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Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/4/2018 6:19:34 PM  Read the full tweet transcript here and follow Jason on twitter if you aren't already: https://twitter.com/JasonAmessenger/status/94905277744305... The biggest takeaways: Re: Carter - "Ohio fans should prepare for a redshirt season..." Re: BVP - "Looking like a redshirt year could be in his future, but how the rest of the year plays out will determine that" Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/4/2018 9:47:56 PM  Ugh. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 9:09:08 AM  If what's been posted about Carter's injury(s) is accurate,there's no way he plays at 100% this season. Assuming he is "healed" enough to play,how long till is can get shape to play significant minutes and contribute ? Given we're already starting MAC play and there's no indication when he could come back,a redshirt may be in everyone's best interest. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 9:31:35 AM  At this point I'm almost over it. Just sit them and let's play with what we've got, for better or worse. Get them healthy so Ohio can make a big run in 2017-18. And I hate saying that because Mike Laster is having such a good season I feel like he deserves to go out a champion. Hopefully the squad makes some magic come March. Last Edited: 1/5/2018 9:32:50 AM by GoCats105 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,370 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 9:42:38 AM  GoCats105 wrote: At this point I'm almost over it. Just sit them and let's play with what we've got, for better or worse. Get them healthy so Ohio can make a big run in 2017-18. And I hate saying that because Mike Laster is having such a good season I feel like he deserves to go out a champion. Hopefully the squad makes some magic come March. Reluctantly, I agree with you completely. I'm only reluctant because of the ugly Grad Transfer rule, and what it could mean for Carter. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,518 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 9:48:03 AM  OU_Country wrote: GoCats105 wrote: At this point I'm almost over it. Just sit them and let's play with what we've got, for better or worse. Get them healthy so Ohio can make a big run in 2017-18. And I hate saying that because Mike Laster is having such a good season I feel like he deserves to go out a champion. Hopefully the squad makes some magic come March. Reluctantly, I agree with you completely. I'm only reluctant because of the ugly Grad Transfer rule, and what it could mean for Carter. I completely agree about the grad transfer. With Holtmann doing well already at OSU and Jason being from Johnstown which isn't too far from C-Bus I could completely see Jason having another two years of awesomeness for us starting next year and using his grad transfer year to go to the Buckeyes. He would be a very good Big 10 swing man. But...I also could see him being a fantastic Bobcat and wanting to finish what he started last year as an up-and-comer in the league. Pair him with Nathan Springs and they could have two years of tremendous inside play!!! Toss in three years with Kirk running the point with him and he would probably want to stay. I think Jaaron just didn't want to play 40 minutes a game anymore and be "the guy." Jason won't have that problem. Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 765 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 10:59:03 AM  Other than the tidbits listed on here, I know nothing about the severity of these injuries. I was however surprised at how quickly Carter came back if it was fact it was a stress fracture. Having had more stress fractures than probably every player on the team combined, you can't come back too soon and had he rested it appropriately, he probably is ready to come back about now. But I have zero facts, so I'll stop there as I'm no doctor, but that caught my attention when I heard he was in a boot one day, then practicing a little sooner than I had anticipated. My main point, is what a struggle it must be for SP to redshirt. He made it very clear in the coaches show that he will do what is right for the player and that is the correct answer. At the same time, human nature would make you wait it out as long as possible realizing that in his position, he may really need a strong finish to THIS season and even if they could come back the first of February, it could potential salvage a respectable finish. Carter and BVP 4 years from now probably seems forever to a guy with 1 year left on his deal. Hence, I'm not surprised were waiting out these decisions. Kind of like GM's in baseball who say they don't like to trade stars for prospects, because they may not be around long enough to see the prospects deliver. They need to the guys now to keep their positions, so only the one's with long term job security like those kind of alternatives. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 11:14:27 AM  Chicken George wrote: Other than the tidbits listed on here, I know nothing about the severity of these injuries. I was however surprised at how quickly Carter came back if it was fact it was a stress fracture. Having had more stress fractures than probably every player on the team combined, you can't come back too soon and had he rested it appropriately, he probably is ready to come back about now. But I have zero facts, so I'll stop there as I'm no doctor, but that caught my attention when I heard he was in a boot one day, then practicing a little sooner than I had anticipated. As far as what had been relayed to the public, it was my understanding that the stress fracture was fine, but then he sustained a completely different injury in practice one day. That injury was less significant, but enough to sit him out given the circumstances of the old injury plus the new. I could be completely wrong, but that's how interpreted it. