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D.A.
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2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 9:27:30 AM

Some have seen this on the MAC board, thought the board here would benefit from seeing the MAC field: (of 348 teams in D1)

122) Ohio University-Main Campus 3,101,150
123) University of Akron Main Campus 3,088,920
162) Bowling Green State University-Main Campus 2,389,470
163) University of Toledo 2,340,047
166) Miami University-Oxford 2,329,719
179) Western Michigan University 2,183,818
184) Kent State University at Kent 2,152,644
191) University at Buffalo 2,054,470
194) Eastern Michigan University 2,031,759
200) Ball State University 1,905,730
204) Northern Illinois University 1,880,733
240) Central Michigan University 1,646,267

The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats!

And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

"This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 9:50:21 AM

The most relevant number is the one to the left of each school�s name. Statistically it mirrors how we as a conference stand on a national level in performance.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:01:58 AM

If, say, our budget were bumped up by $1 million annually, how would that change the program? Our facilities are pretty nice, we likely wouldn't change coaching, and we don't pay players, so how would that improve the program? I'm not asking this flippantly, I truly don't understand the direct correlation between a bigger budget and a better product in college sports.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:22:01 AM

OUVan wrote:

The most relevant number is the one to the left of each school�s name. Statistically it mirrors how we as a conference stand on a national level in performance.

Yeah I'm interested to see how far behind we are compared to some others on the national list and what it would take (how much $) to get to that level.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:22:40 AM

There IS a direct correlation. It's uncanny how those numbers mirror Sagarin, Kenpom, RPI.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:25:07 AM

