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FJC31
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   Posted: 3/28/2026 1:18:43 PM 
Says Trilly Donovan. He’s plugged in.

https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2037932680990388639?s=...
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   Posted: 3/28/2026 2:26:18 PM 
FJC31 wrote:
Says Trilly Donovan. He’s plugged in.

https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2037932680990388639?s=...


Rumor is John Groce to College Of Charleston.

Hoops school only. No football program.

One of the best places in the country to live.

Will pay at least 1.3 million per year if not more.

It actually makes sense.

Last Edited: 3/28/2026 2:40:05 PM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 3/28/2026 3:15:30 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
Says Trilly Donovan. He’s plugged in.

https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2037932680990388639?s=...


Rumor is John Groce to College Of Charleston.

Hoops school only. No football program.

One of the best places in the country to live.

Will pay at least 1.3 million per year if not more.

It actually makes sense.


Yea, it’s going to be Groce it sounds like. Love Charleston as a city, campus is also beautiful.

Not sure what happens to Akron but good for Groce.
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   Posted: 3/28/2026 5:02:06 PM 
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.
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   Posted: 3/28/2026 7:28:09 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


+1,000,000

Ohio football will never sniff the college football playoff. And how can anyone get excited playing in a bowl game in an NFL practice facility???

Last Edited: 3/28/2026 7:46:55 PM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 3/29/2026 7:03:45 AM 
- 1,000,002
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 7:14:35 AM 
And yet 3 times as many fans attend our football games.
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 9:34:08 AM 
South Carolina low country...plus Hilton Head, Savannah, etc.

#RetirementPlan ? (a condo on HHI would be a good investment)
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 9:52:29 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


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   Posted: 3/29/2026 11:16:35 AM 
Charleston's President would trade places with us athletically in a heartbeat. Not in location necessarily. It is probably easier to get NIL in a city, But having a MAC football and basketball program or just a SC basketball program.

It is laughable how out of touch you guys are. It is like you think an athletic budget is like an family entertainment budget or something. We have X amount of money to spend and can either spent it on the movies or restaurants or something...... It really actually sounds like this is how you are thinking. It really actually does as hard as that is for me to believe. I mean most of you guys are alums right? I'd like to think that you are smarter than that.

I'm not promoting football or basketball. Heck, I 'd love to see us be great at both but that isn't the point. I am not going to post here again in this thread. I've tried to explain this so many times in the past that this is my last post here this time. But for starters, just ask yourself, does the University itself need to spend money to entertain itself? OK, now think about why a University might be spending money on athletics and then ask yourself if deleting the football program would suddenly free up all of that money for basketball. Try to figure it out yourselves this time instead of having other try to explain it which never seems to work.

Last Edited: 3/29/2026 11:38:06 AM by Victory
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 11:41:49 AM 
SBH wrote:
And yet 3 times as many fans attend our football games.


What does this matter? We could pack Peden every game and triple the ticket costs....we'd still be about $100M shy of what P4 teams are bringing in. You know, our "peers" that we're supposed to be "competing" against? Call me when that becomes a reality. We are paying out our noses to "compete" in a sport, that from day 1, we literally have 0 chance of winning or even playing a nationally relevant game (beating WVU feels nice but nobody outside of SE Ohio and WVa cares).

I'm not saying get rid of football. Quite the opposite. I'm saying the MAC should demand we leverage our football teams to maximize revenue to fund sports the MAC can actually compete in. Mandate all OOC football games be P4 road buy games. Collect the stupid checks. Distribute to basketball/baseball/volleyball. Win championships. Hang banners. Rinse and repeat. Starting every season 0-4 in football is irrelevant because we aren't competing with those schools anyway. Does it really matter if we spend millions to lose to a BigTen team by 20 versus reallocating those funds to other sports and losing to a BigTen team by 50 instead? It does not. Collect the check and move on.



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   Posted: 3/29/2026 1:00:41 PM 
Victory wrote:
Charleston's President would trade places with us athletically in a heartbeat. Not in location necessarily. It is probably easier to get NIL in a city, But having a MAC football and basketball program or just a SC basketball program.


