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Topic: BVP Free Throws

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FearLeon
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BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 9:53:50 PM

Can’t remember a guy wearing the green and white with his skill level and high basketball IQ so incredibly hideous at the foul line. It makes no sense. And now it’s contributing to us losing games.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Lande71
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 9:56:49 PM

Absolutely horrible!

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 9:57:43 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Could not agree more. Maybe he should try the Wilt Chamberlain underhanded method. Couldn’t do worse.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 9:57:59 PM

FearLeon wrote:

Remember when some in this space thought he wasn't even a D1 talent when he was recruited? 😂

At least now this is really his only weakness - albeit a glaring one.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 9:58:09 PM

He shot above 70% last year...

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 10:01:39 PM

By contrast, NIU 6-2 Cochran, a career 55% FT shooter, hits 4 of 6. Not to mention he outworked everyone on the floor and ended up with 10 rebounds.

OUs LONG Driver
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 10:07:25 PM

The Optimist wrote:

He shot above 70% last year...

Ivo Baltic did too his freshman year if I remember right. He regularly went to the line and converted that year. Sophomore year he got the yips and he did everything possible to not get fouled in the next 2 years and it completely decimated his effectiveness. It was absolutely incredible. I really hope we're not going to see BVP do something similar.

BVP has to improve this. I'm sure it's driving him nuts but but when it's going so bad sometimes you have to change something (move back, change routine, move to the side, SOMETHING).

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 10:28:38 PM

There is no comparison here to the Ivo situation.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/28/2020 11:30:50 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There is no comparison here to the Ivo situation.

BVP had a ton of family and friends in the house. I feel for the guy, honestly. He just lost it. 7 missed FT. Foster missed one - everyone else hit 100%. Tough loss.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 7:29:47 AM

Not sure why the staff is not able to spend a bit of time individually and take his free throw shooting apart and fix it. Just watching him, there is no consistent approach and method through the entire free throw. No 2 attempts look the same. Changing his method mid season can't make it any worse.

Eagle66
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 7:47:19 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

He shot above 70% last year...

Ivo's FT percentages were perplexing to watch. I couldn't remember how many he shot his senior year but I knew it wasn't many... didn't realize it was only 13 though.

2009-10 = 26/52 50%
2010-11 = 94/120 78.3%
2011-12 = 44/86 51.2%
2012-13 = 5/13 38.5%

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ivo-baltic-1...

Last Edited: 1/29/2020 7:47:36 AM by Eagle66

FearLeon
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 7:51:18 AM

Eagle66 wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

The Optimist wrote:

He shot above 70% last year...

Incredible stat. I knew the attempts were few his senior year...but my god.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 7:52:06 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There is no comparison here to the Ivo situation.

Why isn't there? A player who shot 70%+ one year and around %50 the next? It was actually Ivo's Sophomore year he shot well so I had that wrong, then it went into the tank.

I'm not suggesting it's going to happen to BVP but there's certainly a comparison to be made. Being physical is a key part of his game so he has plenty of chances from the line and makes it even more important that he convert. If he has a few more games like last night I could see it impacting how he plays the game. Let's hope that's not the case.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 8:06:13 AM

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There is no comparison here to the Ivo situation.

Not to answer for another person, but from my perspective it's different because Ivo got so scared of that free throw line he changed his game to AVOID going to the line.

It's mind boggling to me that he's taken this much of a step back. It has to be mental right now. I could see the frustration in his face when the camera was on him after a miss. I honestly told my wife while we were watching I was surprised NIU didn't start fouling him intentionally to thwart our comeback attempt. Hack-a-Plas.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 8:11:54 AM

Ivo Baltic's free throws is one of the more fascinating stories in my Bobcat fandom. The turning point can be traced back to him air balling a free throw mid way thru his Junior year. From then on out, it was fadeaway after fadeaway with almost no willingness to attack the basket. It probably destroyed what was likely to be a decent career in Europe.

BVP is a tough confident dude, I am not worried about a similar situation occurring. He will work to fix it, and at a minimum he will not stop attacking the basket.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 8:18:27 AM

100%Cat wrote:

OUs LONG Driver wrote:

Jeff McKinney wrote:

There is no comparison here to the Ivo situation.

