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Eating's Better in Power Five https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/12/21/us/ap-fbc-the... The money they spend on dining and nutrition versus us is astounding. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,596 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 5:24:27 AM  There are some good comments made outside the spending disparity between P5 and G5. Very interesting article. Totally anecdotal, but if I could go back to my own athletic "career" the first thing I would change is my own nutrition. There is a wealth of information easily accessible online today but convincing a 18 or 20 year old to buy-in is another struggle. Interesting that this has been an area of focus at Nebraska since 1935. Our football staff surely puts some emphasis on this even without huge funding. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,466 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 9:14:11 AM  How hard is it to find good nutrition in the cafeteria? There's a salad bar every day. There's a pasta bar if you need to carb up. There are always vegetables and fruit. There are eggs in the morning. A decent training table could be built from the cafe menu and the regular items. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,214 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 9:45:57 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: How hard is it to find good nutrition in the cafeteria? There's a salad bar every day. There's a pasta bar if you need to carb up. There are always vegetables and fruit. There are eggs in the morning. A decent training table could be built from the cafe menu and the regular items. If you've been to Nelson lately it's like going to a restaurant. It's all about choices. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 9:54:55 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: How hard is it to find good nutrition in the cafeteria? There's a salad bar every day. There's a pasta bar if you need to carb up. There are always vegetables and fruit. There are eggs in the morning. A decent training table could be built from the cafe menu and the regular items. I was thinking this same thing. How much of it is really about what is available compared to what can be taught to the athletes? Can we educate them better? I'm sure that a larger investment in nutrition would certainly help and make a difference, but there are other steps you can take when it's not in the budget to do so, right? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,752 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 10:35:13 AM  My Varsity OHIO wife remembers, with some degree of jealousy, that when she was eating in her freshman dorm cafeteria that she and her friends were eating "mystery meat" and the football players were given the finest cut of steak. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 11:20:26 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: How hard is it to find good nutrition in the cafeteria? There's a salad bar every day. There's a pasta bar if you need to carb up. There are always vegetables and fruit. There are eggs in the morning. A decent training table could be built from the cafe menu and the regular items. I was thinking this same thing. How much of it is really about what is available compared to what can be taught to the athletes? Can we educate them better? I'm sure that a larger investment in nutrition would certainly help and make a difference, but there are other steps you can take when it's not in the budget to do so, right? Anyone who has been here for any amount of time knows this is one of my more important points to address in the life of an athlete. As an athlete it only took blowing up during a triathlon then turning around the next month and having a similar problem at mile 22 of a marathon to figure out what they taught us in med school about nutrition would not help my performance. Studying nutrition and applying to/working with BSU athletes we were able to entice dietetics to help us in the late 80s early 90s to pick through the athlete habits and try to direct them toward better choices in the dorms and off campus. I am happy Giacomo put this up here and I am aware of all the non athletes who will argue about the choices OUr athletes make and the availability of food in the dorm. It is a complex subject and well known to the Power conference school that if they feed their athletes they will get better performance. Talking to coaches who have moved up to those conferences they will tell you the most significant differences are in the nutrition of athletes and the strength training those athletes receive before they tell you about charter flights and competition differences. When Groce came it was a primary objective to provide more opportunities to athletes. It was a major victory to get nutritional shakes in a refrigerator in the locker room to fuel the bodies of athletes who left home for an 8 am class and went straight to practice with no opportunity to get lunch at noon then were in film or treatment or back to class till after the cafeteria closed at 6. When you talk to coaches at bigger programs they have fueling stations right outside the Volleyball locker room to make a healthy meal before their athlete heads straight to class or heads to an offf campus apt where they may make silly choices as they prepare their own meals. My own kid grew up eating healthy meals of chicken stir fry with fresh pea pods and carrots or flat iron steak, sweet potatoe and broccoli did not take the time to prepare that type of meal once he was at the Summit with Devo, AB and Asown. Juggling classes, practice and travel as well as shopping did not work as well as it should. Those Power conference schools make that not a choice. The results show in the athletes bodies. Garbage in garbage out vs fuel the machine it will run better. This is a good article and a good talking point. Talking to JG he was the first coach who understood the importance of nutrition that I had met since we convinced Majerus that pizzas (his own personal daily choice) were not as good for his athletes as it was for him. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top C Money General User Member Since: 8/28/2010 Post Count: 3,420 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 12:17:37 PM  I decided a while ago that if I hit the Powerball my donation to Ohio Athletics would be directed towards nutrition. So there's a 1 in 292,201,338 chance we get this taken care of this week. