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Laten007
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/12/2024 5:10:28 PM 
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/12/2024 5:13:36 PM 
Laten007 wrote:
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.


Did she poison the dog, too?

There's a whole group of people posting cryptic things with insider knowledge, but none of them will actually say anything that resembles evidence. Nothing's stopping you from telling people what happened.

You're here. You created the account. Why not?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/12/2024 8:10:26 PM 
Laten007 wrote:
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.


In the words of Aerosmith ... Dream On
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/12/2024 9:00:01 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Laten007 wrote:
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.


In the words of Aerosmith ... Dream On




Are we sure this isn’t Tim’s wife?

Sounds like he played himself and signed a deal on the spot a week before he was offered significantly more money to stay.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 7:17:53 AM 
Mike Coleman wrote:
People can form their own opinions but people need to learn between facts and opinions.

Facts:
Albin was offered the HC job in July 2021 and signed the contract.
Albin was offered an extension/raise and signed it in March 2023 following the 2022 season where he advanced to the MACC and was named MAC COTY.
Albin was offered an extension/raise in Dec. 2024 following being named MAC COTY and (reportedly before) winning MAC title, but signed with Charlotte instead.

I just have a few questions based on facts. Every time Albin won MAC COTY he was offered an extension. The AD offered Albin three contracts over the course of three years and five months. That is an average of a new contract less than every 14 months! Why is that considered disrespectful? If the previous contracts were so disrespectful, why on earth did he sign them? Seems like a lot of damage control to protect his legacy, based on the Saturday fiasco, but that's just my opinion.
To the above facts, we can add that, from all appearances, Albin did not get a substantial raise in moving to Charlotte. Why, then, did he leave? I have no information on what, exactly happened, nor what his motivations were. I can add a couple of thoughts. First, why did Solich come to Ohio? It wasn't for money, as he could have made more elsewhere. I think it was a combination of the fact that I think he liked Athens, he liked the way he was treated by the administration, and he liked the fans.

I recently sold my small business that I have run for 40 years. When I sold it, my average employee had been with me 20 years, with a longest of 39 years, and only one hired within the last 5 years. How did I keep employees? It wasn't money - I didn't pay the most around; I paid what I could afford. I was open and honest with them, and most of all, I treated them with respect every day, and complimented them when they did well. Also, I eliminated toxic employees, who liked to gossip negatively, and create disharmony. Based on my experience, keeping employees long term is more about daily personal respect, creating a pleasant work environment, and empowering the employees to solve problems that may arise, than anything else.

None of this really clarifies why Albin moved. We can know that it wasn't for money, because Ohio could have/would have matched the money, and because he didn't even demand the same money from Charlotte that they were paying their prior coach. So, maybe he likes Charlotte? Or, maybe there was something in his daily work life that made him wish to be somewhere else.

I don't think that speculating on what his motivations were, nor on whose fault it was, will lead us anywhere useful. If it becomes a pattern, and other coaches also leave, then questions should be asked. In the meantime, it's better to move on, wish Albin well in Charlotte, and hope that Cromer makes a wise choice in choosing a successor.

Last Edited: 12/13/2024 7:20:16 AM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 7:49:17 AM 
From what's been posted, Brian Smith seems like a good choice for the
next head coach.

Haven't read anything but positives about him.

No reason not to get it done before our bowl next week.

Just my $0.02.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 10:40:34 AM 
Laten007 wrote:
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.


The title of this tread is "Fire Cromer" so I don't think that everyone is hating Coach Albin for leaving. There are certainly some experiencing some sort of rejection type emotional from what I can tell, but for someone who is a family friend you also seem emotionally invested in your posts.

In addition to that, from what I can tell, there are a lot of us who are view this similar to how I do.

1. We're not surprised that he left but were pretty surprised that it was Charlotte
2. Don't hold any ill will for him at for choosing to do what was best for him.
3. Believe the dog was ill but don't think that's why he got off the bus and think that it wasn't a classy move at all on his part but aren't going to dwell on it
4. And if there was a falling out between Cromer and Albin could not really begin to guess who is more to blame.

On that fourth point, as has been said, if you have credible information on Albin's side of the story then I'm sure that a lot of Bobcats would love to hear it.
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 10:51:07 AM 
And if you do have any evidence of a fallout, don't use something called "Brobible" as your source. Please.
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 10:59:24 AM 
SBH wrote:
And if you do have any evidence of a fallout, don't use something called "Brobible" as your source. Please.


