Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board
BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Basketball
Topic:  RE: Recruiting Bigs

Topic:  RE: Recruiting Bigs
Author
Message
FormerMember
General User

Member Since: 1/7/2022
Post Count: 300

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 2:16:04 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FormerMember wrote:


I agree with your point about mobility and shooting but you often lose rim protection and rebounding when young players are more focused on those skills than being tough down low. Maybe what Boals needs to do is sacrifice shooting/extending the floor in favor of getting bruisers in the paint on both sides of the court.

You can't reach the NBA by being exclusively a back to the basket kind of player. Young players model their game off the people at the top. Everyone is trying to stretch the floor and wants to put up shots from deep.

That's why Boals recruits the way he does. Clayton/Evans/Hadaway are all in that mold because that's what young players want to be and they were all 3 star recruits for that reason.


You're the second person to suggest that Evans is in that mold. Is he a shooter? I just watched as many highlight videos as I could find, and none of them involved touches outside. They're just short clips from last year though, and may not be comprehensive. I would have thought Evans' best case is more of a Jon Smith/Flomo type. Not a big body, but long enough to rebound and change shots.


FormerMember wrote:

Sure, you can still find traditional centers but there's not a ton of them out there and the ones available at the mid-major level are typically raw and need more time to develop. Wiz was once high regarded. The miss rate on centers at our level is really high.


This is definitely true. Agree with you here. A guy who is 6'11 is basically a top 100 recruit, and it means nothing.

What I'd like to see is more big bodies, even if those bodies aren't that tall. Texas State wasn't a tall team, but they were much stronger than us. I think we're going to continue to struggle despite our talent for basically as long as we all have to pretend that Aiden Hadaway is a "big." He was a wing in high school and recruited as a wing. He's not quite skilled enough as a wing, so we have him playing up a position.

FormerMember wrote:

We definitely need more balance in that regard but would you rather recruit lesser players just because they're marginally better in the paint? What Boals needs to do better is develop his big men better and develop a tougher mentality down low. It doesn't need to just be fixed by recruiting. Coaching plays a role too.


It feels like a false premise to suggest that my stance is we need to recruit lesser players. But we seem to consistently load up on wings and guards, and plenty of them don't hit. Last year, Cornish was basically a wasted roster spot. Ben Nicol hasn't played a minute. Burris is injured, but in that same wing mold. Our recruiting class next year includes two small forwards and two shooting guards.

I get we're not gonna get the 7 footer unless he's a project. But we need more strength. It doesn't have to be a blue chip guy, and he doesn't have to be particularly talented. But somebody who can protect the paint and rebound at this point's far preferable to another 6'7 (in recruiting world, but actually 6'4) wing who is 180lbs.

The team has had the exact same deficit for 2 seasons now. Just hoping Boals acknowledges that, and this isn't just a symptom of Boals ball.



I agree with most of what you're saying. We don't necessarily need more size but we definitely need more physicality in the paint.

It's a tough conversation for me because I agree with heavily targeting wings and guards at the mid-major level and think Boals is one of many coaches at this level with that type of strategy.

He's had success with it but our upside is clearly limited without better forwards who can bring more consistency down low when our outside shooting is off.

We'll see if Boals changes his recruiting priorities in future years. I still want to see more of the season play out before making major proclamations because I believe this roster will eventually figure things out in conference play.

Last Edited: 11/27/2024 11:23:45 AM by FormerMember
Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 3,998

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 12:21:20 PM 
We're aligned, I think.

I'm all for talented wings/guards, and I'm a pretty big proponent of position-less basketball. But the teams that play that way have the flexibility to match other teams style, when needed. Golden State is obviously the most famous example, but everything they do hinges on Draymond Green's incredibly unique defensive versatility. Right now, we're basically asking Clayton to fulfill that role. He can't.

And, worth noting, that every championship team Golden State had included a true 5 in the rotation, and often one in the starting 5, depending on matchup. Bogut and Ezeli gave them matchup flexibility, on top of Green's unicorn skill set.

I still don't think we know if Boals is trying to build a "position-less" small ball team, or if he's just failing to sign true bigs. There are enough data points to suggest each that I think one could easily assume either is true.

But I will say this: if the approach to bigs that we've seen on the court reflects his preference, I think we're in trouble.
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,680

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 2:27:19 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
FormerMember wrote:


I agree with your point about mobility and shooting but you often lose rim protection and rebounding when young players are more focused on those skills than being tough down low. Maybe what Boals needs to do is sacrifice shooting/extending the floor in favor of getting bruisers in the paint on both sides of the court.