Maybe. It’s entirely possible during this era that focusing on making one sport strong is more appealing than trying to prop up multiple. CoC was in the tournament in 23 and 24. Pat Kelsey left for Louisville and now Mack has left for USF after winning 45 games in 2 years. Clearly, it can reel in talent despite the coach.

If Groce does take the job and makes it his last, it gives CoC stability to potentially take the next step as a program.
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 1:21:23 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


We can't compete on the National level in basketball either. Just because we get the token automatic and an at-large every 40 years doesn't mean we complete at that level. Heck, Miami had to go 31-0 to get a first four matchup and that is the conferences first ever First Four.
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 2:02:30 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
SBH wrote:
And yet 3 times as many fans attend our football games.


What does this matter?





Obviously the university's constituents value the level of competition we play. That's somehow irrelevant?

Last Edited: 3/29/2026 2:05:31 PM by SBH
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 3:54:30 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


We can't compete on the National level in basketball either. Just because we get the token automatic and an at-large every 40 years doesn't mean we complete at that level. Heck, Miami had to go 31-0 to get a first four matchup and that is the conferences first ever First Four.



By making the tournament youre literally, by definition, competing for a national championship. You control your own destiny. Just win.

That can not be said in football. We could go 12-0 for 20 years straight and never sniff a chance to play for a championship.

I also dont expect us to spend $15M a year on basketball like the Duke's of the world. But go look at the financial thread posted on here just a couple weeks ago. If we spent $6M a year instead of $3M currently, statistically on average we would be an annual top 75 team. At that level we would consistently be top 1-3 in the MAC. So say we get the auto bid once every 3-4 years. Then at that level youre probably ranked in the top 40 every handful of years which puts you in bubble consideration. Say you get an at large once every 10 years. Thats 3-4 ncaa tourney trips every decade. With hopefully 1-2 ncaa wins. Thats lots of $. Lots of banners. Lots of national attention and exposure. All for the cost of playing 1 extra football buy game per season and dumping it all into basketball (just as an example).
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 4:37:52 PM 
Victory wrote:
Charleston's President would trade places with us athletically in a heartbeat. Not in location necessarily. It is probably easier to get NIL in a city, But having a MAC football and basketball program or just a SC basketball program.

It is laughable how out of touch you guys are. It is like you think an athletic budget is like an family entertainment budget or something. We have X amount of money to spend and can either spent it on the movies or restaurants or something...... It really actually sounds like this is how you are thinking. It really actually does as hard as that is for me to believe. I mean most of you guys are alums right? I'd like to think that you are smarter than that.

I'm not promoting football or basketball. Heck, I 'd love to see us be great at both but that isn't the point. I am not going to post here again in this thread. I've tried to explain this so many times in the past that this is my last post here this time. But for starters, just ask yourself, does the University itself need to spend money to entertain itself? OK, now think about why a University might be spending money on athletics and then ask yourself if deleting the football program would suddenly free up all of that money for basketball. Try to figure it out yourselves this time instead of having other try to explain it which never seems to work.


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   Posted: 3/29/2026 5:51:53 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


We can't compete on the National level in basketball either. Just because we get the token automatic and an at-large every 40 years doesn't mean we complete at that level. Heck, Miami had to go 31-0 to get a first four matchup and that is the conferences first ever First Four.



By making the tournament youre literally, by definition, competing for a national championship. You control your own destiny. Just win.

That can not be said in football. We could go 12-0 for 20 years straight and never sniff a chance to play for a championship.

I also dont expect us to spend $15M a year on basketball like the Duke's of the world. But go look at the financial thread posted on here just a couple weeks ago. If we spent $6M a year instead of $3M currently, statistically on average we would be an annual top 75 team. At that level we would consistently be top 1-3 in the MAC. So say we get the auto bid once every 3-4 years. Then at that level youre probably ranked in the top 40 every handful of years which puts you in bubble consideration. Say you get an at large once every 10 years. Thats 3-4 ncaa tourney trips every decade. With hopefully 1-2 ncaa wins. Thats lots of $. Lots of banners. Lots of national attention and exposure. All for the cost of playing 1 extra football buy game per season and dumping it all into basketball (just as an example).