Brobible.com had a lengthy article on the situation.

As far as this situation goes, it seems they are as reliable as any other sports web site.

Haven't seen seen anyone dispute what that said.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 10:59:53 AM 
Victory wrote:
Laten007 wrote:
This whole thread is like a bunch of ex girlfriends who have been dumped lol. Cromer caused all of this.


The title of this tread is "Fire Cromer" so I don't think that everyone is hating Coach Albin for leaving. There are certainly some experiencing some sort of rejection type emotional from what I can tell, but for someone who is a family friend you also seem emotionally invested in your posts.

In addition to that, from what I can tell, there are a lot of us who are view this similar to how I do.

1. We're not surprised that he left but were pretty surprised that it was Charlotte
2. Don't hold any ill will for him at for choosing to do what was best for him.
3. Believe the dog was ill but don't think that's why he got off the bus and think that it wasn't a classy move at all on his part but aren't going to dwell on it
4. And if there was a falling out between Cromer and Albin could not really begin to guess who is more to blame.

On that fourth point, as has been said, if you have credible information on Albin's side of the story then I'm sure that a lot of Bobcats would love to hear it.


This is a pretty good summary. I don't think it’s like a breakup, feels more like a divorce where people on one side are trying to put literally all the blame on the other parent. Irreconcilable differences. Time to move on.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:11:36 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
SBH wrote:
And if you do have any evidence of a fallout, don't use something called "Brobible" as your source. Please.


Brobible.com had a lengthy article on the situation.

As far as this situation goes, it seems they are as reliable as any other sports web site.

Haven't seen seen anyone dispute what that said.


The article I saw didn't make any claims. It speculated just like everyone else.
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:22:54 AM 
Here's another idea of a way things could have gone wrong. I have no facts to support it; this is just me putting out a hypothetical situation that aligns with the facts that we do know, and which could have led us here. Suppose Charlotte contacted Tim, and told him that they wanted to make an offer to him, so he scheduled a trip to Charlotte. Next, suppose he told Julie when he was going to go, and that if Julie wanted to make him an offer, she should make it by that time, but since Julie had to get approval for a raise/new contract, and they weren't able to get an offer approved until just before the game. Meanwhile, Charlotte gave him their offer, and said "take it or leave it". It was better than he had, so he took it, only to get Ohio's offer too late to matter.

Is this possible?

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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:25:17 AM 
Yes.
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:28:39 AM 
Mike Coleman wrote:
This is a pretty good summary. I don't think it’s like a breakup, feels more like a divorce where people on one side are trying to put literally all the blame on the other parent. Irreconcilable differences. Time to move on.


I think that this may indeed be the case, but I come down on the side of the parent who was been here 20 years and earned his stripes rather than the one who seems more interested in NCAA politics than tending to the homefront. At least that my perception from the cheap seats.

This is not to say the TA did not act very impulsively and irrationally, but the blame for the breakup seems more on her side than his. Again, I have no more or less information than the average clueless internet poster, but that's my sense of the matter right now. If new data emerges, and I might change my tune.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:35:37 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Here's another idea of a way things could have gone wrong. I have no facts to support it; this is just me putting out a hypothetical situation that aligns with the facts that we do know, and which could have led us here. Suppose Charlotte contacted Tim, and told him that they wanted to make an offer to him, so he scheduled a trip to Charlotte. Next, suppose he told Julie when he was going to go, and that if Julie wanted to make him an offer, she should make it by that time, but since Julie had to get approval for a raise/new contract, and they weren't able to get an offer approved until just before the game. Meanwhile, Charlotte gave him their offer, and said "take it or leave it". It was better than he had, so he took it, only to get Ohio's offer too late to matter.

Is this possible?


I was writing my previous post in this thread while you posted this. I didn't see it until after that post. Your scenario does seem in line with the known facts. I just would add that the onus was on Julie to expedite the approval of a new contract/offer under these circumstances.

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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:52:46 AM 
What happened is for him to tell. Obviously, he was treated bad enough that he was willing to leave his children/new grand baby in Athens county. Also, the contract is the same amount of money as Ohio U basically. Just put 2 & 2 together.