You can't reach the NBA by being exclusively a back to the basket kind of player. Young players model their game off the people at the top. Everyone is trying to stretch the floor and wants to put up shots from deep.

That's why Boals recruits the way he does. Clayton/Evans/Hadaway are all in that mold because that's what young players want to be and they were all 3 star recruits for that reason.


You're the second person to suggest that Evans is in that mold. Is he a shooter? I just watched as many highlight videos as I could find, and none of them involved touches outside. They're just short clips from last year though, and may not be comprehensive. I would have thought Evans' best case is more of a Jon Smith/Flomo type. Not a big body, but long enough to rebound and change shots.


FormerMember wrote:

Sure, you can still find traditional centers but there's not a ton of them out there and the ones available at the mid-major level are typically raw and need more time to develop. Wiz was once high regarded. The miss rate on centers at our level is really high.


This is definitely true. Agree with you here. A guy who is 6'11 is basically a top 100 recruit, and it means nothing.

What I'd like to see is more big bodies, even if those bodies aren't that tall. Texas State wasn't a tall team, but they were much stronger than us. I think we're going to continue to struggle despite our talent for basically as long as we all have to pretend that Aiden Hadaway is a "big." He was a wing in high school and recruited as a wing. He's not quite skilled enough as a wing, so we have him playing up a position.

FormerMember wrote:

We definitely need more balance in that regard but would you rather recruit lesser players just because they're marginally better in the paint? What Boals needs to do better is develop his big men better and develop a tougher mentality down low. It doesn't need to just be fixed by recruiting. Coaching plays a role too.


It feels like a false premise to suggest that my stance is we need to recruit lesser players. But we seem to consistently load up on wings and guards, and plenty of them don't hit. Last year, Cornish was basically a wasted roster spot. Ben Nicol hasn't played a minute. Burris is injured, but in that same wing mold. Our recruiting class next year includes two small forwards and two shooting guards.

I get we're not gonna get the 7 footer unless he's a project. But we need more strength. It doesn't have to be a blue chip guy, and he doesn't have to be particularly talented. But somebody who can protect the paint and rebound at this point's far preferable to another 6'7 (in recruiting world, but actually 6'4) wing who is 180lbs.

The team has had the exact same deficit for 2 seasons now. Just hoping Boals acknowledges that, and this isn't just a symptom of Boals ball.



I agree with most of what you're saying. We don't necessarily need more size but we definitely need more physicality in the paint.



Ding...Ding....Ding. I'm not saying we always need to have a 6'10 guy every year in the paint. But man...even someone like Tylan Pope (Texas State)....6'6....6'7...240-250 wide body with muscle who rebounds. I believe Boals was counting on someone like this the last few years to be a Pope like player....who is even a little taller than Pope....his name is Bahamas Ezuma.

Last Edited: 11/27/2024 2:28:42 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
bobcat 2000
General User

Member Since: 1/21/2006
Post Count: 211

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 5:40:09 PM 
jeff boals may have played for larry hunter but he,s most certainly not the recruiter larry hunter was.hunter brought in solid bigs like gary trent, curtis simmons, pat flomo, and diante flenorl. this was augmented with guards like gus jhonson, cory reed, and geno ford. these are the kind of players jeff needs to recruit in order to help with issues like 3 shot D and rebounding.
Back to Top
  
bobcat 2000
General User

Member Since: 1/21/2006
Post Count: 211

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 5:49:58 PM 
if not then we,ll be reliving 1998. boals played for larry hunter and knew what larry was bringing in. jeff needs to start thinking about recruiting Gary trent diante flenorl devaugn washington type bigs. and supplement that with corey reed and gus jhonson like back court players.
Back to Top
  
BobcatWarrior
General User

Member Since: 11/4/2010
Post Count: 37

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/27/2024 8:20:29 PM 
We need to find at least one hs post every year and also look to JUCO or "high-major"for transfer. Early indications are this is a need.

A bit surprised by our seemingly lack of focus here. Boals' teams as a player thrived with solid bigs.

I wonder if the transition of the game to a perimeter game leaves less "posts" to recruit.

Curious why nobody has looked at Andrew Hoerner of Miamisburg. 3rd Team All-State D1 as a junior. Plays high- level AAU. 6'8". Only offer I can find is D2 Ashland?!

Saw him play tonight. Skilled, fundamentally, VERY nice shooter mid range and out. Good instincts to block shots and on D.

I must be missing something. I see D1 player.

