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Topic: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Topic: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

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shabamon
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OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 9:48:31 AM

https://footballscoop.com/news/bishop-sycamore-online-onl...

Anyone in Columbus hear of this place? I guess it's kind of a prep program? Its website is a blog, its address is an office park. They played and lost to a Pennsylvania team on Friday, then went and lost by nearly 60 to IMG Academy on SUNDAY on ESPN. The commentators were even wondering on air whether they had been duped. What is this?

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 10:49:10 AM

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Woah. I was tuning into one of the games on Saturday morning and saw the Bishop Sycamore name come up on the schedule of aired games. I did think to myself that I had never heard of them but didn't follow up on it.

This is just strange on all levels. Is it even a highschool or is this like a club team? So many questions.

Who is in charge here? Playing 2 games in a weekend and against IMG Academy of all opponents, seems...not smart?

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 10:50:20 AM by spongeBOB CATpants

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:02:13 AM

It seems as if it ws some kind of a scam. This is an online charter school. There is no brick and morter Bishop Sycamore in Columbus as was announced. ESPN was duped, along with others. The school played an NBA type schedule, 3 games in a week? I am not sure how the OHSAA is going to handle this. How ESPN got talked into this is beyond me.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/espn-broadcasting-ohio-hs-...

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:15:34 AM

By the name it�s an exclusive Catholic private school, in the vein of a Bishop Watterson or Bishop Hartley. Monsenior Sycamore was a good guy back in the day.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:19:40 AM

OHSAA has nothing on them and they're not listed among "community" (i.e., charter) schools or online schools on the Ohio Dept of Education's website. Unless they have a deal with some of the local schools to educate the players, I can't see any D1 or D2 school taking them.

Sounds like a baseball academy down south I read about a few years ago. Promised to teach the kids baseball while giving them an adequate education. They played a lot of baseball but were taught very little and the kids were underfed and lived in a rundown, seedy motel.

As for ESPN, to quote Nelson from The Simpsons, "ha-hah." If they're willing to go beyond state high school associations and have some marketing firm schedule games for them, they get what they deserve. You'd think somebody in Bristol would be in charge of due diligence.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:22:17 AM

Man, the NIL continues to wreck the formerly pristine institution of high school football.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:40:36 AM

shabamon wrote:

It's a total scam! They tried to get into the OHSAA 3 years ago and were denied, they were denied the ext year because most of their players are over 18 and have already graduated high school. Their original intent was to be like IMG, Oak Hill Academy, Huntington St. Joe, etc.,. It is not currently associated with any religious entity or brick and motar school.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:43:07 AM

cbus cat fan wrote:

The OHSAA is NOT going to handle this, they are NOT in the OHSAA, and not subject to the rules of the OHSAA. Any OHIO school that plays them does NOT get any Harbin points. Belfrey KY, was to play them two years ago, but the KHSAA would not sanction the game since the OHSAA would not sanction the game. Interesting though, Johnson Central will still play them this coming week.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:44:10 AM

Pataskala wrote:

Most of these players have already graduated from High School.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:47:37 AM

Hoban waxed them in week 1. They're scheduled to play St. Edward later in the year. Can Ed's say screw it, cancel that game, and see who's available that date after inevitable Covid cancellations?

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:48:37 AM

Yep, not sure why or how this outfit got St. Ed's and such on the schedule.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 11:51:28 AM

Any player who has already graduated HS shouldn't be playing HS teams. They should be classified as JUCO.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 12:37:24 PM

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Yep, not sure why or how this outfit got St. Ed's and such on the schedule.

I've got no doubt St Ed's knew when they scheduled them this wasn't going to be a competitive opponent.

Ohio's big private-school powerhouses (Ed's, Iggy, St X, Elder, etc) have a lot of trouble finding local teams willing to lose to them... You don't get any playoff points for playing good opponents and losing, so for any decent Ohio high school trying to make the playoffs, there isn't much incentive to schedule these games...

We've discussed on this board that you will occasional see Ohio high school powerhouses playing random Canadian teams just to fill up their schedule. Those games often have similar score-lines...

edit: St Ed's actually played Bishop Sycamore last year. 35-8 final and the only reason it wasn't much worse is because Ed's let off the gas early...
fwiw here is Bishop Sycamore's full 2020 schedule:
http://www.joeeitel.com/hsfoot/teams.jsp?teamID=9920&year...

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 12:45:17 PM by The Optimist

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 12:45:09 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Any player who has already graduated HS shouldn't be playing HS teams. They should be classified as JUCO.

Could a law suit follow?

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 12:55:16 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Any player who has already graduated HS shouldn't be playing HS teams. They should be classified as JUCO.

Could a law suit follow?

Who are what are you going to file a law suit against? For?

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 12:58:42 PM

"The roster appears to be filled with several players who might have already graduated high school from other states. The quarterback that played against IMG Academy was Jailen Knight, whose Twitter account said he is a three-star prospect in the 2023 class, while his bio links him to a Hudl page for Perry Hall High School in Baltimore, Maryland. Meanwhile, a 247Sports recruiting page lists Knight as an unrecruited QB, who graduated in 2021. Trillian Harris lists himself on Hudl as a senior quarterback for Bishop Sycamore, while a 247Sports page has him as a California QB in the 2021 class that went unrecruited, and footage from his Hudl page appears to confirm he played for Mission Viejo. Lineman Javan Peterson lists himself as a junior on Hudl, but his timeline shows highlights from a sophomore year in 2018 � which would make him a 2021 grad � while he was playing with CoF Academy in Columbus."

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/espn-h...

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 1:18:28 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Any player who has already graduated HS shouldn't be playing HS teams. They should be classified as JUCO.