Just went and got it myself

Post: #1Division 1 Basketball Budgets
Men�s NCAA College Basketball Budgets 2015-16 ($$$ as per the US Department of Education)
1) University of Kentucky 18,910,412
2) University of Louisville 17,900,031
3) Duke University 17,890,632
4) Syracuse University 13,876,720
5) Indiana University-Bloomington 12,129,479
6) University of Arizona 11,761,006
7) Florida State University 11,730,040
8) University of Kansas 11,636,720
9) Georgetown University 11,343,826
10) Marquette University 11,308,266
11) Texas Christian University 11,256,999
12) University of Memphis 11,226,419
13) University of Oklahoma-Norman Campus 10,582,714
14) Michigan State University 10,432,557
15) The University of Texas at Austin 10,271,419
16) University of Wisconsin-Madison 9,834,445
17) University of Connecticut 9,516,308
18) Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 9,478,661
19) Villanova University 9,447,198
20) West Virginia University 9,322,717
21) Texas A & M University-College Station 9,301,170
22) St John's University-New York 9,167,279
23) Ohio State University-Main Campus 9,142,079
24) University of California-Los Angeles 9,032,540
25) University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 8,920,109
26) Baylor University 8,837,724
27) Auburn University 8,821,985
28) University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus 8,799,110
29) North Carolina State University at Raleigh 8,714,435
30) University of Arkansas 8,702,745
31) University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 8,667,111
32) University of California-Berkeley 8,658,628
33) University of Virginia-Main Campus 8,644,445
34) The University of Alabama 8,577,428
35) Vanderbilt University 8,181,142
36) University of Minnesota-Twin Cities 8,156,541
37) University of Utah 8,053,466
38) Providence College 7,907,240
39) University of Oregon 7,785,909
40) Wake Forest University 7,647,068
41) University of Maryland-College Park 7,622,707
42) Oklahoma State University-Main Campus 7,478,661
43) University of Cincinnati-Main Campus 7,421,986
44) Texas Tech University 7,348,405
45) University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 7,341,910
46) University of Nebraska-Lincoln 7,329,386
47) Creighton University 7,264,599
48) Gonzaga University 7,261,657
49) Purdue University-Main Campus 7,243,691
50) University of Iowa 7,218,539
51) University of Mississippi 7,127,529
52) University of Miami 7,118,296
53) Southern Methodist University 7,086,547
54) University of South Carolina-Columbia 7,080,820
55) The University of Tennessee-Knoxville 6,989,935
56) Wichita State University 6,920,933
57) Iowa State University 6,885,453
58) University of Notre Dame 6,816,663
59) Kansas State University 6,772,157
60) Northwestern University 6,771,619
61) University of Florida 6,718,902
62) University of Washington-Seattle Campus 6,453,983
63) Saint Louis University 6,414,061
64) Clemson University 6,403,541
65) University of Georgia 6,338,487
66) Georgia Institute of Technology-Main Campus 6,329,728
67) Louisiana State University and Agricultural & Mechanical College 6,325,362
68) Seton Hall University 6,264,583
69) Arizona State University-Tempe 6,199,000
70) University of Tulsa 6,174,244
71) Rutgers University-New Brunswick 6,147,089
72) University of Colorado Boulder 6,138,058
73) Mississippi State University 6,111,629
74) Brigham Young University-Provo 6,081,807
75) Boston College 6,024,594
76) University of Houston 6,023,125
77) University of Missouri-Columbia 5,963,284
78) Temple University 5,920,903
79) San Diego State University 5,734,713
80) Stanford University 5,727,840
81) Xavier University 5,710,021
82) Virginia Commonwealth University 5,676,415
83) Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus 5,658,177
84) DePaul University 5,569,062
85) Oregon State University 5,498,174
86) University of Nevada-Las Vegas 5,386,263
87) University of Southern California 5,266,779
88) Washington State University 5,118,153
89) University of Dayton 5,000,454
90) University of Richmond 4,849,596
91) Butler University 4,833,565
92) University of South Florida-Main Campus 4,711,026
93) Grand Canyon University 4,306,041
94) University of Rhode Island 4,286,329
95) Colorado State University-Fort Collins 4,264,867
96) Duquesne University 4,229,922
97) Saint Joseph's University 4,208,092
98) University of San Francisco 4,205,606
99) University of Alabama at Birmingham 4,189,826
100) Fordham University 4,126,729
101) University of Massachusetts-Amherst 4,064,482
102) Tulane University of Louisiana 3,987,379
103) University of New Mexico-Main Campus 3,736,179
104) Liberty University 3,720,371
105) University of Wyoming 3,702,699
106) The University of Texas at El Paso 3,623,777
107) Old Dominion University 3,583,117
108) University of Portland 3,570,559
109) Loyola Marymount University 3,533,468
110) James Madison University 3,483,621
111) Rice University 3,427,660
112) Seattle University 3,413,715
113) Utah State University 3,363,296