Back to Top
  
El Gato Roberto
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Buffalo Grove, IL
Post Count: 1,220

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/28/2024 5:16:35 PM 
Watching Illinois play today. Underwood looks like he’s broken the code by recruiting bigs from Eastern Europe and a guard from Canada. He’s got a 7’1” Center who can board and hit from three. He also has a 6’6” F from Lithuania who is a solid guy on the wing. The PG from Canada has decent handles, can drive, finish or dish. It’s a total remade roster. Maybe our guys need to expand their recruiting pond?

"The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you."
Back to Top
  
FJC31
General User

Member Since: 3/31/2022
Post Count: 1,786

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/28/2024 6:28:06 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
Watching Illinois play today. Underwood looks like he’s broken the code by recruiting bigs from Eastern Europe and a guard from Canada. He’s got a 7’1” Center who can board and hit from three. He also has a 6’6” F from Lithuania who is a solid guy on the wing. The PG from Canada has decent handles, can drive, finish or dish. It’s a total remade roster. Maybe our guys need to expand their recruiting pond?


Watched this game as well. Jakucionis and Ivisic are nice, combined for 44 points tonight.

We did offer Alan Gballou who was from Paris. I agree, though. Would love to see an international recruiting channel open more.
Back to Top
  
bobcatsquared
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 5,386

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/28/2024 7:27:00 PM 
Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada.

Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program.
Back to Top
  
El Gato Roberto
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Buffalo Grove, IL
Post Count: 1,220

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/28/2024 7:33:11 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada.

Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program.


That’s pretty smart. I hope we can adjust our targets.

"The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you."
Back to Top
  
BillyTheCat
General User

Member Since: 10/6/2012
Post Count: 10,306

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/29/2024 6:53:47 AM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
if not then we,ll be reliving 1998. boals played for larry hunter and knew what larry was bringing in. jeff needs to start thinking about recruiting Gary trent diante flenorl devaugn washington type bigs. and supplement that with corey reed and gus jhonson like back court players.


Thos guys are 50 years old now, not sure they could help us right now. Though Gary’s ball handling has improved.
Back to Top
  
Buckeye to Bobcat
General User

Member Since: 9/10/2013
Post Count: 1,811

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 11/29/2024 1:33:19 PM 
El Gato Roberto wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
Check out UB's roster: Freshmen Akot (6-7, Canada); Jackson (6-8, Canada); Meinarts (7-0, Latvia); Michaels (6-8, England); Migues-Hilbeljic (6-5, Canada); Oboh (6-11, England). Plus a sophomore from Australia and a senior from Canada.

Some of the frosh big men are playing quality minutes for the rebuilding program.


That’s pretty smart. I hope we can adjust our targets.


Not only that, legally you can't pay them NIL funds since they are here for the collegiate experience. Seems to be a cheaper and more effective route to go when it comes to finding bigs.
Back to Top
  
FearLeon
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 4,680

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/15/2024 11:31:07 AM 
Boals has to change his NIL strategy with bigs. In this era of college hoops, you can’t bring on projects. They have to play now. Evans not playing this year is a killer. Searls is serviceable, but he’s not a 20 minute big. He does what is needed off the bench. But we don’t have an athletic big. I would take a wide body like Wilson or an athlete like Devo Washington right now.

The Boals track record with bigs is atrocious.

Hits

Dwight Wilson
____

Decent

Sylvester Ogbonda
Vic Searls
_____

Misses

Foster
Granger
Miguel
Towns
Bahamas
The Whiz
_________

Incomplete

Evans (But not looking great)
Kuany (Redshirt)
________

They don’t have to be Enrique Freeman but gotta be at least decent. MAC worthy. And that is the problem at this position. Boals is not bringing in MAC worthy bigs. And I’m sorry….if it means not recruiting two 6’2 guards to pay a Myles Foster an extra 50k-75K you have to do it.





Last Edited: 12/15/2024 9:16:38 PM by FearLeon

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

Back to Top
  
Bobcat Jerry
General User

Member Since: 5/3/2017
Post Count: 275

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/15/2024 2:24:49 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
[QUOTE=FJC31]It's not an NIL issue, this how Boals prefers to build his roster. The Myles Fosters of the portal world cost a premium, but we don't need that. We need guys who man the paint, crash boards, and can be disruptive on defense. A slash of 5-6ppg, 5-8rpg, and 1-2bpg. You know why that doesn't cost $200K? Because that's currently our old friend Seth Towns. 6ppg/7rpg/1.5bpg.