Last Edited: 12/13/2024 11:53:35 AM by Laten007
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:54:59 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Here's another idea of a way things could have gone wrong. I have no facts to support it; this is just me putting out a hypothetical situation that aligns with the facts that we do know, and which could have led us here. Suppose Charlotte contacted Tim, and told him that they wanted to make an offer to him, so he scheduled a trip to Charlotte. Next, suppose he told Julie when he was going to go, and that if Julie wanted to make him an offer, she should make it by that time, but since Julie had to get approval for a raise/new contract, and they weren't able to get an offer approved until just before the game. Meanwhile, Charlotte gave him their offer, and said "take it or leave it". It was better than he had, so he took it, only to get Ohio's offer too late to matter.

Is this possible?


I think this is the most likely case. Here's what I guessed in another thread:

Quote:

My back of the envelope math is that Albin's name started popping up in rumors (Rice, Purdue, Charlotte, etc) and he tried to use that as leverage. But college sports are a small world, and Cromer knew Albin was choice 11 at Purdue, not in the running at Rice, and that Charlotte is a terrible job. She said some version of "we just renegotiated your deal 11 months ago, but if you think the market has changed, we can't stop you from interviewing". But the only market was Charlotte, and they made an offer. Albin took it back to OU, who needed time to get approval. In the meantime, Charlotte -- not wanting to lose out on choice number 2 if Albin said no -- told Albin his offer was exploding and that they wouldn't wait until after the MACC.

Behind door 1 was a million dollars a year. Behind door 2 was a potential raise, but of an uncertain amount. He was one year removed from negotiating with OU, and they were likely very transparent about budget and the administrations appetite for football salaries. So he signed with Charlotte and took the sure thing. He probably figured until he showed up in North Carolina, he could back out if needed. But he's not very savvy, and Charlotte leaked the deal post Championship to force his hand and make it harder to accept a counter.

And everything else -- his love of Athens, his terrible treatment at the hands of Julie Cromer, his poor, poor dog -- is just nonsense fan narrative to make themselves feel better about what was a purely rational choice.


I think the only issue with your timeline is that SBH said he heard from a reliable source that Albin signed the contract with Charlotte well before the MACC -- I'm pretty sure he said 5 days prior.

I have a feeling that Albin was trying to re-negotiate with OU before the Charlotte thing became an option, then tried to use Charlotte as leverage and then things with Charlotte moved fast and he overplayed his hand a bit.

It feels like there's an undercurrent in what his family/friends are posting that suggests they didn't want to take the Charlotte job, but were "forced" into it. That feels particularly hard to reconcile if he signed with Charlotte 5 days before the MACC.

Last Edited: 12/13/2024 12:06:41 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Fire Julie
   Posted: 12/13/2024 7:35:19 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I think the only issue with your timeline is that SBH said he heard from a reliable source that Albin signed the contract with Charlotte well before the MACC -- I'm pretty sure he said 5 days prior.
...

In my timeline, Tim had to make a decision by a certain time, probably a week before the MACC game, and he let Cromer know what that time was, but no Ohio offer arrived by that time, so he accepted the Charlotte offer.

I don't see Tim overplaying his hand so much as painting himself into a corner. With no offer from Ohio, he had to either say "ok, I'll just stay with what I have" or accept the Charlotte offer. I see the late Ohio offer as window dressing, perhaps not intentionally so, but one still the same. The decision had already been made, even though Ohio offered more than Charlotte, it didn't matter.


Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
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It feels like there's an undercurrent in what his family/friends are posting that suggests they didn't want to take the Charlotte job, but were "forced" into it. That feels particularly hard to reconcile if he signed with Charlotte 5 days before the MACC.

I don't see a problem with the view that he was forced to make a decision early, and that he felt that his only real choice was to accept the Charlotte offer. He didn't have an option of saying "please Charlotte, wait, I think Ohio maybe will make me an offer at some point." Well, he could have asked, but they would have said "no".

In the end, I think Charlotte will work out fine for him. They are in a big city, and a higher rated conference. He should be able to attract better recruits than he can now, and he probably will have more NIL money. It isn't the ending we all wanted, but both Albin and Ohio need to put this in the rear view mirror, and proceed forward.

Last Edited: 12/13/2024 7:40:47 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 12/13/2024 7:54:37 PM 
Looks like the A.D. and administration are going to make the same mistake with Smith they made with Albin. Waiting too long to make an offer.
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   Posted: 12/13/2024 8:00:12 PM 
What I don't or have not seen is any evidence of Ohio/Cromer being Proactive/Anticipating what was pretty well Expected......And expected well before the MACC game.....