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,734 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 12:31:32 PM  I sit on the fence on this issue. I certainly think nutrition is important and should be a priority. I don't think I want to spend the most, nor do I want to spend the least. I can see some schools like Alabama touting they spend 3.6M, and you're special, yada, yada, come here and you'll eat like kings every day. There is an arms race already going on with facilities and amenities. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,214 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 1:00:37 PM  C Money wrote: I decided a while ago that if I hit the Powerball my donation to Ohio Athletics would be directed towards nutrition. So there's a 1 in 292,201,338 chance we get this taken care of this week. While you're at it could you build us an italian restaurant, a seafood restaurant and an 18 hole golf course in Athens. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,596 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 1:23:43 PM  giacomo wrote: I sit on the fence on this issue. I certainly think nutrition is important and should be a priority. I don't think I want to spend the most, nor do I want to spend the least. I can see some schools like Alabama touting they spend 3.6M, and you're special, yada, yada, come here and you'll eat like kings every day. There is an arms race already going on with facilities and amenities. I agree entirely Giacomo, I am torn on this issue, because I do see the benefit of the investment but the excess is mind-blowing. Reading about "Bison Burgers" and "Mahi-Mahi steak" seems like ridiculous excess. You certainly don't "NEED" any of that stuff to practice good nutrition, but at the same time it doesn't hurt. I absolutely believe taking it to that extreme can significantly help you get more out of your training, recover better/faster which is a pretty good recipe to perform better and increase your odds of winning more games. ... Athletes DO have unique nutrition needs compared to most students let alone the average American. I read an article that Lebron spends over $1m a year on his body and I don't believe that includes a very specific diet and his own personal chef. I remember reading about Michael Phelps ABSURD 10,000 calorie diet preparing for the Olympics. While many Americans think about their diet in terms of losing weight, athletes are trying to get calories to build lean muscle and fuel their performance/recovery. On the flip-side, I don't think there is an issue more polarizing when comparing "athlete benefits" to the "normal student." I remember my mother who was an athlete at Ohio once made a comment mirroring what OCF's wife said regarding the football meals compared to the meals of other athletes. I wasn't an athlete at Ohio but the #1 complaint I heard from my non-athlete friends about athletics was the differences in what they ate compared to normal dining hall food. FWIW, I know dining hall food overall has been massively revamped in the last couple years at Ohio which I think is important and a good move by the school to cater to students today. Quote: In the Sun Belt Conference, Texas State is spending $380,000 for a training table, $50,000 for a snack station and $12,500 for a campus professor to counsel athletes on nutrition. $12,500 for advice from a nutrition professor seems like a reasonable "middle-ground" and a building block for us (assuming you could get the academics to buy-in and fully support the cause) The article did say we spend the most in the MAC so maybe we are already doing something like this. I'd be curious to know what we programs we currently have in place. It seems like there could be some small investments in this area that would go a long way. ... Borna's comments about Groce are interesting. They specifically mentioned Akron in the article with the AD their faulting their poor performance down the stretch in hoops a couple years back on nutrition. They said a basketball coaches wife now fills in part-time consulting with players. Last Edited: 1/2/2018 1:25:01 PM by The Optimist I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 2:34:14 PM  bornacatfan wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: How hard is it to find good nutrition in the cafeteria? There's a salad bar every day. There's a pasta bar if you need to carb up. There are always vegetables and fruit. There are eggs in the morning. A decent training table could be built from the cafe menu and the regular items. I was thinking this same thing. How much of it is really about what is available compared to what can be taught to the athletes? Can we educate them better? I'm sure that a larger investment in nutrition would certainly help and make a difference, but there are other steps you can take when it's not in the budget to do so, right? Anyone who has been here for any amount of time knows this is one of my more important points to address in the life of an athlete. As an athlete it only took blowing up during a triathlon then turning around the next month and having a similar problem at mile 22 of a marathon to figure out what they taught us in med school about nutrition would not help my performance. Studying nutrition and applying to/working with BSU athletes we were able to entice dietetics to help us in the late 80s early 90s to pick through the athlete habits and try to direct them toward better choices in the dorms and off campus. I am happy Giacomo put this up here and I am aware of all the non athletes who will argue about the choices OUr athletes make and the availability of food in the dorm. It is a complex subject and well known to the Power conference school that if they feed their athletes they will get better performance. Talking to coaches who have moved up to those conferences they will tell you the most significant differences are in the nutrition of athletes and the strength training those athletes receive before they tell you about charter flights and competition differences. When Groce came it was a primary objective to provide more opportunities to athletes. It was a major victory to get nutritional shakes in a refrigerator in the locker room to fuel the bodies of athletes who left home for an 8 am class and went straight to