Players with this skill-set are littered throughout the landscape from HS, JUCO, D2, and D3. I really just don't think Boals is looking at them because it's not his style. It's almost like he's trying to outsmart the basketball world with his position-less preference and 3pt shooting, while neglecting rebounding and physical play.


As in most things in life, there's a middle ground to this. It's not entirely NIL related as we've seen solid bigs at other mid-majors in similar situations to us financially but it definitely plays a role.

A player like Sam Towns went to Bowling Green because he wasn't satisfied with his role at Ohio. Do you think he enjoys scoring 6 ppg/7 rpg at BGSU? He's probably happier than he was at OU but he was definitely hoping to contribute more at BG than he has.

Could we use that type of player at Ohio? Absolutely but also realize that we had a log jam at the top of our roster with Clayton/Hadaway, a talented 3 star forward commit and a guard oriented roster. How many players are going to commit to a mid-major for lesser money for a role they'll have to earn and compete for. In hindsight, it's easy to see we lack at forward but Boals was probably banking on continued growth by Hadaway and Searls stepping up.

The athletes now want guaranteed money and playing time. Is Boals falling short in his efforts to recruit better forwards? Yes, but that's also why he switched from heavily targeting the portal to targeting Evans/Kuany last year.

We have a pair of young bigs with a bunch of potential. They're just not ready yet based on what Boals is seeing in practice. Forwards take more time to develop and unfortunately, when you're a team with high expectations that's underachieving, it's hard to be patient.



I’m not sure how to answer whether or not Towns is happy with his current statistical production — that’s on him and his ability. However, he’s putting up those numbers playing 28mpg. So, I’m sure he’s content with his role.

It’s wild to suggest that players at the HS, JUCO, D2, and D3 levels wouldn’t commit to a mid-major because they’d have to earn playing time. Searls and Evans are just that.

If competing for playing time is such an issue, why are so many guards/wings committing to us?

I’m with BLSS that finding guys who can play big isn’t a direct correlation of recruiting lesser players. It’s a choice of roster build and style.

We’ve both referred to Jon Smith as a profile example. These types aren’t lesser players nor are they impossible to land, but necessary to balance out a team relying heavily on 3PT shooting and playing smaller.

The potential of both Evans and Kuany is intriguing, sure. However, I expect Boals to know his roster well enough to determine if it makes sense to prioritize future potential over immediate need, or find a happy medium of both.


It comes down to whether you believe Boals is stubborn and not targeting those type of bigs or if he's been unable to attract them to come to Ohio.

I'm certain that Boals realizes the current configuration of the roster is lacking when it comes to forwards. That's why I think he's had legitimate issues recruiting big men because I choose to believe he's not blind to the problems we've had down low the past few years.

Just because Jon Smith types don't put up big numbers doesn't mean they're easy to recruit to schools like Ohio either. The reasons I say the things I say about the recruiting aspect is because I've had three D1 head coaches reiterate that to me multiple times over the past year.

Does Gary Trent hav any grandkids looking for starting as a freshman?
Back to Top
  
greencat
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 2,498

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/16/2024 8:24:01 AM 
Athletes are for track teams. We don't need athletic basketball players.

(sarcasm alert)
Back to Top
  
FJC31
General User

Member Since: 3/31/2022
Post Count: 1,786

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/16/2024 9:33:45 AM 
Bobcat Jerry wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
FJC31 wrote:
FormerMember wrote:
[QUOTE=FJC31]It's not an NIL issue, this how Boals prefers to build his roster. The Myles Fosters of the portal world cost a premium, but we don't need that. We need guys who man the paint, crash boards, and can be disruptive on defense. A slash of 5-6ppg, 5-8rpg, and 1-2bpg. You know why that doesn't cost $200K? Because that's currently our old friend Seth Towns. 6ppg/7rpg/1.5bpg.

Players with this skill-set are littered throughout the landscape from HS, JUCO, D2, and D3. I really just don't think Boals is looking at them because it's not his style. It's almost like he's trying to outsmart the basketball world with his position-less preference and 3pt shooting, while neglecting rebounding and physical play.


As in most things in life, there's a middle ground to this. It's not entirely NIL related as we've seen solid bigs at other mid-majors in similar situations to us financially but it definitely plays a role.

A player like Sam Towns went to Bowling Green because he wasn't satisfied with his role at Ohio. Do you think he enjoys scoring 6 ppg/7 rpg at BGSU? He's probably happier than he was at OU but he was definitely hoping to contribute more at BG than he has.