And 68 teams make it. Face it we are a token. Do the math in same number of years and the MAC has been represented as much in the BCS, CFP than we are basketball. And we have more post season and TV opportunities. Take your scraps and be happy.
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   Posted: 3/29/2026 5:54:01 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


We can't compete on the National level in basketball either. Just because we get the token automatic and an at-large every 40 years doesn't mean we complete at that level. Heck, Miami had to go 31-0 to get a first four matchup and that is the conferences first ever First Four.



By making the tournament youre literally, by definition, competing for a national championship. You control your own destiny. Just win.

That can not be said in football. We could go 12-0 for 20 years straight and never sniff a chance to play for a championship.

I also dont expect us to spend $15M a year on basketball like the Duke's of the world. But go look at the financial thread posted on here just a couple weeks ago. If we spent $6M a year instead of $3M currently, statistically on average we would be an annual top 75 team. At that level we would consistently be top 1-3 in the MAC. So say we get the auto bid once every 3-4 years. Then at that level youre probably ranked in the top 40 every handful of years which puts you in bubble consideration. Say you get an at large once every 10 years. Thats 3-4 ncaa tourney trips every decade. With hopefully 1-2 ncaa wins. Thats lots of $. Lots of banners. Lots of national attention and exposure. All for the cost of playing 1 extra football buy game per season and dumping it all into basketball (just as an example).




Pony up then? You really think cutting football a level would give you an extra $3M. Keep chasing that boogie man.
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   Posted: 3/30/2026 2:04:34 AM 
Who is asking to cut football a level? I'm not. I have in the past, but that argument is more about the realities of competing against the peers in your own division. This discussion is about money.

I'm saying stay right where we are. But reduce the monetary investment into football some (not entirely) and simultaneously use football for what it is good for - and thats NOT competing/winning but it IS making money. So maximize revenue. Play 4 road P4 football buy games every year OOC. Nobody cares if you start 0-4 every year. You cash the checks.

Reduce spending on football by $1-2M a year. Add 2 more buy games at $2M+ per and magically we have an extra $5-7M to reinvest into other sports like basketball.

Nobody has to "pay up". Its just reprioritizing assets to maximize competitiveness.
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   Posted: 3/30/2026 8:51:53 AM 
Wow, what decent players and coaches wouldn't want to join that football program. We sacrifice four games a year to raise money. Then, we take all of that money and give it to another sport. Plus, we take away another $1-2M from the existing football budget as well. You're a genius.
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   Posted: 3/30/2026 9:07:51 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


+1,000,000

Ohio football will never sniff the college football playoff. And how can anyone get excited playing in a bowl game in an NFL practice facility???


Here we go again with this painfully stupid way of thinking. So the only thing that matters is our path to a National Championship? I feel sorry for you both. Sports are entertainment, just sit down and enjoy a game on a given day for what it is - A game. And if we are able to secure a MAC Championship, enjoy it...We are tops among your conference rivals - That's awesome. Winning bowl games is fun. It's OK if Stephen A Smith doesn't notice, or whatever.

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   Posted: 3/30/2026 9:11:17 AM 
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


+1,000,000

Ohio football will never sniff the college football playoff. And how can anyone get excited playing in a bowl game in an NFL practice facility???



+eleventy billion

Unless the landscape of college athletics changes materially and soon, the MAC is a has-been conference. Don't take my word, look at the data. Gone are the days where we get a few players drafted in the NBA, its over. If you guys are ok with winning a MAC championship and feeling good about it, I don't know what to tell you. This isn't your dad's conference. It sucks. Don't believe me?