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   Posted: 12/13/2024 9:06:46 PM 
I need to air one more opinion on the topic and then move on. I'm not upset that Albin left - only at the way he left.

The mantra now is that "college football is big business". That is quite true, whether we like it or not.

College football coaches are just that - coaches, not businessmen, something which was painfully evident in this situation. Albin was the CEO of what is the largest division of the Bobcat Athletics Corporation, the Football Division. At $700K+, he was compensated pretty well, especially for Athens Ohio locality pay.

His division had just accomplished a goal which was over 50 years in the making. A goal that was expressed as the prime directive every year, but was never achieved. On the very night of accomplishing the goal, he slinked away in the night, either out of embarrassment, a sense of being disrespected, or a sick dog.

If I were CEO of Bobcat Athletics Corporation, my unequivocal expectation would be, no matter which of the three excuses were true, my CEO of the Football division, reach down and grab a pair and stay on the @#$% bus with the team which finally accomplished that coveted goal, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient.

If the division CEO did not, they could pack up their desk immediately...which I guess he did.

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   Posted: 12/13/2024 11:26:19 PM 
AlumDadDad wrote:
I need to air one more opinion on the topic and then move on. I'm not upset that Albin left - only at the way he left.

The mantra now is that "college football is big business". That is quite true, whether we like it or not.

College football coaches are just that - coaches, not businessmen, something which was painfully evident in this situation. Albin was the CEO of what is the largest division of the Bobcat Athletics Corporation, the Football Division. At $700K+, he was compensated pretty well, especially for Athens Ohio locality pay.

His division had just accomplished a goal which was over 50 years in the making. A goal that was expressed as the prime directive every year, but was never achieved. On the very night of accomplishing the goal, he slinked away in the night, either out of embarrassment, a sense of being disrespected, or a sick dog.

If I were CEO of Bobcat Athletics Corporation, my unequivocal expectation would be, no matter which of the three excuses were true, my CEO of the Football division, reach down and grab a pair and stay on the @#$% bus with the team which finally accomplished that coveted goal, no matter how uncomfortable or inconvenient.

If the division CEO did not, they could pack up their desk immediately...which I guess he did.


Agree

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   Posted: 12/14/2024 12:27:19 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
Looks like the A.D. and administration are going to make the same mistake with Smith they made with Albin. Waiting too long to make an offer.


Seems to be true . . . unless, please read below.

RSBobcat wrote:
What I don't or have not seen is any evidence of Ohio/Cromer being Proactive/Anticipating what was pretty well Expected......And expected well before the MACC game.....


Is the pattern we see here incompetence or part of a plan? Perhaps they had no intention of being proactive, even if they anticipated what the outcome would be. I certainly can't rule that out at this juncture, and the slowness of acting now that Albin has flown the coup could be signaling what's ahead. So, are they making the same mistake again, or is it just step 2 in their master plan? I don't think we know enough yet to say for sure, but the possibility that it's not a mistake has me a tad worried.

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   Posted: 12/15/2024 7:46:49 AM 
"None of this really clarifies why Albin moved. We can know that it wasn't for money, because Ohio could have/would have matched the money, and because he didn't even demand the same money from Charlotte that they were paying their prior coach. So, maybe he likes Charlotte? Or, maybe there was something in his daily work life that made him wish to be somewhere else."


LC- good points above. You are correct in it wasn't all about money for Coach Albin. The guy still drives his old pick up truck to work. It was about how he was valued and treated. This administration didn't value him or treat him with the respect he deserved. Ask yourself this question? Why would a man who has worked in Athens for 20 years take a job for slightly more money? The athletic director failed to see that she had the best coach in the league and one of five coaches to win ten games three consecutive seasons in her own backyard. If you or I had a boss who didn't value us or treat us with the respect that we deserved, we may leave also.
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   Posted: 12/15/2024 7:53:32 AM 
"but the blame for the breakup seems more on her side than his."

OCF- you are exactly correct!! This is all on her. I realize that this university isn't all about athletics like the SEC and Big 10 institutions. Coach Albin didn't leave for a large sum of money. He was totally disrespected time and time again. If the AD had permitted a man to walk out the door at one of those larger institutions, then that AD would be walking out the door right behind them.
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