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Author Message bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,652 Status: Online     Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 4:26:08 PM  Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?   Breath Sheldon Elliot Conners Simmons other   Please Register or Login to Vote   Show Results Quoting SBH from the CMU game thread. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 3,335 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 4:53:50 PM  I think we should re-write the question. Who is pulling the biggest Sheldon on this roster? Probably Elliott. I think everyone had sky-high hopes for him in Year 2. FG% is down 13%. 3PT% is down 12%. FT% is FIFTY PERCENT. His minutes are UP. Scoring is DOWN. Tough scene. Also Dior. I thought he could be our clutch shooter off the bench. His 3 pointer is down 10% from App State. He's playing half the minutes he was, so his scoring efficiency is slightly better - but 5.7 points for our 6th-7th man is tough. 14 mins a game. Just nowhere near where I thought we would be at this point. I'm tempted to throw in Breath as well, because he's another one I thought could eventually be starting, or at least be first off the bench, but I think a lot of guys are having a tough time finding consistency. His minutes are down, but his scoring is pretty inline with last season. FG% is up over 54%. Rebounds are way down. He's not really playing "bad", he's just not doing enough. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,633 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 4:59:11 PM  I think the better question is "how bad would this team be if Jackson Paveletzke wasn't on it?" Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,259 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 5:34:05 PM  GoCats105 wrote: I think the better question is "how bad would this team be if Jackson Paveletzke wasn't on it?" Amen, Bro! He's the glue that keeps this team together. Look how much the offensive improved when he came into the game in the first half compared to how it looked without him. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,439 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 5:44:45 PM  Hadaway not even eligible? He's taken more shots than anybody on the team, but he's not our best scorer or even close to it. Shooting 47% from the field, 27% from 3, but somehow 40% of his shots are threes and he's taken more of them than anybody but Sheldon. Not really sure I see the case for Simmons but somehow Hadaway isn't even on the ballot? Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,633 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 5:56:10 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Hadaway not even eligible? He's taken more shots than anybody on the team, but he's not our best scorer or even close to it. Shooting 47% from the field, 27% from 3, but somehow 40% of his shots are threes and he's taken more of them than anybody but Sheldon. Not really sure I see the case for Simmons but somehow Hadaway isn't even on the ballot? I'm with you on this. After missing so much time last year I was really hoping he'd come in and be the all around player he's shown flashes off. Just hasn't happened for whatever reason. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,652 Status: Online     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 6:29:04 PM  Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1). Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,475 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 8:20:05 PM  Evans? So far big nothingburger..... RS Bobcat Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,439 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/30/2025 8:56:59 PM  bobcatsquared wrote: Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1). He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line, so coupled with the fact that he's a bad three point shooter it's basically impossible for him to be an efficient scorer. Another quarter of Hadaway's possessions should be going to Pavs. Insane to have Hadaway and Pavs basically neck and neck in terms of usage rate. Last Edited: 12/30/2025 8:57:30 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 3,335 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 10:03:12 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1). He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line, so coupled with the fact that he's a bad three point shooter it's basically impossible for him to be an efficient scorer. Another quarter of Hadaway's possessions should be going to Pavs. Insane to have Hadaway and Pavs basically neck and neck in terms of usage rate. Product of the stand and watch offense. Pavs is the only person getting to the bucket and getting fouled. Nobody slashing. Nobody moving. Just catch and launch 3's. Hadaway is watching too much AJC tape, but he's still improved his scoring from last season. He was my dark horse for MAC POY, and we're certainly nowhere near that at the moment, but he's our second best player and without him or Jack this is a 2 win team. This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader. Back to Top FJC31 General User Member Since: 3/31/2022 Post Count: 1,959 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 11:42:58 AM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1). He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line, so coupled with the fact that he's a bad three point shooter it's basically impossible for him to be an efficient scorer. Another quarter of Hadaway's possessions should be going to Pavs. Insane to have Hadaway and Pavs basically neck and neck in terms of usage rate. Product of the stand and watch offense. Pavs is the only person getting to the bucket and getting fouled. Nobody slashing. Nobody moving. Just catch and launch 3's. Hadaway is watching too much AJC tape, but he's still improved his scoring from last season. He was my dark horse for MAC POY, and we're certainly nowhere near that at the moment, but he's our second best player and without him or Jack this is a 2 win team. This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader. I know Boals is your guy, but where do you see any improvement coming from if what you've listed off here is all a byproduct of his coaching and program building? He's not changing his ways at this point. