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bornacatfan
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dambrodt speaks

Posted: 3/31/2017 7:54:56 PM

https://omny.fm/shows/the-dan-dakich-show/033117-keithdam...

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 3/31/2017 8:57:04 PM

10 minutes and he says some things that are sure to get a snicker and others that are gonna get a rise. It was a good day on the show. Seems amazing to me who comes on our local station. This week we had Crean, Archie, Frank Martin, Holtmann, Dambrodt, Gard and more talking one on one.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-dan-dakich-show

Good downloadable snippets

Good opening the other day about how ridiculous UK fans threats on the life of a Ref and a quick hello from Holtmann on the fly live. https://omny.fm/shows/the-dan-dakich-show/03-29-17-the-da...

Today's visit with Dambrodt was interesting to me in that he talks about the one bid league, a ceiling at Kron,Why football is a resource sucker, why Dukes should be able to win.....

More reason to just do what the Zags do and build it. Screw the league. Just use em.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 3/31/2017 11:52:02 PM

The Akron situation to me just epitomizes the futility of the MAC. Akron misguidedly massively over spends on a football palace thinking that somehow will lead them to some promise land. They did so at the expense of upgrading/replacing a -hithole of a basketball arena which housed a very successful bball program led by a respected,loyal head coach.

What are they left with today? A nationally insignificant heavily in debt perinnerally losing football program with NO end in sight football palace be damned. They also -issed away their bball program and coach that will now have to be rebuilt with no guarantee it will attain the results they accomplished over the past decade still stuck with a -hithole arena.

What it all says to me. MAC football will NEVER be anything but insignificant on the National football stage. IF Akron which seemingly has it all to propell themselves nationally: magnificent stadium, IPF, bigger Metro area to draw fans, accessible by major interstates, close proximity to major city and airport and also a Mall! In spite of all this Akron too finds themselves relegated to playing on November Tues/Weds evenings in front of throngs of "hundreds" and TV audiences that are dwarfed by Golden Girl reruns.

Don't read into this that I'm a football hater, I'm not. I have been a longtime season ticket holder of both football and basketball. I think I'm just a realist. Football is expensive and NO MAC school will EVER buy their way to National prominence. Our football glory year was 1968 where we and THE finished with undefeated regular seasons. THE got the Rose Bowl we got Tangerines. Now nearly FIFTY(50) years later what have we got? Frank, who has raised the program from pathetic to as recently chronicled "consistently mediocre". Not meant to be a jab at Solich, I think he really has done a yeomans job.

Long story short IF national prominence is what you are trying to attain I think pouring massive amounts of money into football programs at MAC type conferences is a fools errand.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/1/2017 10:42:52 AM

The fact the MAC is 1 bid and Akron spent a lot on a football stadium is hardly news. With all the building Akron did 5-10 years ago Dambrot thought he could eventually get a new arena out of the administration. The the disaster of the Ohio Poly era with the school in financial problems says the build up is over. Dambrot sees the writing on the wall and decided to move on. With the lower academic level of that school I think that's the ceiling problem. They aren't going to attract a MVC type player (Jason Carter) the way Ohio is able to do which Kent also offered but Akron he wouldn't give the time of day I bet because of the culture of that school.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/1/2017 11:16:50 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

What it all says to me. MAC football will NEVER be anything but insignificant on the National football stage. IF Akron which seemingly has it all to propell themselves nationally: magnificent stadium, IPF, bigger Metro area to draw fans, accessible by major interstates, close proximity to major city and airport and also a Mall! In spite of all this Akron too finds themselves relegated to playing on November Tues/Weds evenings in front of throngs of "hundreds" and TV audiences that are dwarfed by Golden Girl reruns.

For Ohio the game is to be as nationally competitive as possible. Saul and Solich were brought in because they won on the national stage. I do think the athletic department assesses to what extent they are nationally competitive because you are correct it is a question. Competing in the MAC isn't a question no more than is the sky blue. National competitiveness drives recruiting. There is no desire however to build the athletic department up to $100 million and move to the ACC like Louisville. The athletic department is happy I think with consistency and an big year once in a while (29 win and near elite 8). They've moved prices up just enough to price the fans into season tickets but no further. Keeping attendance high is more important because it makes for atmosphere which is a big recruiting draw since most D1 schools don't have an atmosphere. The whole notion that Ohio if it scrapped football would start paying its basketball coach $5 million per year redirecting resources as at fault because Ohio will never go beyond a minimal nationally competitive wage. Thus it has nothing to do with resources. It has everything to do with mission. Ohio isn't a little school run by a priest. Its a major public school with accountability.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/1/2017 3:53:50 PM

Dang, KD is frank about how good he thinks the MAC isn't in a few of these comments.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 4:06:53 PM

I agree with Borna's comments about Gonzaga. There is an example of a team staying in a far away placed 1 bid league and making it happen. Further, when you look at the numbers, it is not necessarily the finances that separates Gonzaga and Ohio. Our current athletic budget is in the neighborhood of $28.7MM while Gonzaga's is approximately $19.7MM. True, they do not play football but their budget is also about $9MM less than our budget. Do to Gonzaga's location in Spokane, Washington they have to fly their teams to away games. They will pay Mark Few $1,629,030 this year which is way more than what we are paying Saul. However in the grand scheme of things, that is not a lot of $$$ for a MBB HC who has his team playing for the National Championship. Further, Few has been the HC since the late '90s and as recently as 2011 his salary was $922,854.