114) University of Denver 3,361,111
115) Santa Clara University 3,345,588
116) George Mason University 3,342,681
117) University of North Carolina at Charlotte 3,280,507
118) California State University-Fresno 3,234,934
119) East Carolina University 3,187,963
120) University of Central Florida 3,166,282
121) Bradley University 3,128,419
122) Ohio University-Main Campus 3,101,150
123) University of Akron Main Campus 3,088,920
124) Siena College 3,083,128
125) New Mexico State University-Main Campus 3,003,045
126) Saint Mary's College of California 2,956,340
127) Belmont University 2,951,040
128) La Salle University 2,946,555
129) St Bonaventure University 2,917,071
130) George Washington University 2,915,197
131) Northeastern University 2,913,795
132) University of Northern Iowa 2,899,699
133) University of Evansville 2,899,667
134) University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 2,877,237
135) University of California-Irvine 2,825,452
136) University of Hawaii at Manoa 2,813,078
137) Davidson College 2,799,370
138) Western Kentucky University 2,759,058
139) Loyola University Chicago 2,745,553
140) Oral Roberts University 2,741,483
141) Middle Tennessee State University 2,726,526
142) California State University-Long Beach 2,717,429
143) Valparaiso University 2,666,213
144) Drexel University 2,618,412
145) Florida Atlantic University 2,598,852
146) Fairfield University 2,590,915
147) Pepperdine University 2,561,072
148) University of the Pacific 2,558,711
149) Hofstra University 2,545,499
150) Quinnipiac University 2,516,824
151) University of San Diego 2,513,504
152) Boise State University 2,503,447
153) Drake University 2,472,212
154) University of Detroit Mercy 2,467,735
155) University of California-Santa Barbara 2,453,112
156) Illinois State University 2,452,961
157) Wright State University-Main Campus 2,445,427
158) Louisiana Tech University 2,443,159
159) Stony Brook University 2,435,574
160) University of North Texas 2,433,472
161) College of the Holy Cross 2,403,572
162) Bowling Green State University-Main Campus 2,389,470
163) University of Toledo 2,340,047
164) Marshall University 2,333,564
165) University of Louisiana at Lafayette 2,332,684
166) Miami University-Oxford 2,329,719
167) University of Delaware 2,328,346
168) Iona College 2,308,176
169) University of Nevada-Reno 2,288,942
170) University of Arkansas at Little Rock 2,283,345
171) Missouri State University-Springfield 2,279,917
172) Georgia State University 2,261,334
173) University of Hartford 2,257,904
174) University of North Carolina Wilmington 2,257,718
175) Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 2,241,413
176) University of Illinois at Chicago 2,231,609
177) Murray State University 2,218,712
178) Stephen F Austin State University 2,188,109
179) Western Michigan University 2,183,818
180) College of Charleston 2,180,876
181) Furman University 2,179,662
182) Bucknell University 2,172,546
183) Cleveland State University 2,172,463
184) Kent State University at Kent 2,152,644
185) Oakland University 2,111,833
186) Elon University 2,099,972
187) Manhattan College 2,097,510
188) California Polytechnic State University-San Luis Obispo 2,095,472
189) Boston University 2,093,165
190) California State University-Northridge 2,060,900
191) University at Buffalo 2,054,470
192) Monmouth University 2,054,441
193) Loyola University Maryland 2,048,853
194) Eastern Michigan University 2,031,759
195) Canisius College 2,027,506
196) Towson University 2,016,322
197) Robert Morris University 1,962,797
198) College of William and Mary 1,939,344
199) American University 1,934,639
200) Ball State University 1,905,730
201) Eastern Kentucky University 1,898,072
202) Mercer University 1,883,578
203) Coastal Carolina University 1,882,982
204) Northern Illinois University 1,880,733
205) Marist College 1,865,144
206) University of California-Davis 1,862,783
207) San Jose State University 1,851,101
208) Indiana State University 1,832,975
209) Texas State University 1,824,046
210) New Jersey Institute of Technology 1,823,046
211) University of Idaho 1,821,491
212) Colgate University 1,821,178
213) Samford University 1,821,098
214) East Tennessee State University 1,818,542
215) Lafayette College 1,816,334
216) University of Missouri-Kansas City 1,815,762
217) University of Southern Mississippi 1,808,186
218) LIU Brooklyn 1,805,546
219) Weber State University 1,799,880
220) Bryant University 1,796,753
221) The University of Tennessee-Chattanooga 1,793,638
222) The University of Texas at San Antonio 1,791,403
223) University of Wisconsin-Green Bay 1,776,757
224) Rider University 1,774,910
225) Florida International University 1,773,317
226) Lipscomb University 1,756,611
227) University of South Alabama 1,754,970
228) North Carolina Central University 1,752,803
229) High Point University 1,747,761
230) Florida Gulf Coast University 1,723,011
231) California State University-Bakersfield 1,697,054
232) Fairleigh Dickinson University-Metropolitan Campus 1,695,086
233) Mount St Mary's University 1,687,798