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,842 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 12:16:59 PM  E2 has been brutal, but for me it’s Conners. Where we desperately need somebody to knock down the three, he can’t do it. And he’s not even close. Plus, his defense is lacking. Don’t even want to know what Boals is paying him. I said it in a separate topic thread…give Fisher a shot at Conners minutes. It can’t be any worse. If Conners doesn’t play another minute this season, I’m good with it. He is a monumental disappointment. Last Edited: 12/31/2025 12:17:36 PM by FearLeon #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,439 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 12:47:56 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: Product of the stand and watch offense. Pavs is the only person getting to the bucket and getting fouled. Nobody slashing. Nobody moving. Just catch and launch 3's. Hadaway is watching too much AJC tape, but he's still improved his scoring from last season. For what it's worth, I don't think Hadaway has actually improved his scoring. He's scoring more, but far less efficiently. He's basically just become a volume shooter, and I think he's pretty much the worst offender of the stand around and watch offense. He's taking far too many bad shots -- meaning shots he doesn't make. 40% of his shots are from three, and he's straight up bad from there. He doesn't get to the rim enough, and barely gets to the line. His free throw rate (i.e. the rate he gets to the line) is way down from last year, and it wasn't good last year. That additional shooting volume isn't a good use of possessions. M.D.W.S.T wrote: This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader. We have two efficient offensive players: Pavs and Simmons. That's it. Boals sitting by and watching while Hadaway becomes a high volume 25% three point shooter is pretty bad coaching. Just don't get it. And we'll have to agree to disagree on Evans. Don't see what he actually brings and why there aren't multiple options to do what you're suggesting better than Evans does it. Evans had the worst rebound rate last year for an Ohio big in 20+ years. Breath, Simmons, and Kuany are all better bets to deliver that than Evans. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,842 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 1:30:28 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: M.D.W.S.T wrote: Product of the stand and watch offense. Pavs is the only person getting to the bucket and getting fouled. Nobody slashing. Nobody moving. Just catch and launch 3's. Hadaway is watching too much AJC tape, but he's still improved his scoring from last season. For what it's worth, I don't think Hadaway has actually improved his scoring. He's scoring more, but far less efficiently. He's basically just become a volume shooter, and I think he's pretty much the worst offender of the stand around and watch offense. He's taking far too many bad shots -- meaning shots he doesn't make. 40% of his shots are from three, and he's straight up bad from there. He doesn't get to the rim enough, and barely gets to the line. His free throw rate (i.e. the rate he gets to the line) is way down from last year, and it wasn't good last year. That additional shooting volume isn't a good use of possessions. M.D.W.S.T wrote: This has long been my critique of Boals, whom I will defend all day, but this offense sucks. He doesn't adapt to the personnel. The purposeful 'let them create' only works when you have people creating. Like someone else said - we have a TON of shooters, and no makers. This clunky, watch the Jack show offense is atrocious. Part of the reason I keep beating the table for Kuany and Evans. I want Kuany running around, slashing, moving, causing movement, disrupting the defense. Evans needs to be camping out in the paint and let Hadaway do his thing and not have to be the #1 rebounder every night. If JJ keeps improving, I think we'll look a lot different, but right now Jack is 1A, 1B and 1C. There is no secondary leader. We have two efficient offensive players: Pavs and Simmons. That's it. Boals sitting by and watching while Hadaway becomes a high volume 25% three point shooter is pretty bad coaching. Just don't get it. And we'll have to agree to disagree on Evans. Don't see what he actually brings and why there aren't multiple options to do what you're suggesting better than Evans does it. Evans had the worst rebound rate last year for an Ohio big in 20+ years. Breath, Simmons, and Kuany are all better bets to deliver that than Evans. If Evans is on this team next year, then Boals just needs to turn in the keys to his office now. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,449 Status: Offline     RE: Who is the most disappointing player on this roster thus far?    Posted: 12/31/2025 7:20:46 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Obviously, it's a subjective topic. But Hadaway is second on the team in scoring (13.2 before today), first in rebounding (7.5), and fourth in assists (2.1). He's scored 7 points more than Simmons, but taken 35 more shots than Simmons. And Hadaway basically never gets to the line Hadaway could be a great player with proper direction, which is exactly what I said about AJ Clayton the last couple years. This is my biggest frustration with the coaching staff. You need to recalibrate guys using the type of data BLSS is laying out here. Simmons has not been the beast I was expecting, he even struggled to get to the rim against Ohio Wesleyan. Conners hasn't been great but kinda hard to impress with the tiny spurts he is given. We need to lean into JP & Kelly and get Hadaway more in the paint. 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