Little research will tell you about the decline (Shoutout Claude):

ERA 1: PEAK COMPETITIVENESS (1995-2002)

Multiple MAC programs finished with RPI in the top 50 in the same season. Five or six conference teams above .500 in RPI most years. Auto-bid teams seeded 9-12 -- competitive, not sacrificial lambs. Miami (OH) drew AP votes. Ball State, Bowling Green, and Toledo were consistent 20-win programs. The ceiling: Kent State as a 10-seed in 2002 knocked out 7-seed Oklahoma State, 2-seed Alabama, and 3-seed Pitt in overtime to reach the Elite Eight -- inducted into the National Collegiate Basketball Hall of Fame as one of the ten most memorable tournament runs in NCAA history.

ERA 2: MANAGED MEDIOCRITY (2003-2015)

Conference depth thinned to two or three teams in the RPI top 150. Typical NCAA seed slipped to 11-14. Isolated peaks still happened -- Ohio as a 13-seed reached the 2012 Sweet 16 and took top-seeded North Carolina to overtime. Akron built a legitimate program under Keith Dambrot. But the trend line was negative. KenPom data (available from 2002) shows the MAC conference average adjusted efficiency margin sliding into negative territory. Big East and C-USA expansion hollowed out the regional recruiting base. Football identity increasingly dominated the conference's national brand. Good coaches started leaving faster.

ERA 3: STRUCTURAL DEVALUATION (2019-PRESENT)

Typical NCAA seed: 13-15. Conference KenPom average AdjEM estimated at -4 to -8 when all 12 teams are pooled. Roster turnover of 50%+ per offseason now normal. An estimated 40%+ of power conference portal transfers originate from mid-majors. NIL budgets at power conference schools run $5-12M for basketball; MAC programs are working with an estimated $200K-$800K. The gap is not closeable under the current model.

The clearest single data point: Miami (Ohio) went 31-1 in the 2025-26 regular season, was ranked in the AP Top 25, and barely made the NCAA field as an 11-seed sent to the First Four in Dayton. The selection committee's public explanation cited a 339th-ranked strength of schedule and zero Quadrant 1 wins. In 1998, a 31-1 MAC team gets seeded 7th or 8th. In 2026, it's a bubble debate. That gap between record and perceived value is the most precise single measure of the 30-year decline.

If MAC schools migrated to a basketball-first conference structure -- joining or forming a strong mid-major basketball conference while stepping down to FCS football -- the competitive and economic profile of basketball programs would improve materially within 3-5 years. The WCC, MVC, and A-10 provide the structural proof of concept. The cost is football prestige. The gain is basketball viability.

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   Posted: 3/30/2026 9:35:16 AM 
SBH wrote:
Wow, what decent players and coaches wouldn't want to join that football program. We sacrifice four games a year to raise money. Then, we take all of that money and give it to another sport. Plus, we take away another $1-2M from the existing football budget as well. You're a genius.



Probably none. The question is do we care? We should not.

Right now we cant get any good players or coaches (or keep them when we do) in every other sport NOT named football for the same reason. Zero funding. Go check out the baseball team roster and record. We've hashed the basketball roster and staff to death.

In exchange we get decent football players who can win 7-9 games a year and finish 63rd in the country and compete for the Bob's Lawn Mower Bowl every year. Our ability to compete nationally is zero.

The flip side of that coin would be what I suggested. You're right we probably get worse football players. We win 3 games a year. We miss out on the Lawn Mower Bowl (guess my Tuesday afternoon in mid December just freed up). We end up ranked #105. Our ability to compete nationally is zero (completely unchanged).

But reinvest in sports that cost less (see:everything else) and start hanging banners and competing in the national tournaments consistently in multiple other sports including basketball.
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   Posted: 3/30/2026 9:41:11 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
The fact that the Coastal Athletic Association (remnants of the Colonial) is a step UP from the MAC should be embarrassing.

But it wont be. Because football.

I really wish we'd just admit we can never compete at the national level in football, admit that winning or finishing toward the top of the MAC is literally irrelevant, and the only reason we do it is for the $$ generated from buy games. At least then we can go all in on only scheduling road P4 games and just fund the other sports once and for all instead of this 1 or 2 buy games a year, half in half out, limbo garbage.