234) Howard University 1,682,347
235) University of California-Riverside 1,680,520
236) Texas A & M University-Corpus Christi 1,680,402
237) Montana State University 1,679,625
238) The University of Montana 1,678,354
239) Jacksonville University 1,653,294
240) Central Michigan University 1,646,267
241) Stetson University 1,623,909
242) Northern Kentucky University 1,623,294
243) Niagara University 1,622,963
244) SUNY at Albany 1,621,247
245) Northern Arizona University 1,611,995
246) Wagner College 1,597,445
247) SUNY at Binghamton 1,590,639
248) Appalachian State University 1,588,454
249) Campbell University 1,581,464
250) University of Vermont 1,579,502
251) University of North Dakota 1,579,108
252) Eastern Washington University 1,564,917
253) Indiana University-Purdue University-Indianapolis 1,564,479
254) The University of Texas at Arlington 1,549,654
255) University of Pennsylvania 1,546,923
256) University of North Florida 1,538,518
257) University of New Hampshire-Main Campus 1,534,596
258) Saint Francis University 1,529,048
259) Citadel Military College of South Carolina 1,527,117
260) Delaware State University 1,521,971
261) Central Connecticut State University 1,511,666
262) University of North Carolina at Greensboro 1,506,556
263) Wofford College 1,506,228
264) University of Massachusetts-Lowell 1,506,032
265) Gardner-Webb University 1,505,676
266) Morehead State University 1,495,716
267) Columbia University in the City of New York 1,494,045
268) University of Northern Colorado 1,490,726
269) University of Maryland-Baltimore County 1,485,381
270) Lehigh University 1,482,439
271) California State University-Fullerton 1,480,600
272) Longwood University 1,466,648
273) Charleston Southern University 1,458,792
274) South Dakota State University 1,443,001
275) Kennesaw State University 1,435,160
276) California State University-Sacramento 1,433,424
277) Sacred Heart University 1,431,536
278) North Dakota State University-Main Campus 1,417,450
279) St Francis College 1,410,698
280) The University of Texas Rio Grande Valley 1,404,530
281) Texas Southern University 1,400,553
282) Arkansas State University-Main Campus 1,389,844
283) Saint Peter's University 1,387,927
284) Dartmouth College 1,386,651
285) Lamar University 1,377,911
286) Morgan State University 1,363,395
287) Georgia Southern University 1,361,765
288) Troy University 1,355,678
289) North Carolina A & T State University 1,355,182
290) Youngstown State University 1,347,141
291) The University of Tennessee-Martin 1,340,126
292) University of Maine 1,328,389
293) Radford University 1,327,458
294) Virginia Military Institute 1,322,136
295) Tennessee State University 1,312,549
296) Austin Peay State University 1,304,155
297) Winthrop University 1,303,194
298) Harvard University 1,296,186
299) Idaho State University 1,290,851
300) University of Nebraska at Omaha 1,288,481
301) Portland State University 1,284,182
302) Houston Baptist University 1,273,000
303) Indiana University-Purdue University-Fort Wayne 1,269,206
304) Western Illinois University 1,238,197
305) Yale University 1,229,771
306) Presbyterian College 1,215,955
307) Bethune-Cookman University 1,203,595
308) Tennessee Technological University 1,201,935
309) Southeast Missouri State University 1,192,809
310) University of the Incarnate Word 1,180,488
311) Norfolk State University 1,170,179
312) University of Louisiana at Monroe 1,157,908
313) University of South Dakota 1,156,551
314) Hampton University 1,154,030
315) University of Maryland Eastern Shore 1,135,732
316) Princeton University 1,117,914
317) Utah Valley University 1,116,338
318) Jacksonville State University 1,111,582
319) Southern Utah University 1,111,575
320) Abilene Christian University 1,109,152
321) University of Central Arkansas 1,095,560
322) Sam Houston State University 1,087,458
323) Western Carolina University 1,082,372
324) Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University 1,068,173
325) Brown University 1,044,289
326) Eastern Illinois University 1,040,415
327) Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville 1,025,625
328) Northwestern State University of Louisiana 1,023,827
329) University of South Carolina-Upstate 987,517
330) Southeastern Louisiana University 978,939
331) University of New Orleans 954,002
332) University of North Carolina at Asheville 934,569
333) Prairie View A & M University 910,637
334) Southern University and A & M College 883,227
335) Alabama State University 859,867
336) McNeese State University 819,396
337) Alabama A & M University 817,868
338) South Carolina State University 806,005
339) Cornell University 792,795
340) Savannah State University 752,761
341) Coppin State University 738,712
342) Nicholls State University 697,767
343) Chicago State University 681,728
344) Grambling State University 678,446
345) Alcorn State University 629,683
346) Jackson State University 619,321
347) University of Arkansas at Pine Bluff 507,962
348) Mississippi Valley State University 505,795

