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Topic: RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

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spongeBOB CATpants
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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 12:35:01 PM

Just read through JMU's message board and had to come back here for some thoughts. They have a confident bunch over there and that's putting it lightly, I guess one NCAA tournament win in the last 40 years will bloat the ego a bit. We will see how their season shakes out but they weren't impressed with us to say the least.

Maybe these were two conference champions going at it but I wasn't too impressed with their team either. We played a horrible first half and outplayed them in the second half so I'm not sure why they feel so good about that win?

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 1:11:51 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

If we won, I'd be feeling the same way. OU was picked to win the conference and they had us down 20 at points. New coach. Mostly an entirely new roster vs a roster of experience. They have every right to feel good about it. Maybe not we're ready to take on duke in the 2nd round again good, but pretty good sign they're doing something right with all the change.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 1:43:59 PM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

I guess my point is that its one game. I always feel good after a win but one game of data is not enough to call out Clayton as a soft, non factor and essentially predicting the MAC is hot garbage as a whole.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 3:29:43 PM

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1st half posts were entertaining.

I think that was a really solid basketball game. I think JMU is good. I think we are good. Of the 8 players who played, 7 looked pretty solid to me.

Elmore struggled, and continued to look like the 2nd half of last season where he just has lost the touch around the rim. I would agree he should not keep AJB from being a regular 30 min guy. AJB looked really smooth, confirming the excitement.

Clayton didn't get going with scoring but he still looked solid overall.

Paveletzke has some skills for sure and some really good play around the rim, but he did not impress me with ball distribution, and only 1 3 point attempt (a miss). Hopefully the assists come.

I still think Ajay Sheldon could absolutely be the regular point guard of this team. I thought he looked good with the ball as usual.

Hadaway was just like last year, he was great and always love the energy. Reef looked great too.

It took 2 seconds to declare Searls is a vast improvement over Wiz. He can actually catch a basketball, dribble it a few times and run down the court and look like he belongs. And he had a great take to the hoop in the 2nd half.

Kneejerk I'd say Searls big improvement over Wiz, and healthy AJB big improvement over Miles Brown. TBD on Paveletzke taking over for Hunter, but early indication is we'll see an improvement in going to the hoop but decline in distribution.

I absolutely still believe we are the best team in the MAC.

Pretty much nailed it. Thought Searls was a little nervous/tight at beginning which is understandable. But he moves like he knows what he's doing and that already is a huge upgrade from what we had coming off the bench the last two years.

I'm not going to panic about size yet, but it was jarring how much bigger on the court JMU was compared to Ohio.

Not understanding the negativity about PAV. My god...it's one game. He hardly played last year and I thought he acquitted himself well. My biggest criticism is that he drove the paint too many times and forced scoops shoots between the trees.

Sheldon can't go through a game with only one three-point attempt.

Clayton played hard...just not a great matchup for him down low. I'm still not understanding some of the pub surrounding him being on NBA draft boards. Even the announcers said it. Let's get that out of his head and just focus on the next game.

I have massive concerns about Elmore. Again, it's only one game...but unlike PAV who hardly played last year...this is a continuation from last season for Elmore. He can't be playing the same or more minutes than AJ Brown in big games like this. I don't even want to look at what Elmore's shooting % is the last 10 games, but it has to be Brod-esque when he lost his shot. I understand easing AJ back a bit with minutes....but 21 minutes...come on. And to sit Brown in the second half from the 16 minute to the 9 minute mark is unacceptable. That move by Boals made zero sense.

We heard a lot about Ben Nicol in the pre-season. Boals indicated he was going to help this team. Nicol didn't get any of Elmore's minutes. Is this a sign that Nicol in year two isn't ready? I think most people here thought he would play some this year.

It's only one game. We won't face too many teams with the size and length of JMU. Onward and forward.

Last Edited: 11/6/2024 11:29:19 AM by FearLeon

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 3:33:09 PM

Cats5 wrote:

Hadaway is public enemy number one in every gym he walks in and I think that fuels him lol

There is a reason why he is "Captain Chaos". Gotta love his motor.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 3:34:24 PM

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With a little over a minute left, we were down 10. I looked at the box score and at that point we were 7/15 from the line. Unacceptable for D1 scholarship players. Loud arena or not. If we're 11/15 at that point, it's an entirely different ball game.

OUr boys hit 11 of 20 foul shots for 55%. Bobcats not named A. Clayton made 6 of 15 (40%). Unacceptable, as shabamon says.

In contrast:

* CMU, one of the MAC winners last night, made 13 of 17 (77%) at the line. Most importantly, big man Bryan Ndjonga made both of his foul shot attempts with 2 seconds left in the Chips' 4-pt win.