It helps noone. And you end up with the MAC losing coaches to the Coastal Association.


+1,000,000

Ohio football will never sniff the college football playoff. And how can anyone get excited playing in a bowl game in an NFL practice facility???


Here we go again with this painfully stupid way of thinking. So the only thing that matters is our path to a National Championship? I feel sorry for you both. Sports are entertainment, just sit down and enjoy a game on a given day for what it is - A game. And if we are able to secure a MAC Championship, enjoy it...We are tops among your conference rivals - That's awesome. Winning bowl games is fun. It's OK if Stephen A Smith doesn't notice, or whatever.

The disease of more. Nothing matters except the ultimate destination apparently.


Sports are entertainment for viewers. But sports, for those playing and coaching, is a competition. You play to win the games in hopes of becoming champions.

If you aren't playing to win championships, then you're just handing out participation ribbons so people feel good. And wasting a truck ton of time and money.
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   Posted: 3/30/2026 10:00:03 AM 
Victory wrote:
Charleston's President would trade places with us athletically in a heartbeat. Not in location necessarily. It is probably easier to get NIL in a city, But having a MAC football and basketball program or just a SC basketball program.

It is laughable how out of touch you guys are. It is like you think an athletic budget is like an family entertainment budget or something. We have X amount of money to spend and can either spent it on the movies or restaurants or something...... It really actually sounds like this is how you are thinking. It really actually does as hard as that is for me to believe. I mean most of you guys are alums right? I'd like to think that you are smarter than that.

I'm not promoting football or basketball. Heck, I 'd love to see us be great at both but that isn't the point. I am not going to post here again in this thread. I've tried to explain this so many times in the past that this is my last post here this time. But for starters, just ask yourself, does the University itself need to spend money to entertain itself? OK, now think about why a University might be spending money on athletics and then ask yourself if deleting the football program would suddenly free up all of that money for basketball. Try to figure it out yourselves this time instead of having other try to explain it which never seems to work.


Yes, this is one of those takes that pops up every year, and it’s just fundamentally misunderstanding how college athletics actually works.

College sports are about visibility, identity, and engagement — not just trophies.

Cutting football doesn’t fix basketball. It shrinks the entire university’s reach.

This idea that success is only defined by championships is flawed. And sad.

Look at Nebraska — they just won their first-EVER NCAA Tournament game in 2026 after 130 years of basketball.

By this logic, should they have shut down basketball decades ago?

Of course not.

Because college athletics isn’t purely about winning titles — it’s about:
• Visibility
• Experience
• Identity
• Community

Programs exist to represent the university, not just to maximize trophy counts.
OU doesn’t need to win a national championship in football for the program to be valuable.

It just needs to do what it already does:
• Drive engagement
• Generate revenue
• Create moments that connect students, alumni, and the brand

Cutting football doesn’t fix basketball.
It weakens the entire system.


This isn’t a household budget where you cut one expense and reallocate it cleanly somewhere else.

Football isn’t competing with basketball for the same dollars — it’s the engine that helps create the dollars in the first place.

Football:

• Drives a significant share of total athletic department revenue
• Generates the majority of media rights exposure
• Anchors donor engagement and alumni giving cycles
• Creates the largest in-person campus events (homecoming, Saturdays, etc.)


Basketball, by contrast, typically operates at a net loss.

So the idea that eliminating football would “free up” $15–20M to reinvest into basketball isn’t just unlikely — it’s backwards. You’d be removing one of the only revenue-generating and visibility-driving assets the department has.

And the impact goes beyond athletics.

Football is a front door to the university:

• It’s a national marketing platform
• It drives applications and enrollment interest
• It creates shared identity and school pride
• It keeps alumni connected (which ties directly to donations across the entire university)


You don’t cut your biggest brand amplifier and expect the rest of the system to grow.

If anything, dropping to FCS would:

• Reduce media exposure
• Shrink sponsorship and NIL opportunities
• Lower donor enthusiasm
• Decrease overall relevance in the college sports ecosystem


That’s not a reinvestment strategy — that’s contraction.
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