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:53:03 AM

finnOhio wrote:

It's an interesting question as to what about the budget actually makes a program more successful. But it looks like it would take a lot more than $1 million to make a difference. That much would only put Ohio up to about 100th. The budget would have to double to be on par even with the top mid-major programs or the average high-major teams.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:59:57 AM

I would say the budgets directly correlate to recruiting and the expenses it takes to scout players in person and court them from all over the country. I would say we are probably relegated to area ties (Wisconsin) and driving distance for recruiting at the moment.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 11:32:05 AM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

finnOhio wrote:

An extra $1 million puts Ohio on par with some A-10 programs. That's a good place to start.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 11:44:34 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Just went and got it myself

Post: #1Division 1 Basketball Budgets
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Akron really increased spending a lot since the last time I looked at these numbers a couple years ago. In fact, most of the MAC has. If I am recalling correct, Ohio was about where there are now, Akron was between 2 and 2.5 million and the rest of the MAC was between 1.5 and 2. Now most of the MAC is where Akron was and Akron is where Ohio was.

(Mil) NCAA MAC
>10 15 0
7-10 39 0
5-7 35 0
4-5 12 0
3-4 24 2
2.5-3 27 0
2-2.5 44 7
1.5-2 69 3
1-1.5 63 0
.5-1 20 0
Grand 348 12

It's interesting looking at in grouped. A lot of schools are spending about $1 mil less than Ohio but not that many are spending about $1 mil more.

Two other Ohio schools with tournament success and two MAC-Football only schools...
78) Temple University 5,920,903
81) Xavier University 5,710,021
89) University of Dayton 5,000,454
101) University of Massachusetts-Amherst 4,064,482

Last Edited: 4/4/2017 11:48:53 AM by The Optimist

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 12:50:20 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There IS a direct correlation. It's uncanny how those numbers mirror Sagarin, Kenpom, RPI.

Yes and no. UNC and Gonzaga combined spent 16 million which is less than each of the top three teams in spending.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 12:55:08 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There IS a direct correlation. It's uncanny how those numbers mirror Sagarin, Kenpom, RPI.

But is there causation?

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 1:13:14 PM

I posted these same numbers from Dept of Ed (though only for OU/Akron/Duquesne/UD) in the Dambrot to Duquesne thread. It really is interesting to see where we and the MAC rank.

Though my post was summarily dismissed because, in the eyes of Ted, there are no accounting practices therefore the numbers were meaningless (I wholeheartedly disagree - even if they AREN'T accounting book accurate to even +/- $100k - it gives a great quantitative perspective within a couple orders of magnitude).

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 1:53:02 PM

Dexcat wrote:

I think that is where Ted's Accounting principles come into play. That budget is a total but there is a lot that goes into it that is unaccounted in those numbers.

Use of a jet to fly from a U to Michigan and back in an afternoon to watch an open gym courtesy of a booster does not show up as an accounting line item.

Training tables and nutrition in locker rooms, chefs at stations in the practice facilities may or may not be charged back to the program but they exist in P5 situations.

Medical care and training facilites. I donated my time to the local U for years but now there are entities that pay for the advertising benefit and bill the University athletic department for the care. (that is a whole deep discussion)

Tutors, books, tuitions all are included as well as the costs of a bus league vs Flights to and from.

Looking at the list from top to bottom is very interesting and gives you an idea of relative budgets. SOme are getting a pretty good bang for the buck and others are spending a lot and not getting a ton in return. Memphis, G Town, and Marquette have some pretty big budgets....while Dayton and Butler seem to be doing well with what they are spending. It is fascinating to look at these numbers and would be more meaningful to dig down and see where salaries, transportation, food, tuition and what other things are included in the accounting.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 4:49:10 PM

Not to mention the film department recording all the games and downloading into special software. Somebody like Kentucky likely spends over 1M to staff and pay for software. The biggest thing it buys you is one of the best coaches, or it should. It seems to me that 5-6M should be enough to keep it interesting.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 5:02:16 PM

So, is the issue the amount we are spending or is it the amount we are spending compared to our competition/peers? Meaning, if we doubled our budget, but everybody else above us raised their budget by a similar number, would we benefit in any way or would it be the same problem? We'd be able to do more in terms of recruiting trips, upgrades to the program and the such, but we wouldn't be gaining financial ground on those above us.

I wouldn't say that there is necessarily correlation, and would agree that the numbers could be the result of causation. You win more, you pay your coaches more. Thus, your numbers go up. If Saul got a $1 million raise, does he automatically get better players? Does he coach better and win more often?

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 5:09:24 PM

I don't think it has much to do with HC salary at that point. Upgrading your strength, recruiting, nutrition, travel makes a big difference to incoming athletes. Butler kids that started travelling to Wisky-Green Bay on Busses and ended flying to BE schools for games tell a huge story about the difference when you buy em a beer and get em started talking. Putting more money in the HC pocket does not have as much ROI as all the other things that make getting to class, food and other things that get you better athletes.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 5:36:01 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

I think another 1,000,000 could be split among multiple things that would help the program.

