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Last Edited: 3/8/2017 2:25:13 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 12:52:56 PM  Wow..just..wow. Weathers with 22 first place votes and Jason just 11. So being the best freshman on an awful team is more important than replacing the MAC Player of the Year and averaging 14 points and 8 rebounds per game in a league LOADED with very good big guys. Jason went up against Taylor, Maric, Big Dog, Hall...list goes on...and battled. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,442 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:09:12 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: Wow..just..wow. Weathers with 22 first place votes and Jason just 11. So being the best freshman on an awful team is more important than replacing the MAC Player of the Year and averaging 14 points and 8 rebounds per game in a league LOADED with very good big guys. Jason went up against Taylor, Maric, Big Dog, Hall...list goes on...and battled. You make good arguments and I don't disagree with you and said similar things yesterday. Still it's hard to vote against Weathers' production. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:17:25 PM  Additionally, Weathers is pretty much the best overall player on a bad team. It makes him stand out. I'll take Carter every day and twice on Saturday. He'll be a great player for Ohio. This award, or the lack of it for him, can only serve as motivation. I'd guess he's not even put much thought into it. He just impresses me as that kind of person. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:46:43 PM  OU_Country wrote: Additionally, Weathers is pretty much the best overall player on a bad team. It makes him stand out. I'll take Carter every day and twice on Saturday. He'll be a great player for Ohio. This award, or the lack of it for him, can only serve as motivation. I'd guess he's not even put much thought into it. He just impresses me as that kind of person. I know. The kid is more big picture than award driven. If Tone doesn't go down he doesn't even get this chance to shine like this anyways so we need to appreciate that he hopefully will continue to do damage over the next SEVERAL games. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,218 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:50:17 PM  Both are good players but it's tough to argue with this performance: Weathers was a consistent performer all season for Miami. He averaged 16.7 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.4 blocks and 1.9 steals per contest in 32 games this season. He led the RedHawks in each of those categories except rebounds, where he was third. He had nine 20+ points games this year with a high of 31 points against NKU (Nov. 20). His ability to drive to the basket resulted in a massive amount of free throw attempts. Weathers finished 160-for-206 from the charity stripe. His total free throw made ranks 32nd and his total attempts rank 33rd in the nation. Weathers also ranks 49th in the country with 60 total steals. Last Edited: 3/7/2017 1:55:32 PM by Alan Swank Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,468 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:52:08 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Both are good players but it's tough to argue with the: Weathers was a consistent performer all season for Miami. He averaged 16.7 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.4 blocks and 1.9 steals per contest in 32 games this season. He led the RedHawks in each of those categories except rebounds, where he was third. He had nine 20+ points games this year with a high of 31 points against NKU (Nov. 20). His ability to drive to the basket resulted in a massive amount of free throw attempts. Weathers finished 160-for-206 from the charity stripe. His total free throw made ranks 32nd and his total attempts rank 33rd in the nation. Weathers also ranks 49th in the country with 60 total steals. That's all good and you can't take these stats out of the voters minds, but aren't they supposed to be voting based on conference performance only? Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,836 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 1:58:15 PM  OU_Country wrote: Additionally, Weathers is pretty much the best overall player on a bad team. It makes him stand out. I'll take Carter every day and twice on Saturday. He'll be a great player for Ohio. This award, or the lack of it for him, can only serve as motivation. I'd guess he's not even put much thought into it. He just impresses me as that kind of person. agree completely. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 2:53:30 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: Wow..just..wow. Weathers with 22 first place votes and Jason just 11. So being the best freshman on an awful team is more important than replacing the MAC Player of the Year and averaging 14 points and 8 rebounds per game in a league LOADED with very good big guys. Jason went up against Taylor, Maric, Big Dog, Hall...list goes on...and battled. The league has quite a few good guards as well. And as tough as Jason's task was I think being asked to run the point as a freshman for an inexperienced team is tougher. I wouldn't have argued if Jason had received the award but I fully understand why Weathers did. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,812 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 2:54:37 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Both are good players but it's tough to argue with the: Weathers was a consistent performer all season for Miami. He averaged 16.7 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.4 blocks and 1.9 steals per contest in 32 games this season. He led the RedHawks in each of those categories except rebounds, where he was third. He had nine 20+ points games this year with a high of 31 points against NKU (Nov. 20). His ability to drive to the basket resulted in a massive amount of free throw attempts. Weathers finished 160-for-206 from the charity stripe. His total free throw made ranks 32nd and his total attempts rank 33rd in the nation. Weathers also ranks 49th in the country with 60 total steals. That's all good and you can't take these stats out of the voters minds, but aren't they supposed to be voting based on conference performance only? No, I don't think that is the case. I think it's up to all voters to decide what they think is important. Some may throw out the non-conference performances altogether, and most I'm sure weight league performance much heavier in their minds, but I'd guess most people look at the whole season in some way. Even if you do look at just MAC games, Carter averaged 12.7 points, 8.0 rebounds, shot 51.8 percent. Weathers averaged 14.9 points, 4.6 assists, 1.8 steals, 1.2 blocks, 3.6 rebounds. Weathers wasn't just Miami's best player, he was just about their best everything: scorer, passer, defender, shot blocker. If Carter would have had his opportunity sooner, he might have pulled it out, and I certainly can see him being the better player in the long run, but I understand why Weathers won this award. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,442 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 2:56:41 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Both are good players but it's tough to argue with the: Weathers was a consistent performer all season for Miami. He averaged 16.7 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.4 blocks and 1.9 steals per contest in 32 games this season. He led the RedHawks in each of those categories except rebounds, where he was third. He had nine 20+ points games this year with a high of 31 points against NKU (Nov. 20). His ability to drive to the basket resulted in a massive amount of free throw attempts. Weathers finished 160-for-206 from the charity stripe. His total free throw made ranks 32nd and his total attempts rank 33rd in the nation. Weathers also ranks 49th in the country with 60 total steals. That's all good and you can't take these stats out of the voters minds, but aren't they supposed to be voting based on conference performance only? Like Andrew said to me yesterday, you're using logic and reasoning. Something they don't do. Back to Top OUs LONG Driver General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Copley, OH Post Count: 677 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/7/2017 8:56:30 PM  Weathers also was #3 in the country in turnovers at 4.56 per game. Keene was 4th at 4.53 Jaaron was 11th at 3.93. All high usage players. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/8/2017 1:36:03 PM  Isaiah Johnson and Keith Dambrot take home the POTY and COTY awards respectively. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/8/2017 2:06:48 PM  OUVan wrote: Isaiah Johnson and Keith Dambrot take home the POTY and COTY awards respectively. Frankly, I think it's criminal that Jumbo Dog is POTY. Blake Hamilton is far and away a better player than him, and it's not even close. The MAC voters should be embarrassed. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,442 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/8/2017 2:24:40 PM  Hamilton wasn't even included in the voting. http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2017/03... Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: Freshman of the Year, Defensive POY and 6th Man announced    Posted: 3/8/2017 2:36:51 PM  OU_Country wrote: OUVan wrote: Isaiah Johnson and Keith Dambrot take home the POTY and COTY awards respectively. Frankly, I think it's criminal that Jumbo Dog is POTY. Blake Hamilton is far and away a better player than him, and it's not even close. The MAC voters should be embarrassed. When I look at Players of the Year certain criteria have to be met. 1. Are they the best player on their own team? 2. What did they do against top competition? 3. What is their skillset? Stats? 4. If I was starting a team, would they be in my top 2 picks? 1. I think Cheatham is the best player on Kron. 2. Not sure on this one..just know that he did well against us but wasn't otherworldly. 3. Back people down. Solid post passer out of double teams. That's it. 4. Starting a team from MAC players: 1. Blake Hamilton. 2. Jaaron Simmons. 3. Jimmy Hall. 4. Marcus Keene. 5. Thomas Wilder. 6. James Thompson. 7. Tayler Pearsons. 8. Isaiah Johnson. (and I'm not so sure I wouldn't go with Maric, Cheatham or even Rayson before him). Last Edited: 3/8/2017 2:38:26 PM by Bobcat1998 Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 16  of 16 Posts Jump to Page:   1 View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 182 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 182 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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