As for facilities, Gonzaga plays in the McCarthey Athletic Center (MAC) which seats 6,000. It was opened in 2004 at a cost of approximately $25MM and would cost approximately $31.7MM today to build. Compare that to the Stroh Center at BGSU which seats 4,387 for basketball and was opened in 2011 with a price tag of $30MM or a cost of $31.9MM to build today. My point is that they have not spent anything near $100MM for a facility or paid their HC $5MM per year.

So what makes Gonzaga what it is? Basically they have built a team over a number of years with the same HC and a very aggressive non-conference schedule. Do they lose? You bet! But they are not playing a continual list of stiffs and also runs for their OOC. They had the guts to get off the porch and run with the big dogs, that is why you can watch them tonight playing for the National Championship. It has taken them a number of years, but it can be done. Even in the MAC!

Last Edited: 4/3/2017 10:48:58 PM by ou79

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 4:14:13 PM

79, you make some good points. I'm in the minority here about playing the big boys on the road. I agree that's the first step.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 4:19:35 PM

giacomo wrote:

79, you make some good points. I'm in the minority here about playing the big boys on the road. I agree that's the first step.

I agree with you to an extent. I just don't see value in going to places like Kansas, Kentucky, or Duke. What are your thoughts on the upcoming season's schedule that we know of so far?

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 4:22:25 PM

ou79 wrote:

I agree with Borna's comments about Gonzaga. There is an example of a team staying in a far away placed 1 bid league and making it happen. Further, when you look at the numbers, it is not necessarily the finances that separates Gonzaga and Ohio. Our current athletic budget is in the neighborhood of $28.7MM while Gonzaga's is approximately $19.7MM. True, they do not play football but their budget is also about $9MM less than our budget. Do to Gonzaga's location in Spokane, Washington they have to fly their teams to away games. They will pay Mark Frew $1,629,03 this year which is way more than what we are paying Saul. However in the grand scheme of things, that is not a lot of $$$ for a MBB HC who has his team playing for the National Championship. Further, Frew has been the HC since the late '90s and as recently as 2011 his salary was $922,854.

As for facilities, Gonzaga plays in the McCarthey Athletic Center (MAC) which seats 6,000. It was opened in 2004 at a cost of approximately $25MM and would cost approximately $31.7MM today to build. Compare that to the Stroh Center at BGSU which seats 4,387 for basketball and was opened in 2011 with a price tag of $30MM or a cost of $31.9MM to build today. My point is that they have not spent anything near $100MM for a facility or paid their HC $5MM per year.

So what makes Gonzaga what it is? Basically they have built a team over a number of years with the same HC and a very aggressive non-conference schedule. Do they lose? You bet! But they are not playing a continual list of stiffs and also runs for their OOC. They had the guts to get off the porch and run with the big dogs, that is why you can watch them tonight playing for the National Championship. It has taken them a number of years, but it can be done. Even in the MAC!

I think the key above everything that you mention is the coaching and leadership continuity with Mark Few and his staff. Not that scheduling doesn't matter, but it doesn't matter when the coach changes every third or fourth year, which has happened here since 2008.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 7:10:40 PM

As for scheduling, Dambrodt at Akron seldom if ever had an OOC with teams that were not on life support or who you really had to be a basketball junkie to know who they were. As a consequence, his teams in either the Big Dance or the NIT were pathetic at best. That I believe is a problem with the MAC in general. We may beat each other's brains in, but seldom do anything in the Big Dance, OUr Sweet 16 run and Kent's Elite 8 run being the exceptions. Therefore, forget the rest of the league, we should step it up. No, we do not have to schedule Duke every year. But you start building an OOC which progressively gets tougher each year. And, having the right HC stick around helps a lot also.

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 8:46:45 PM

I will put this over here as I am afraid it will get lost in the insanity on the other thread

This ia a good story. I was looking at Ken Pom going back then on Sports Ref http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/gonzaga / trying to figure out when and how it all happened. Magically it came across my social media compliments of jared Swanson http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19...

Saw Monson with Few a couple of times this weekend as cameras caught up

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/3/2017 10:59:33 PM

Great reads Borna, thanks for posting!

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RE: dambrodt speaks

Posted: 4/4/2017 12:02:36 PM

ou79 wrote:

Great reads Borna, thanks for posting!

Agreed, a great read about Gonzaga.

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