practice with no opportunity to get lunch at noon then were in film or treatment or back to class till after the cafeteria closed at 6. When you talk to coaches at bigger programs they have fueling stations right outside the Volleyball locker room to make a healthy meal before their athlete heads straight to class or heads to an offf campus apt where they may make silly choices as they prepare their own meals. My own kid grew up eating healthy meals of chicken stir fry with fresh pea pods and carrots or flat iron steak, sweet potatoe and broccoli did not take the time to prepare that type of meal once he was at the Summit with Devo, AB and Asown. Juggling classes, practice and travel as well as shopping did not work as well as it should. Those Power conference schools make that not a choice. The results show in the athletes bodies. Garbage in garbage out vs fuel the machine it will run better. This is a good article and a good talking point. Talking to JG he was the first coach who understood the importance of nutrition that I had met since we convinced Majerus that pizzas (his own personal daily choice) were not as good for his athletes as it was for him. I'm curious what impact this might even have on recruiting when you look deeper into the subject. And if Ohio made a larger investment in this area how much of an improvement we could see. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 2:34:38 PM  C Money wrote: I decided a while ago that if I hit the Powerball my donation to Ohio Athletics would be directed towards nutrition. So there's a 1 in 292,201,338 chance we get this taken care of this week. Make that 2 in 292,201,338. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,415 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 3:04:13 PM  GoCats105 wrote: C Money wrote: I decided a while ago that if I hit the Powerball my donation to Ohio Athletics would be directed towards nutrition. So there's a 1 in 292,201,338 chance we get this taken care of this week. Make that 2 in 292,201,338. So, you're saying I have a chance? Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 3:09:32 PM  "Clemson this year opened a $55 million football-only building featuring a dining hall where, once everything is up and running for the defending national champions, a player's biometric readings will help determine his recommended diet for the day. The player will put his thumb on a scanner and step on a scale, and his personal menu will be produced based on the information gleaned from the readings." Meanwhile, Ohio offers a shelf of granola bars and apples. "Ohio provided a snack station for the first time last year, allocating $35,000 for what it described as "dry food items and fruit."" My comment is not a dig at Ohio, but the gap between money spent between programs (i.e. "The Arms Race") is really getting worse. How do programs like Ohio compete? And people are up in arms over an athlete academic center in Athens? Try proposing an athlete-only dining hall with chef, nutritionists and staff. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,752 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 3:26:47 PM  OhioStunter wrote: "Clemson this year opened a $55 million football-only building featuring a dining hall where, once everything is up and running for the defending national champions, a player's biometric readings will help determine his recommended diet for the day. The player will put his thumb on a scanner and step on a scale, and his personal menu will be produced based on the information gleaned from the readings." Meanwhile, Ohio offers a shelf of granola bars and apples. "Ohio provided a snack station for the first time last year, allocating $35,000 for what it described as "dry food items and fruit."" My comment is not a dig at Ohio, but the gap between money spent between programs (i.e. "The Arms Race") is really getting worse. How do programs like Ohio compete? And people are up in arms over an athlete academic center in Athens? Try proposing an athlete-only dining hall with chef, nutritionists and staff. How long do you think that will be acceptable at Clemson? I think people throughout the nation are getting a little fed up with "educational institutions" treating athletes like some privileged caste. I think in this regard, "the times they are achanging!" The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,440 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 3:47:20 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: OhioStunter wrote: "Clemson this year opened a $55 million football-only building featuring a dining hall where, once everything is up and running for the defending national champions, a player's biometric readings will help determine his recommended diet for the day. The player will put his thumb on a scanner and step on a scale, and his personal menu will be produced based on the information gleaned from the readings." Meanwhile, Ohio offers a shelf of granola bars and apples. "Ohio provided a snack station for the first time last year, allocating $35,000 for what it described as "dry food items and fruit."" My comment is not a dig at Ohio, but the gap between money spent between programs (i.e. "The Arms Race") is really getting worse. How do programs like Ohio compete? And people are up in arms over an athlete academic center in Athens? Try proposing an athlete-only dining hall with chef, nutritionists and staff. How long do you think that will be acceptable at Clemson? I think people throughout the nation are getting a little fed up with "educational institutions" treating athletes like some privileged caste. I think in this regard, "the times they are achanging!" Depends what the priorities of the institution itself are. I don't know anything about Clemson academically or the community, but I don't think anyone there is complaining about competing for a football championship the last three years in a row. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 1,125 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 4:36:50 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: My Varsity OHIO wife remembers, with some degree of jealousy, that when she was eating in her freshman dorm cafeteria that she and her friends were eating "mystery meat" and the football players were given the finest cut of steak. Not sure the time frame, but this is not even close to being true for today's student-athletes at Ohio. We had to wait in the same lines as everybody else. The only amenities outside of athletics not available to regular students in the academic area in Peden. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,716 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 4:43:37 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: How long do you think that will be acceptable at Clemson? I think people throughout the nation are getting a little fed up with "educational institutions" treating athletes like some privileged caste. I think in this regard, "the times they are achanging!" When you take an athlete and consider a class schedule, practice schedule, Study tables, travel schedule, film, lifting,training staff treatment without figuring out how to factor in time to eat you have a problem. If you have not considered how those time constraints differ from the general student body then we are going to be stuck in this place ongoing. I do not think those folk who are supporting Power conference schools are even batting an eye at the need for training tables. They seem to be a bit more enlightened as to what it takes. If you have not sat with a number of the athletes and actually looked at a map of campus with their class and team related schedules it is easy to assume they are "privileged". Choosing to make it from class at 1150 to practice down the hill and be dressed at 12pm leaves some practicing without anything in their stomach. Works for those of us in the private sector....but if I were training for anything I would have to readjust my schedule. I won't say that there are not a number of things the individual athletes could not change but I do see what the more focused schools are doing to fuel their bodies does to benefit the athletic program. That said, I understand those members of the BSU Faculty Senate that come in my office and complain about every meal, roll of tape and shirt each athlete gets and how they believe it affects their next raise. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,598 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/2/2018 7:41:58 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: My Varsity OHIO wife remembers, with some degree of jealousy, that when she was eating in her freshman dorm cafeteria that she and her friends were eating "mystery meat" and the football players were given the finest cut of steak. When I played soccer at O.U. in the mid 1970's ,we had to sneak into the football locker room,just to scarf some lemonade. We spent our summer preseason camp eating PB&J and Kraft Mac and cheese,because we got no money from O.U. I don't know whether they got the "finest cut",but the football team got plenty of steak at dinner. Back to Top OhioStunter General User Member Since: 2/18/2005 Location: Chicago Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/3/2018 10:01:29 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: OhioStunter wrote: "Clemson this year opened a $55 million football-only building featuring a dining hall where, once everything is up and running for the defending national champions, a player's biometric readings will help determine his recommended diet for the day. The player will put his thumb on a scanner and step on a scale, and his personal menu will be produced based on the information gleaned from the readings." Meanwhile, Ohio offers a shelf of granola bars and apples. "Ohio provided a snack station for the first time last year, allocating $35,000 for what it described as "dry food items and fruit."" My comment is not a dig at Ohio, but the gap between money spent between programs (i.e. "The Arms Race") is really getting worse. How do programs like Ohio compete? And people are up in arms over an athlete academic center in Athens? Try proposing an athlete-only dining hall with chef, nutritionists and staff. How long do you think that will be acceptable at Clemson? I think people throughout the nation are getting a little fed up with "educational institutions" treating athletes like some privileged caste. I think in this regard, "the times they are achanging!" Moreso than tolerance for amenities for student-athletes, I wonder how long coaching salaries will be acceptable at universities. We've already reached ridiculous level and it will only get worse. Unlike high-priced amenities that serve upwards of thousands of student-athletes, high-priced contracts benefit one individual. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 1,125 Status: Offline     RE: Power five training table budgets    Posted: 1/4/2018 11:45:18 AM  OhioStunter wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: OhioStunter wrote: "Clemson this year opened a $55 million football-only building featuring a dining hall where, once everything is up and running for the defending national champions, a player's biometric readings will help determine his recommended diet for the day. The player will put his thumb on a scanner and step on a scale, and his personal menu will be produced based on the information gleaned from the readings." Meanwhile, Ohio offers a shelf of granola bars and apples. "Ohio provided a snack station for the first time last year, allocating $35,000 for what it described as "dry food items and fruit."" My comment is not a dig at Ohio, but the gap between money spent between programs (i.e. "The Arms Race") is really getting worse. How do programs like Ohio compete? And people are up in arms over an athlete academic center in Athens? Try proposing an athlete-only dining hall with chef, nutritionists and staff. How long do you think that will be acceptable at Clemson? I think people throughout the nation are getting a little fed up with "educational institutions" treating athletes like some privileged caste. I think in this regard, "the times they are achanging!" Moreso than tolerance for amenities for student-athletes, I wonder how long coaching salaries will be acceptable at universities. We've already reached ridiculous level and it will only get worse. Unlike high-priced amenities that serve upwards of thousands of student-athletes, high-priced contracts benefit one individual. The lavish athletic facilities are one thing but coaches salaries are different. IMO coaches salaries are almost like an investment for those schools that actually profit from football. Faculty may not like it, but I wonder how the numbers look from an ROI standpoint. 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