Could a law suit follow?

Who are what are you going to file a law suit against? For?

This is news well outside of Ohio.

Opposing team or player could file a lawsuit claiming endangerment since the players are over age and the school lied about it and put the players out there regardless.. Yes, they stink, and are outmuscled, but Bishop Sycamore has money stashed somewhere - which a lawyer will sniff out - all you need is one player from the Pennsylvania game that limped off and he's your plaintiff. Sycamore won't even think about going to court as the depositions / discovery efforts would unearth (I'm guessing) way more skeletons. Wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing shuts down almost immediately - which will lead to their own "students" - players filing lawsuits. It's obviously a scam and someone was making money - lawsuits always follow the money.

Obviously if ESPN was duped, they will make an example of the school.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pick up my room key at the Holiday Inn Express

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 1:29:03 PM by cc-cat

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 1:37:19 PM

If you are going to sue anyone, it would be your own school for playing an unsanctioned school.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 1:46:29 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

If you are going to sue anyone, it would be your own school for playing an unsanctioned school.

Not if they did not know the opposing team was playing over-aged / illegal kids. Plus Sto-Rox is a public school district, more money suing a private school.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 1:47:01 PM

cc-cat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

Pataskala wrote:

Any player who has already graduated HS shouldn't be playing HS teams. They should be classified as JUCO.

Could a law suit follow?

Who are what are you going to file a law suit against? For?

There's always a suit to be filed. Just ask any of the lawyers involved in the plot to overturn the 2020 election. How many did they file, 80 or so?

A suit against Bishop Sycamore (their initials should have raised red flags) might actually have a chance to succeed, given there might be a basis for fraud, misrepresentation, breach of contract if they're shut down, reckless endangerment given the number of games they play in a week, and a host of other grounds that their players, opposing players, ESPN, the scheduler, and maybe others could come up with. And if BS is sued or is forced to shut down, look for them to file for bankruptcy, although if they're somehow actually connected to the Catholic Church, there's a deep pocket.

ESPN apparently is making an example of the school by airing a replay of the game tomorrow night at 8:00 on ESPNU. Subject to change without notice.

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 1:49:45 PM by Pataskala

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 2:10:54 PM

cc-cat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

If you are going to sue anyone, it would be your own school for playing an unsanctioned school.

Not if they did not know the opposing team was playing over-aged / illegal kids. Plus Sto-Rox is a public school district, more money suing a private school.

Again, it's NOT illegal if the team is unsanctioned!!! Unsanctioned teams play by their own rules. Should people sue one of our players who played HS football after they graduated?

And this school is NOT new, IMG has been playing them, Massillon plays them, St. Ed's, Hoban. They are members of a league.

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 2:33:51 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 3:02:30 PM

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Again, it's NOT illegal if the team is unsanctioned!!! Unsanctioned teams play by their own rules.

I don't question your unequalled knowledge of all things HS sports, but in this case you need to take off the administration hat and put on a legal hat. If BS told Sto Rox the players were indeed HS athletes and they were not, that is fraud. BS can play by their own rules, but the opponents need to be be in on it. BS apparently sent opponents (and ESPN) fake rosters. That may not break any sanctioned / unsanctioned rules, but it is fraud. And if my son got his knee blown out by a 22 year old posing as a HS player with the knowledge of the opposing team and school AND WITHOUT the knowledge of my team (which has documents saying said 22 year old is HS age), then I'm suing and I'm winning. And no judge is going rule Bishop Sycamore can do what they want because the game was unsanctioned.

Now if Sto Rox knowing played agains a team with older kids, fine - I hear ya. But given the false info presented to ESPN and other opponents, I think it wise to see just how deceptive BS may have been in representing their team.

A judge may not have authority over a game being unsanctioned, but they do rule with respect to fraud.

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 3:10:25 PM by cc-cat

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 3:13:26 PM

cc-cat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Again, it's NOT illegal if the team is unsanctioned!!! Unsanctioned teams play by their own rules.

Again, this school is NOT new, I do not care what ESPN says, opponents know/knew what they are getting when they schedule these people. Like I also said, we have our own player who did exactly this, in a sanctioned body. Just because you are just hearing about this dog and pony show does not mean others have not.

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 3:25:28 PM

You / We have no idea what Sto Rox was told. So don't presume all dirty dogs lie together. Sto-Rox is hardly a football machine or power - The issue is what was told to them. And you (nor I) have any idea. But if it was false, the "well these type of schools..." is not an excuse, Just as "well it was unsanctioned" is not a get out of a lawsuit defense. Also - just an FYI - I'm fully aware of the the BS type of school. We actually have them there type here in NC believe it or not. In fact, OHIO has recruited from them (in both football and basketball).

And here's a shocker, If one of our players lied about his age and played HS sports past his eligibility then yes, I think he should be held accountable -- as should anyone that knowingly enabled it to happen - and certainly if they forged documents to make it happen. I don't give any credence to the "everyone does it" defense - and most courts don't either.

Again (since you like to use that word), if its found Sto-Rox was in on the - "yea their much older" pact, then fine, but if not, courts and fraud do not care about the "but its unsanctioned" and "you all knew they were sleazy" defenses (especially since it does not appear to be some rogue kid, but rather a team / school wide situation -- often called "lack of institutional control" in other arenas.

Last Edited: 8/30/2021 4:03:38 PM by cc-cat

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RE: OT: Bishop Sycamore - What exactly is this?

Posted: 8/30/2021 4:16:52 PM

Just saw a tweet that stated the head coach has an active warrant out for his arrest. Unverified but something to keep an eye on.

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