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FIRST TEAM Jaaron Simmons Marcus Keene Isaiah Johnson James Thompson Jimmy Hall SECOND TEAM Thomas Wilder Blake Hamilton Johnathan Williams Tayler Persons Marin Maric THIRD TEAM Braylon Rayson Zack Denny Jordan Dartis Michael Weathers Nick Perkins POY: Isaiah Johnson (should be Jaaron) COY: Saul Phillips ROY: Weathers (should be Jason Carter) DPOY: Who knows? SIXTH MAN: Mike Laster Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 4:37:25 PM  My opinions... I think there are 6 worthy first teamers for 5 spots. I honestly think Hamilton is Probably the best all around player in,the MAC. Just had to leave someone off. Wouldn't be surprised to see Taylor or Cheatem end up higher too. FIRST TEAM Jaaron Simmons, Ohio Marcus Keene, CMU Thomas Wilder, WMU Isaiah Johnson, Akron Jimmy Hall, Kent St. SECOND TEAM Johnathan Williams, UT Braylon Rayson, CMU James Thompson, EMU Blake Hamilton, UB Steve Taylor, UT THIRD TEAM Tayler Persons, Ball St. Willie Mangum, EMU Kwan Cheatham, Akron Franko House, Ball St. Marin Marci, NIU POY: Isaiah Johnson, Akron COY: Keith Dambrot, Akron (I'd like to see Saul win but think they'll give it to Dambrot) ROY: Jason Carter, Ohio DPOY: Tim Bond, EMU SIXTH MAN: Mike Laster (not sure who from other teams qualifies) Last Edited: 3/5/2017 4:38:17 PM by Eagle66 Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,926 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 5:33:57 PM  First Team: Jaaron Simmons - Ohio Marcus Keene - CMU Blake Hamilton - Buffalo Jimmy Hall - Kent State Isaiah Johnson - Akron Second Team: Thomas Wilder - WMU Jonathan Williams - Toledo Taylor Pearsons - Ball State James Thompson - EMU Steve Taylor - Toledo Third Team: Braylon Rayson - CMU Michael Weathers - Miami Ray Lee - EMU Kwan Cheatham - Akron Marin Maric - NIU Freshman Team: Michael Weathers - Miami Eugene German - NIU Reggie Jones - WMU Jason Carter - Ohio Luke Knapke - Toledo POY: Jimmy Hall - Kent COY: Saul Phillips - Ohio DPOY: Tim Bond - EMU Freshman: Jason Carter - Ohio 6th Man: Josh Williams - Akron Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 6:05:02 PM  Cheatham and House are goos ones. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,417 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 6:34:47 PM  Love what JS has brought to our team past two years but would not be surprised if WMU's Wilder makes first team over JS. Can't go wrong with either one (if only one point guard on first team). Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 7:00:00 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Love what JS has brought to our team past two years but would not be surprised if WMU's Wilder makes first team over JS. Can't go wrong with either one (if only one point guard on first team). I would think JS is an absolute lock! Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,213 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/5/2017 9:14:49 PM  I think there is a bit of bias here, especially in regards to Simmons. To think he deserves POY is a big big stretch. Keep in mind most of these voters rely heavily on stats and standings. Simmons struggled quite a bit early on and never found the consistency he had last year. All of his numbers are down but especially his shooting percentage (all types). His assist are still far and away tops but are nearly 1.5 off of last year while his turnovers are up. And he only made 2nd team last year despite a much better year statistically. I think he ends up on the 2nd team again. I also think that even though we all believe Jason Carter will have the better career and is the more dangerous player...Michael Weathers is the heavy favorite to win the freshman of the year. 7th in scoring, 4th in assists, 4th in steals, and even 1st in blocked shots somehow. Yes, Carter filled up the stat sheet during conference play when he became a regular, but these voters are too stupid to use logic and reasoning. And although I'd like to see Carter, I'm not sure I can get upset about Weathers winning it. I'm not sure Dartis is able to crack the 3rd team, statistically he is a great 3 point shooting but not much else (again, I'm speaking strictly statistically). I do think Saul has a good shot at coach of the year, with it being just his 3rd season and recovering from the Campbell injury. The coach often goes to most improved teams or those who overcame some type of adversity, rather than just the coach of the best team. Had Akron closed things out a bit smoother and finished 16-2 or something they would have went Dambrot but I think they'll be looking to give it to someone else, and Saul will be the best "other" candidate. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 8:37:29 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: I think there is a bit of bias here, especially in regards to Simmons. To think he deserves POY is a big big stretch. Keep in mind most of these voters rely heavily on stats and standings. Simmons struggled quite a bit early on and never found the consistency he had last year. All of his numbers are down but especially his shooting percentage (all types). His assist are still far and away tops but are nearly 1.5 off of last year while his turnovers are up. And he only made 2nd team last year despite a much better year statistically. I think he ends up on the 2nd team again. I also think that even though we all believe Jason Carter will have the better career and is the more dangerous player...Michael Weathers is the heavy favorite to win the freshman of the year. 7th in scoring, 4th in assists, 4th in steals, and even 1st in blocked shots somehow. Yes, Carter filled up the stat sheet during conference play when he became a regular, but these voters are too stupid to use logic and reasoning. And although I'd like to see Carter, I'm not sure I can get upset about Weathers winning it. There were a few threads on the the MAC board about the awards. I found it interesting how many fans from other schools had Jaaron on first team. I could see 6 people I think should be first team with another 1 or 2 who could have an argument made for them. I'm sure some of the opinions in the older thread changed, I know mine did. http://csnbbs.com/thread-810435.html http://csnbbs.com/thread-809348.html I agree with you re: Carter. I wouldn't be upset if Weathers won. Call it wishful thinking but I'm hoping his late surge coupled with Weathers' play down the stretch make it a lot closer. (My impression without looking at stats was he tailed off) Last Edited: 3/6/2017 9:08:50 AM by Eagle66 Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 10:14:30 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: I think there is a bit of bias here, especially in regards to Simmons. To think he deserves POY is a big big stretch. Keep in mind most of these voters rely heavily on stats and standings. Simmons struggled quite a bit early on and never found the consistency he had last year. All of his numbers are down but especially his shooting percentage (all types). His assist are still far and away tops but are nearly 1.5 off of last year while his turnovers are up. And he only made 2nd team last year despite a much better year statistically. I think he ends up on the 2nd team again. I'm not sure the voters would notice how inconsistent he was compared to last year though. His struggles are something you only really would notice if you are watching every game IMO. His overall numbers (19.6 ppg, 6.2 apg) since Tony went down look pretty darn good and he will get credit for righting our ship and leading us to the #2 seed. That being said it wouldn't shock me to see him on the 2nd team. I see 8 players who realistically could be first teamers without too much complaint. Jaaron Simmons Blake Hamilton Marcus Keene Isaiah Johnson Jimmy Hall Steve Taylor Thomas Wilder James Thompson I think Isaiah Johnson gets POTY but I don't think he deserves it. He's a one trick pony on offense. A month ago I thought it would be Keene but they have lost 7 straight since they played us and he's only hit his scoring average twice in those ten games. I'm coming around to the Blake Hamilton camp after watching the way he has played in the 2nd half of the season. It wouldn't shock me to see the 1st team be: Blake Hamilton Marcus Keene Isaiah Johnson Jimmy Hall Thomas Wilder Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,442 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 10:43:35 AM  I think it's gonna be hard for the league to justify not giving the POTY award to a guy who not only leads the conference in scoring, but leads the nation in scoring by a pretty wide margin (4.4 points) and also is almost averaging 30 points a game...something that hasn't been done in 20 years of college basketball. The league will probably give it to Johnson, though I don't think he should win it either. He and Keene are almost guaranteed First Team. Everyone else is a coin flip. Bias or not, I think Jason should win FOTY. Had Jason been expected to play the same minutes Weathers has for the entire season, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Not only has he filled in for the reigning MAC POTY, he's done it admirably and he's helped the team win. Weathers stuffing the stat sheet on a crappy team shouldn't automatically warrant an award. Last Edited: 3/6/2017 10:49:58 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 10:58:08 AM  As long as Johnson isn't given POY, I'm good with a lot of the other arguments on here for 1st/2nd team. Isaiah isn't even the best, and most important player on his own team. If I were giving the award, I'd give it to Blake Hamilton. He's the best multi-dimensional player in the MAC, who's averaging nearly 18ppg, 5apg, and 6 boards. And he can defend 3-4 positions on the court. 3-4 weeks ago, I though it was Marcus Keene, hands down. But they've lost a ton of games lately, which hurts his case. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,213 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 12:56:57 PM  You guys are introducing logic, reason, and detailed analysis into this. To get inside the average MAC Awards voters' head, you must eliminate all those things and simply spend 10 minutes looking at the standings and stat leaders on the internet before placing your votes. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Roasting Joe General User Member Since: 10/17/2015 Location: Chillicothe, OH Post Count: 59 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:19:32 PM  Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think non-conferences stats apply. If thats true, please see MAC only stats and may shed some light on things. I do believe Jason Carter makes a strong case for Freshman of the year, 26th in points per game, 7th in rebounding, 15th in field goal percentage. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Weathers wins in though. Please note when looking at stats, Micheal Weathers brother Marcus shows up as well ( field goal %, rebounds). http://www.mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2017MBB/CONFO... Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:24:22 PM  Roasting Joe wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think non-conferences stats apply. If thats true, please see MAC only stats and may shed some light on things. I do believe Jason Carter makes a strong case for Freshman of the year, 26th in points per game, 7th in rebounding, 15th in field goal percentage. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Weathers wins in though. Please note when looking at stats, Micheal Weathers brother Marcus shows up as well ( field goal %, rebounds). http://www.mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2017MBB/CONFO... I don't think there are any guidlines for the voters as to which stats to use, but I could be wrong. All-MAC was announced today. Looks like the Freshman of the year and Defensive Player of the year will be announced tomorrow. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:44:03 PM  Eagle66 wrote: FIRST TEAM Jaaron Simmons, Ohio Marcus Keene, CMU Thomas Wilder, WMU Isaiah Johnson, Akron Jimmy Hall, Kent St. Ding ding ding ding... we have a winner Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,213 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:47:21 PM  Roasting Joe wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think non-conferences stats apply. If thats true, please see MAC only stats and may shed some light on things. I do believe Jason Carter makes a strong case for Freshman of the year, 26th in points per game, 7th in rebounding, 15th in field goal percentage. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Weathers wins in though. Please note when looking at stats, Micheal Weathers brother Marcus shows up as well ( field goal %, rebounds). http://www.mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2017MBB/CONFO... That is untrue, it is all up to interpretation of the voters and my impression is they look at season stats. I am aware his brother shows up but all the stats I cited are for Michael. I had to triple check the blocked shots one because that really surprised me. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Roasting Joe General User Member Since: 10/17/2015 Location: Chillicothe, OH Post Count: 59 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:54:26 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Roasting Joe wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think non-conferences stats apply. If thats true, please see MAC only stats and may shed some light on things. I do believe Jason Carter makes a strong case for Freshman of the year, 26th in points per game, 7th in rebounding, 15th in field goal percentage. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Weathers wins in though. Please note when looking at stats, Micheal Weathers brother Marcus shows up as well ( field goal %, rebounds). http://www.mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2017MBB/CONFO... That is untrue, it is all up to interpretation of the voters and my impression is they look at season stats. I am aware his brother shows up but all the stats I cited are for Michael. I had to triple check the blocked shots one because that really surprised me. Andrew, thanks for the clarification. The blocked shots surprised me also. I have only watched him play twice and he does have quick hands and could see him getting some blocks, especially 3 point attempts. If they look at the whole season to determine Freshman of the year, then Micheal Weathers is the clear choice. Back to Top Roasting Joe General User Member Since: 10/17/2015 Location: Chillicothe, OH Post Count: 59 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 2:59:18 PM  Eagle66 wrote: Roasting Joe wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think non-conferences stats apply. If thats true, please see MAC only stats and may shed some light on things. I do believe Jason Carter makes a strong case for Freshman of the year, 26th in points per game, 7th in rebounding, 15th in field goal percentage. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael Weathers wins in though. Please note when looking at stats, Micheal Weathers brother Marcus shows up as well ( field goal %, rebounds). http://www.mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2017MBB/CONFO... I don't think there are any guidlines for the voters as to which stats to use, but I could be wrong. All-MAC was announced today. Looks like the Freshman of the year and Defensive Player of the year will be announced tomorrow. Well, I was ASSuming and you know what that means! Thanks for the correction. Back to Top Eagle66 General User Member Since: 3/13/2005 Post Count: 1,329 Status: Offline     RE: MAC Awards    Posted: 3/6/2017 7:57:22 PM  George Thomas (Akrons beat writer) revealed his ballot... POY: Isaiah Johnson COY: Saul Phillips FOY: Jason Carter http://www.ohio.com/sports/zips/george-thomas-zips-center... 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