* Kent, another winning MAC team, hit 22 of 28 (76%) from the line. A couple of Columbus players went a combined 18 of 21 (86%) - Davis (13-15) and Safford (5-6). Safford, like Ndjonga, was clutch, making both attempts with 2 seconds left in a 4-point win.

* Finally, Miami, 14-pt winners over S. Alabama, went 12 of 13 (92%) at the line. No heroics with 2 seconds left were necessary.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 4:12:48 PM

This is going to be a team that has a dangerous meshing of guards, and that's what wins in March. We're going to be able to come over the boards in terms of our number of guard combinations, but definitely need to toughen up front, which showed some good flashes last night. Lot to work on there too.

That said, after watching the O$U game last night, I think I understand why our guards ran into theirs and got blitzed. They look like a whole package unit in terms of their guards and shooters.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 7:03:22 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

Maybe these were two conference champions going at it but I wasn't too impressed with their team either. We played a horrible first half and outplayed them in the second half so I'm not sure why they feel so good about that win?

Because they played most of the game in third gear and handled us comfortably. They knew they had us.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 8:01:10 PM

Are people giving Searls extra credit just for not being named Wiznitzer?

When Vic actually plays like a valid D-1 big, THEN give him a passing grade.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 8:05:33 PM

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Are people giving Searls extra credit just for not being named Wiznitzer?

When Vic actually plays like a valid D-1 big, THEN give him a passing grade.

It�s fairly amazing we went from having MAC POY caliber big guys consistently to not even being able to find a dude who will get 4 rebounds a game.

Please be that guy Evans. Please be that guy.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:36:28 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

They handled us 38+ minutes. We jumped to an 8-4 lead then JMU took it to us. Rebounds almost 2-1. Their athleticism was obvious. The final score was not indicative of the majority of the game. Being down double digits at least 80 percent of the game is not a way to a W.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/5/2024 9:43:33 PM

greencat wrote:

Are people giving Searls extra credit just for not being named Wiznitzer?

When Vic actually plays like a valid D-1 big, THEN give him a passing grade.

I agree. 3 fouls 13 minutes. What stood out to anyone that he was an upgrade to Wiz is a mystery to me. One game is just that but there is a difference between Ashland competition and MAC level.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/6/2024 8:30:37 AM

How many roster spots are filled by kids of Boals' ex-teammates? What, didn't Rush Floyd have a son?

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/6/2024 9:24:18 AM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

greencat wrote:

Are people giving Searls extra credit just for not being named Wiznitzer?

When Vic actually plays like a valid D-1 big, THEN give him a passing grade.

I agree. 3 fouls 13 minutes. What stood out to anyone that he was an upgrade to Wiz is a mystery to me. One game is just that but there is a difference between Ashland competition and MAC level.

Eye test -- He looked more coordinated. Let's also point out that he's transferring up a level. Wiz came down from P5 and still struggled immensely.

Last Edited: 11/6/2024 9:26:29 AM by FJC31

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/6/2024 9:34:00 AM

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spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

38+ minutes? That doesn't even make sense considering we outscored them in 20 minutes, that's just factual information not even an opinion.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/6/2024 10:09:00 AM

SBH wrote:

How many roster spots are filled by kids of Boals' ex-teammates? What, didn't Rush Floyd have a son?

Not sure but "Rush Floyd" would be a good prog-rock cover band name.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/6/2024 12:58:32 PM

Just read that JMU athletic budget is over $50 million per year.

OU beating them in anything will be a major upset just for that alone.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/7/2024 7:55:59 PM

Not replying directly to anyone in general.

I expected a hard fought, closely contested L.

I got the L part right.

JMU could have beat us by 30 if at any point they decided they wanted to.

We have some talented offensive players.

We have some talented guards/wings.

What we don't have is any semblance of defense (they shot 55%) or rebounding (41-23, and 2 of those were dead-ball rebounds for crying out loud....21 "real" rebounds!!@#$!@#$). Or free throw shooting. If only we could start turning the ball over more, we'd be bad at all 4 of the most critical aspects of the game.

I'd much prefer a team that struggles to score, but you can guarantee on their lunch pail D, dominating the boards and hitting free throws. You'll win 70% of the time with that formula.

What we don't have are talented bigs. Been my complaint for years now. We are TINY. And not really all that athletic either.

AJ Clayton is a better pro prospect as a 6'9 spot up 3pt specialist than as a mid-major, undersized center who wants nothing to do with the paint.