That's pretty much exactly what I'm saying. BVP is at the exact point where it went wrong for Ivo (a year after a good year, mid way through, airballed a free throw, etc.) Again, I absolutely do NOT think this is going to happen to BVP, but it's as close of a comparison as there could possibly be so saying there's "No comparison" is silly.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 10:14:02 AM

longtiimelurker wrote:

You are correct, the basketball staff has never worked on FT's, every poor FT shooter in the world is the product of poor coaching, because FT's are obviously easy! Which is why the national average has never been 70% or above.

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sports/basketball/04fr...

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 11:17:26 AM

He'll be fine.

El Gato Roberto
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 12:05:02 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

He'll be fine.

Agree

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longtiimelurker
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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 6:03:41 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

Thanks for the article. What was your point in posting? To point out the quote “A lot of coaches don’t want to spend time on it in practice,” said Blake Ahearn “They want to work on defenses and offenses and schemes.” or to highlight "Coaches admit to baselines of acceptability for their players and teams. When numbers slip, time is devoted to improvement. When they rebound, the game’s other facets take precedence." Maybe you thought that since 70 per cent is the norm we should not be concerned or question if there has been some individual attention to the individual that is critical to this particular team at this point in the season.

Asking the question is not indicting anyone, it was a simple question connected to the observation that looking and rewinding his free throws shows no consistency from one to the next. His 3 following his 3 pt attempt showed that all 3 were released and followed through differently. Just an observation that makes one wonder. If you have the answer to what the coaches have done that would suffice.

It was interesting to see former MAC coach Hunsaker quoted in there. He was quoted back in the 90s when we played them about his free throw methodology, something I always remembered about his teams. His 2 sons seem to have learned it as they are have shot free throws well at Brown and UV as have a few of Coach's UVU players. Thanks for the article. it is informative though it does raise a few questions

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 6:24:09 PM

longtiimelurker wrote:

His 3 following his 3 pt attempt showed that all 3 were released and followed through differently. Just an observation that makes one wonder.

Problematic. No baseline to come back to if an adjustment is needed.

Simple solution: get him film on Mighty MAC Earl Boykins stoking it and ask BVP to report back to the team what he discovered. Things like pre-shot routine, focus, concentration, consistent release and bang!

Watching BVP year over year I am so impressed with how he has added putting the ball on the floor and going strong to the hoop vs not initiating moves. I thought he was completely one dimensional and timid about mixing it up underneath. Really surprised how much progress he has made. Imagine how much greater he will be as he continues to develop nailing threes, going to the hoop, getting fouled and then coolly knocking down free throw after free throw.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 6:47:53 PM

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

I was just agreeing with you, coaches don’t care, it’s obvious or all players would be making that easy shot every time.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 7:10:57 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

I was just agreeing with you, coaches don’t care, it’s obvious or all players would be making that easy shot every time.

OK. I wasn't sure if you were being snarky and sarcastic or if you had a coach's view that we may benefit from hearing. I do not think that coaches do not care. I do not think that coaches think it will work itself out. We all heard Groce and his yammerings on the subject when his kids were missing. I was more interested in how they are approaching his current woes. Your assertion that free throws are easy is inaccurate as the article shows. It also shows that those who value points on the board put them as a priority.

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 8:50:24 PM

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

I was just agreeing with you, coaches don’t care, it’s obvious or all players would be making that easy shot every time.

Billy's obviously out of his element here if he believes that the basketball staff has never worked on FT's - why do you think that?

And I dispute that every poor FT shooter in the world is the product of poor coaching.

Or maybe he was really being snarky - hard to believe I know - but maybe...

Last Edited: 1/29/2020 8:50:40 PM by cc-cat

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RE: BVP Free Throws

Posted: 1/29/2020 9:02:59 PM

cc-cat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

longtiimelurker wrote:

I was just agreeing with you, coaches don’t care, it’s obvious or all players would be making that easy shot every time.

That was the statement made in another post (Longtime said:, not mine. I was just agreeing to agree. Check the record: “ Not sure why the staff is not able to spend a bit of time individually and take his free throw shooting apart and fix it.” That is clearly an implication that the staff is NOT working on FT’s

Last Edited: 1/29/2020 9:04:56 PM by BillyTheCat

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