Another assistant-like person or two. 'special assistant to the head coach', 'video coordinator' and the half dozen other oddly named positions that really are assistant coaches, but they carry a different title to fit within the rules.

Better travel to games. Bus less, fly more.

Better 'buy' games. Fewer 'payday' games for the sake of only getting paid.

One thing that I think is interesting though, is that we consider Ohio the class of the MAC(or at least I do), the entire athletics budget is middle of the road in the conference.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/4/2017 9:49:12 PM

mcbin wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

Fewer 'payday' games for the sake of only getting paid.

Ohio Basketball has played very few of those games. Especially since TOS. This year, Georgia Tech would have been a payday game. Prior to that, the 13-14 season against OSU? Although, you could argue that IS the kind of game you want to schedule. A lower tier P5 school where you have a chance to win. If you're going to try to schedule for an at-large bid, you probably need a game or two like that on your schedule each year.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 8:44:10 AM

mcbin wrote:

Better travel to games. Bus less, fly more.

A couple years ago when our budget went up, I recall this topic being mentioned as something we'd be spending on. I thought it even came up in one of our coaching search threads as something one of our coaches had specified as something desirable.

I am curious if the numbers back up a positive impact on flying to games rather than busing. Common sense would say that flying to games is more comfortable than a 8 hour road trip so the team is well-rested and would perform better. But maybe that logic doesn't hold up in reality... At the very least, I would imagine being able to tell recruits you fly to most road games would have a positive impact on recruiting over the team that buses to most games.

I think a lot of the other things you mentioned are likely where that extra million goes, and I could see a lot of benefits in those things.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 9:50:07 AM

Pretty sure we had a few more flights this year...CMU EMU or WMU, Buffs and a couple others...if I remember Russ' twitter feed as he so hates flying.

Getting back in a couple hours vs Green Bay to Butler was a huge deal. I remember seeing Zach Hahn at the hospital the morning after a UWGB game. He was becoming an uncle for the first time. Off the 8 hour bus and an hour drive to the hospital from Indy. Just made it ...yeah it is a big deal to fly. Student Athletes can actually get to class.

I remember the one thing that most impressed me was when my son said he had never missed a class he was on campus for in 4 years. Said he had got off the bus plenty of times at dark thirty but had got up and made his 8 oclocks every time. Planes make that a bit easier.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 10:43:44 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

That's a great point. The "student" athlete part certainly seems a lot easier to pull off with flying.

I remember Russ' tweets about his fear of flying. I absolutely hate heights, but planes have never bothered me and I actually love flying. The window separating me from my certain death 30000 feet below has always been my saving grace.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 10:44:16 AM

mcbin wrote:

bornacatfan wrote:

One thing increased budgeting does, and borna kind of alluded to it, is the ease of flying right after a game to go recruit. I can't speak to how Saul & Co. are doing it, but having easy access to a plane when it's necessary makes a difference. It's something that Mick Cronin openly discussed when he talked about his contract extension last spring/summer.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 10:48:32 AM

Akron board has a thread looking at Ohio scheduling under Groce.

When you look at our schedule compared the rest of the MAC, I think it puts these budgets into perspective a bit more... Under Schaus, and as our basketball funding has increased, we've seen "paid to play" games slowly disappear. When you consider that we're buying a lot of home games against low majors and funding that "out of pocket" and consider the rest of the MAC plays more "paid to play" games and uses that to fund their basketball expenses, that pushes us into a little bit different of a spending category.

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RE: 2015-2016 MAC Men's Basketball Budgets

Posted: 4/5/2017 9:29:00 PM

Ted Thompson wrote:

A lower tier P5 school where you have a chance to win. If you're going to try to schedule for an at-large bid, you probably need a game or two like that on your schedule each year.

Totally agree with this part. And what I should have said is we're not forced to do it like Miami seemed to be. GA Tech is perfect, and we got them at the perfect time. But even though it's just one a year or so, I can't help but think of the Kansas/Louisville/Memphis/Pitt games where we were in over our heads (but nearly won UofL). And a bundle of UK ass-kickings.

On scheduling though, in Schaus I trust.

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