Vic Searls - is a D2 transfer. He's likely going to be fine. It was one game. He's also not going to be a difference maker of any kind.

Ayden Evans - I said all off-season he looked more advanced on the D side and might be a project on O. Seems that might be true.

Of course, it's hard to tell when the top rated freshman class in the conference combined for 0 total minutes. ZERO. Not a single one saw the floor. That's HUGELY concerning to me, in essentially a blow-out, non-con game. Burris is hurt I know, but Elliott and Evans have to be good enough for a handful of minutes.

Lastly, the MAC is hot garbage. We have plenty of time to address all the above issues and likely still be top 2/3 in the league. Of course we're gonna get bounced by anybody with size/legit talent.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/7/2024 7:57:00 PM

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How many roster spots are filled by kids of Boals' ex-teammates? What, didn't Rush Floyd have a son?

One.

Ben Estis. He's a walk-on who doesn't play.

What's your point?

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Posted: 11/7/2024 8:59:30 PM

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Of course, it's hard to tell when the top rated freshman class in the conference combined for 0 total minutes. ZERO. Not a single one saw the floor. That's HUGELY concerning to me, in essentially a blow-out, non-con game. Burris is hurt I know, but Elliott and Evans have to be good enough for a handful of minutes.

"Top-rated" freshman class in the MAC with 0 minutes in opener. Meanwhile, around the MAC Monday night:

Akron's Young with 15 pts in 22 min.

Miami's Byers with 17 min. and Skaljac with 16

WMU's Ryans with 17 min.

UT's Oowinga with 14 pts in 21 min.

NIU's Copeland with 18 min.

UB's Michaels with 13 pts and 27 min and Oboh with 12 min.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/8/2024 1:22:41 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

You would think one of the freshman is going to get some significant minutes this season. But I agree...worrisome that not one (Evans/Elliott) got a little run against JMU. Even more concerning....0 minutes out of Ben Nicol. Way too early to push the panic button on what Boals does with these freshman, but something to keep an eye on. I'm still not over Elmore James playing more minutes than AJ Brown in the JMU game.

Last Edited: 11/8/2024 1:25:18 AM by FearLeon

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/8/2024 7:14:09 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

SBH wrote:

How many roster spots are filled by kids of Boals' ex-teammates? What, didn't Rush Floyd have a son?

One.

Ben Estis. He's a walk-on who doesn't play.

What's your point?

Chase Boals and Vic Searls also kind of fit in this category, I assume this is was he was alluding to. So it is 3 of 15...which is not nothing. But 2 are walk-ons and one is a 1 year player.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/8/2024 10:50:16 AM

My point is that we could have and should have done a lot better than Searls, another friend of Boals and the program. We remain badly undersize, as was so painfully apparent vs. JMU.

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/8/2024 12:01:03 PM

SBH wrote:

My point is that we could have and should have done a lot better than Searls, another friend of Boals and the program. We remain badly undersize, as was so painfully apparent vs. JMU.

The anti-Wiz crowd will continue to wear Searls-colored-glasses and gaslight each other about how "great" he is. It will be the Vic fan club echo chamber. They are only fooling each other.

2 points and 3 fouls against a fellow unranked mid-major isn't very inspiring.

Decent grades from the first game:
Hadaway 7-12/3-6 (missing all 4 FTs is an issue though)
AJB 5-5/2-2
J. Pav 7-14
Mitchel 6-9 plus 3 assists and 4 steals

Failing grades:
E. James 1-7, 1-3 at the line, 4 fouls - rather puke inducing

Incomplete:
Sheldon and Searles due to small sample size of minutes
Clayton 1-6 offset by 5-5 at the line + 5 boards and 4 assists

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RE: Official Game 1 Thread: James Madisoon

Posted: 11/8/2024 12:57:55 PM

greencat wrote:

SBH wrote:

My point is that we could have and should have done a lot better than Searls, another friend of Boals and the program. We remain badly undersize, as was so painfully apparent vs. JMU.

Wait, what??

I didn't hate Wiz. He wasn't very good, but he didn't deserve the ridicule he got by a handful on here - and I said as much last year.

On the same hand, I think Searls is going to be just fine. He didn't have a great first game. That's unfortunate. He's also a D2 transfer who will have done his job/filled his role if he's a 4 pts/5 reb a game guy in a dozen or so minutes off the bench. He can provide defense, rebounding and size for stretches or during foul trouble - but he's not (nor was he expected to be) - more than that. In that sense, I think he absolutely can and will (until I see otherwise) produce those kind of results against MAC bigs.

That doesn't make me a Searls lover, nor a Wiz hater.

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