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,852 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 11:44:25 AM  OU_Country wrote: GoCats105 wrote: At this point I'm almost over it. Just sit them and let's play with what we've got, for better or worse. Get them healthy so Ohio can make a big run in 2017-18. And I hate saying that because Mike Laster is having such a good season I feel like he deserves to go out a champion. Hopefully the squad makes some magic come March. Reluctantly, I agree with you completely. I'm only reluctant because of the ugly Grad Transfer rule, and what it could mean for Carter. We should all be thrilled if fear of a grad transfer becomes an issue. He's shown flashes of brilliance but he's a long way from being poached by a P5 program. This fear assumes he will stay healthy and get bigger and better every year. If that happens (and it could), we'll enjoy two seasons with an awesome big man who may or may not want to leave for his last year. I don't think this team is going anywhere meaningful this season with or without Carter, so redshirts seem prudent. Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,163 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 11:55:25 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OU_Country wrote: GoCats105 wrote: At this point I'm almost over it. Just sit them and let's play with what we've got, for better or worse. Get them healthy so Ohio can make a big run in 2017-18. And I hate saying that because Mike Laster is having such a good season I feel like he deserves to go out a champion. Hopefully the squad makes some magic come March. Reluctantly, I agree with you completely. I'm only reluctant because of the ugly Grad Transfer rule, and what it could mean for Carter. We should all be thrilled if fear of a grad transfer becomes an issue. He's shown flashes of brilliance but he's a long way from being poached by a P5 program. This fear assumes he will stay healthy and get bigger and better every year. If that happens (and it could), we'll enjoy two seasons with an awesome big man who may or may not want to leave for his last year. I don't think this team is going anywhere meaningful this season with or without Carter, so redshirts seem prudent. I agree, this would be a good problem to confront down the road. Also, I believe that Carter, having played with Jaaron, may see the drawbacks just as much (if not more so) than the benefits. If his senior season at OHIO means that he dominates the league like no other, that bodes well for his future. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,155 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 12:15:50 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Chicken George wrote: Other than the tidbits listed on here, I know nothing about the severity of these injuries. I was however surprised at how quickly Carter came back if it was fact it was a stress fracture. Having had more stress fractures than probably every player on the team combined, you can't come back too soon and had he rested it appropriately, he probably is ready to come back about now. But I have zero facts, so I'll stop there as I'm no doctor, but that caught my attention when I heard he was in a boot one day, then practicing a little sooner than I had anticipated. As far as what had been relayed to the public, it was my understanding that the stress fracture was fine, but then he sustained a completely different injury in practice one day. That injury was less significant, but enough to sit him out given the circumstances of the old injury plus the new. I could be completely wrong, but that's how interpreted it. I agree. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 2:23:22 PM  Maybe its me,but it seems that there is a lot more information about injuries in football the basketball. Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 765 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 2:33:07 PM  So if the "stress fracture is fine," you're saying this "less significant injury" is going to potentially keep him out not only the 1/2 of December, but all of January and the rest of the season? A stress fracture usually takes 6-8 weeks to heal (which kind of surprised me in how quickly he went from hurt, to boot, to practicing, to playing. I just assumed he reinjured it from coming back too soon.) But this "less significant" injury is allegedly the culprit of the potential redshirt and going to keep him out 10+ weeks. I'm following loosely, but why don't they just say what's up, or have they? That math doesn't make sense to me. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 3:07:38 PM  Chicken George wrote: So if the "stress fracture is fine," you're saying this "less significant injury" is going to potentially keep him out not only the 1/2 of December, but all of January and the rest of the season? A stress fracture usually takes 6-8 weeks to heal (which kind of surprised me in how quickly he went from hurt, to boot, to practicing, to playing. I just assumed he reinjured it from coming back too soon.) But this "less significant" injury is allegedly the culprit of the potential redshirt and going to keep him out 10+ weeks. I'm following loosely, but why don't they just say what's up, or have they? That math doesn't make sense to me. The less significant injury coupled with the fact the stress fracture may not have been 100% to begin with is keeping him out. That's what I've understood to be the case based on Arkley's reporting, info from here, SP's show, etc. When I say the stress fracture "is fine" I meant it was well enough for him to play, which we did see a little bit of him. But if you add another injury on top of a leg that may not be 100%, then I get the reason for holding him out, whether that 2nd injury is as severe or not. Think about it this way: if you have a stress fracture in your right leg which is about 80% healed, then you get a sprained ankle, hurt a knee or whatever in your left leg, you're going to put pressure on that right leg to