Could we use that type of player at Ohio? Absolutely but also realize that we had a log jam at the top of our roster with Clayton/Hadaway, a talented 3 star forward commit and a guard oriented roster. How many players are going to commit to a mid-major for lesser money for a role they'll have to earn and compete for. In hindsight, it's easy to see we lack at forward but Boals was probably banking on continued growth by Hadaway and Searls stepping up.

The athletes now want guaranteed money and playing time. Is Boals falling short in his efforts to recruit better forwards? Yes, but that's also why he switched from heavily targeting the portal to targeting Evans/Kuany last year.

We have a pair of young bigs with a bunch of potential. They're just not ready yet based on what Boals is seeing in practice. Forwards take more time to develop and unfortunately, when you're a team with high expectations that's underachieving, it's hard to be patient.



I’m not sure how to answer whether or not Towns is happy with his current statistical production — that’s on him and his ability. However, he’s putting up those numbers playing 28mpg. So, I’m sure he’s content with his role.

It’s wild to suggest that players at the HS, JUCO, D2, and D3 levels wouldn’t commit to a mid-major because they’d have to earn playing time. Searls and Evans are just that.

If competing for playing time is such an issue, why are so many guards/wings committing to us?

I’m with BLSS that finding guys who can play big isn’t a direct correlation of recruiting lesser players. It’s a choice of roster build and style.

We’ve both referred to Jon Smith as a profile example. These types aren’t lesser players nor are they impossible to land, but necessary to balance out a team relying heavily on 3PT shooting and playing smaller.

The potential of both Evans and Kuany is intriguing, sure. However, I expect Boals to know his roster well enough to determine if it makes sense to prioritize future potential over immediate need, or find a happy medium of both.


It comes down to whether you believe Boals is stubborn and not targeting those type of bigs or if he's been unable to attract them to come to Ohio.

I'm certain that Boals realizes the current configuration of the roster is lacking when it comes to forwards. That's why I think he's had legitimate issues recruiting big men because I choose to believe he's not blind to the problems we've had down low the past few years.

Just because Jon Smith types don't put up big numbers doesn't mean they're easy to recruit to schools like Ohio either. The reasons I say the things I say about the recruiting aspect is because I've had three D1 head coaches reiterate that to me multiple times over the past year.

Does Gary Trent hav any grandkids looking for starting as a freshman?




I choose to believe if someone truly wants to get something done, they'll find a way to do so.

In the case of Boals, I don't think he's turning over every rock to find guys who can help in the paint.

Over the last few portal seasons, nearly every big we've been connected to is a proven commodity at the mid-major level or ex-p5 looking for a bounce back. For now, let's just call these types out of our league for one reason or the other.

The only big we've been connected to outside of D1 before Searls was TJ Nesmith. He went from D2 to Radford. He doesn't shoot from 3.

Until we start getting proof bigs from JUCO and D2 won't come to Athens, I have hard time believing this is some NIL dilemma.

If this trend does continue, well then, unfortunately we're going to continue to get pummeled in non-conference and have to hope for the best come March with likely a MAC semis ceiling.

Last Edited: 12/16/2024 10:14:04 AM by FJC31
Back to Top
  
M.D.W.S.T
General User



Member Since: 12/23/2021
Post Count: 2,747

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/16/2024 9:37:10 AM 
FearLeon wrote:

They don’t have to be Enrique Freeman but gotta be at least decent. MAC worthy. And that is the problem at this position. Boals is not bringing in MAC worthy bigs. And I’m sorry….if it means not recruiting two 6’2 guards to pay a Myles Foster an extra 50k-75K you have to do it.



Freeman was a walk-on, someone told him about basketball tryouts at the rec center. Is anyone scouring PING for some big dudes with athleticism?
Back to Top
  
bobcat 2000
General User

Member Since: 1/21/2006
Post Count: 211

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/16/2024 5:20:55 PM 
larry hunter and tim oshea didnt have trouble recruiting bigs. tim brought in a couple of highly prized recruits named jerom tillman and leon williams. hunter brought iu gary trent, curtis simmons, and diante flenorl. flenorl chose us over villanova and connecticut plus a few other power schools. these are the player types we need. perhaps jeff might need to get out there and go get these type of player. couldn,t help notice jeff seems to have excuses for not scheduling big name schools to play us. o,shea never had trouble with that. he had us playing kansas and maryland. there was a time when virginia played in the convo. so did kentucky. and we went to UCLA AND IOWA. boals seems to do a good job as a coach but he needs to put more effort into getting interior plAYERS and scheduling tougher competition.
Back to Top
  
greencat
General User



Member Since: 3/12/2005
Post Count: 2,498

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/16/2024 5:38:09 PM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
and scheduling tougher competition.