perform. So maybe it's not the best idea to put pressure back on that right leg again so soon. IMO, they're holding out hope that he's able to play this year, which is why they haven't said either way what they are going to do. Saul talked about it a lot in the latest coaches show if you get a chance to listen to the on-demand. Last Edited: 1/5/2018 3:12:19 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 3:24:22 PM  Chicken George wrote: So if the "stress fracture is fine," you're saying this "less significant injury" is going to potentially keep him out not only the 1/2 of December, but all of January and the rest of the season? A stress fracture usually takes 6-8 weeks to heal (which kind of surprised me in how quickly he went from hurt, to boot, to practicing, to playing. I just assumed he reinjured it from coming back too soon.) But this "less significant" injury is allegedly the culprit of the potential redshirt and going to keep him out 10+ weeks. I'm following loosely, but why don't they just say what's up, or have they? That math doesn't make sense to me. My wife wife got a stress fracture in her foot. They didn't put her in a boot.She was just told to "be careful". After about 6 weeks they did an X-ray and told her the bone was "healed". But she still had some pain doing "normal" activities for about a year.Whenever she "landed funny" (her words) on the foot,like stepping off a curb,walking up or down a hill or stairs,or walking for a significant distance the pain got worse and lasted for a while,after she finished. She also said her foot felt "wobbly". She experienced pain doing "squats" and certain Yoga positions for well over a year. She went back to her orthopedist a couple of times. The X-rays and MRI showed nothing was wrong. So it seems,at least in her case,"healed" didn't mean pain free. I would think that a playing basketball,especially trying to jump,could aggravate a stress fracture,even if the bone is healed. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/5/2018 6:13:42 PM  rpbobcat wrote: Chicken George wrote: So if the "stress fracture is fine," you're saying this "less significant injury" is going to potentially keep him out not only the 1/2 of December, but all of January and the rest of the season? A stress fracture usually takes 6-8 weeks to heal (which kind of surprised me in how quickly he went from hurt, to boot, to practicing, to playing. I just assumed he reinjured it from coming back too soon.) But this "less significant" injury is allegedly the culprit of the potential redshirt and going to keep him out 10+ weeks. I'm following loosely, but why don't they just say what's up, or have they? That math doesn't make sense to me. My wife wife got a stress fracture in her foot. They didn't put her in a boot.She was just told to "be careful". After about 6 weeks they did an X-ray and told her the bone was "healed". But she still had some pain doing "normal" activities for about a year.Whenever she "landed funny" (her words) on the foot,like stepping off a curb,walking up or down a hill or stairs,or walking for a significant distance the pain got worse and lasted for a while,after she finished. She also said her foot felt "wobbly". She experienced pain doing "squats" and certain Yoga positions for well over a year. She went back to her orthopedist a couple of times. The X-rays and MRI showed nothing was wrong. So it seems,at least in her case,"healed" didn't mean pain free. I would think that a playing basketball,especially trying to jump,could aggravate a stress fracture,even if the bone is healed. The addage is 2 portions of metatarsals (foot bones) in the same room will heal. We always boot them anyway as I prefer to control forces on a non displaced fragment and we know it will heal quicker like 3-4 weeks vs the 6 to 12 most orthos quote. Bones are not like steel beams they are more bendable and flexible like a green twig. Healed on X ray (radiographic union) means we no longer see a fracture line but there is a great deal of boney callus that still has to continue to heal and subsequently be remodeled. That happens over the next 12 to 18 months. In our athletes we do not want a lot of boney callus and deposition of a matrix on the bone (like adhering a patch on an innertube). That indicates motion during healing and the ensuing bone matrix is haphazard and then must be replaced and go through a remodeling period. The game in a tibial stress fracture is to immobilize and keep tibias non weight bearing during healing. We like to Keep athletes engaged with alternative activity like upper body lifting, cardio in the deep end of the pool using a wet vest or buoancy belt and get them ready. BEFORE returning to activity the abnormal structure and biomechanics, training errors, equipment (shoes), dietary intake and a myriad of possible causes need to be addressed. If they are not they will end up like CG with multiple fractures or the original will never heal correctly i.e. Sam Bowie I have no comment on the current situation since I have not talked to the athletes or the docs. I only know what my mentors taught me...I was able to catch up with one of them 30 years hence last september at a National SportsmMed meeting. He is still excited and teaching/lecturing. We discussed stress fractures and concepts at length. His son ran Cross at Notre Dame so we spent an evening talking not only about conditions but the state of medicine as it relates to NCAA programs and the care of athletes. Fascinating stuff. I think the best guys with the most knowledge rarely get to see the athletes for a myriad of reasons. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Bobcat Debate 73 General User Member Since: 11/26/2007 Post Count: 204 Status: Offline     RE: Redshirts for Carter and BVP? Arkley thinks its happening.    Posted: 1/6/2018 4:34:11 PM  Can I do Like on this reply! Nice having someone who knows both basketball and is a professional in medicine! 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