He did get away games at Memphis and Belmont the last few years. Ole Miss is near Memphis and Belmont is literally walking distance to Vanderbilt. With travel expenses being what they are these days...squeeze in some money games.

Back to Top
  
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 3,998

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/17/2024 1:24:52 PM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
larry hunter and tim oshea didnt have trouble recruiting bigs. tim brought in a couple of highly prized recruits named jerom tillman and leon williams. hunter brought iu gary trent, curtis simmons, and diante flenorl. flenorl chose us over villanova and connecticut plus a few other power schools. these are the player types we need. perhaps jeff might need to get out there and go get these type of player. couldn,t help notice jeff seems to have excuses for not scheduling big name schools to play us. o,shea never had trouble with that. he had us playing kansas and maryland. there was a time when virginia played in the convo. so did kentucky. and we went to UCLA AND IOWA. boals seems to do a good job as a coach but he needs to put more effort into getting interior plAYERS and scheduling tougher competition.


I think we should consider joining the ACC or Big East. Would definitely help attract those sorts of guys.
Back to Top
  
OhioCatFan
General User



Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 14,631

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/17/2024 3:21:12 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
bobcat 2000 wrote:
larry hunter and tim oshea didnt have trouble recruiting bigs. tim brought in a couple of highly prized recruits named jerom tillman and leon williams. hunter brought iu gary trent, curtis simmons, and diante flenorl. flenorl chose us over villanova and connecticut plus a few other power schools. these are the player types we need. perhaps jeff might need to get out there and go get these type of player. couldn,t help notice jeff seems to have excuses for not scheduling big name schools to play us. o,shea never had trouble with that. he had us playing kansas and maryland. there was a time when virginia played in the convo. so did kentucky. and we went to UCLA AND IOWA. boals seems to do a good job as a coach but he needs to put more effort into getting interior plAYERS and scheduling tougher competition.


I think we should consider joining the ACC or Big East. Would definitely help attract those sorts of guys.


Baby steps . . . AAC first! ;-)

The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA

"It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right."

Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org

Back to Top
  
shabamon
General User



Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 6,767

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/18/2024 10:22:17 AM 
BobcatWarrior wrote:
We need to find at least one hs post every year and also look to JUCO or "high-major"for transfer. Early indications are this is a need.

A bit surprised by our seemingly lack of focus here. Boals' teams as a player thrived with solid bigs.

I wonder if the transition of the game to a perimeter game leaves less "posts" to recruit.

Curious why nobody has looked at Andrew Hoerner of Miamisburg. 3rd Team All-State D1 as a junior. Plays high- level AAU. 6'8". Only offer I can find is D2 Ashland?!

Saw him play tonight. Skilled, fundamentally, VERY nice shooter mid range and out. Good instincts to block shots and on D.

I must be missing something. I see D1 player.



I've seen him play too. Kid looks like he couldn't jump over a pizza box. He'd make Colin Granger look like Amare Stoudemire. Would need a lot of work to get his shot off against MAC-level athletes.
Back to Top
  
SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,202

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/18/2024 10:46:54 AM 
We've had a lot decent bigs who didn't exactly jump out of the gym. Doug Taylor, Ed Sears, Vic Alexander, etc. They used their bodies well, though, to fill space on D and get to the hoop on offense.
Back to Top
  
shabamon
General User



Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 6,767

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/18/2024 11:01:16 AM 
In my 20+ years of Ohio basketball fandom, Doug Taylor is easily a top-10 dunker. Most athletic 250+ pounder we've had in that time.
Back to Top
  
FJC31
General User

Member Since: 3/31/2022
Post Count: 1,786

Status: Offline
  Message Not Read  RE: Recruiting Bigs
   Posted: 12/18/2024 11:34:16 AM 
SBH wrote:
We've had a lot decent bigs who didn't exactly jump out of the gym. Doug Taylor, Ed Sears, Vic Alexander, etc. They used their bodies well, though, to fill space on D and get to the hoop on offense.



I’d add Keely to this list. He couldn’t jump over an upright quarter but knew how to use his body.
Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  26 - 50  of 68 Posts
Jump to Page:  < Previous    1 | 2 | 3    Next >
View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



WHO'S ONLINE
There are 258 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com
258 Guests
0 Registered Users
There is 1 other user looking at this page.




Copyright ©2025 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties