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How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? Because there is very little chance that our Women's team could win those games. Bring Back Men's Track & Field Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/10/2024 10:03:14 PM  shabamon wrote: Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000. Totally agree, sadly. To the average schmo on Court Street, they don't know who JMU or FGCU is. They're so tuned in to the B1G, etc., that that's all they know. Those of us on this board, and folks like us are unfortunately rare - we know more about college hoops that most do. Maybe that's what makes us special, maybe not. I will admit, I *really* miss the days of the Bracketbusters. I feel like those games really kind of educated fan bases, and man was that a fun Saturday. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,009 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/11/2024 9:04:39 AM  Bobcat1996 wrote: This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 2,553 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/11/2024 1:12:48 PM  shabamon wrote: Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000. I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports. Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year. Football hosted College Gameday last season. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 907 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/11/2024 1:38:20 PM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams. Memphis tied for 5th in the AAC last season. Memphis in late March 2024 was rated 75 in the NET rankings. Dayton, Cincinatti, Ohio State and Xavier were all rated above Memphis. Dayton was rated in the top 25. I find it difficult to believe that Ohio can't get a game with one of the above schools. Two of these programs are power four schools. Ohio will have to travel, but it would be a short trip. Does anyone know what Memphis is paying the Bobcats? Guessing that the schools mentioned above would fork out that type of money? Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,539 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/11/2024 1:55:00 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: shabamon wrote: Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000. I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports. Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year. Football hosted College Gameday last season. If they were ranked, definitely better than Bucknell and LA Tech, but not 13K for the home opener. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,182 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/16/2024 11:18:14 AM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: shabamon wrote: Without proper promotion, JMU is no different a draw than like Bucknell or Louisiana Tech. I'm sorry, solid program aside, they just aren't a name that will immediately register with people who don't actively follow college hoops. George Mason would have more cachet by virtue of going to the Final 4 almost 20 years ago. We had dunk city in our building on a Saturday only two years removed and didn't hit 6000. I don't believe that. They may be new on the block, but James Madison is one of the best G5 times in the country in both sports. Upset Wisconsin in the NCAA tournament last year. Football hosted College Gameday last season. That NCAA tournament appearance was their first in almost a decade. They've only been twice in the past 30 years. There's no way we'd draw close to what you're thinking because Gameday selected them for football. The name doesn't carry that much weight across sports. They're a good opponent, nothing more. You need a bigger name to draw big numbers. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,463 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 5:17:01 AM  Andrew Ruck wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams. Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results. "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,539 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 9:48:31 AM  Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule. https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1 I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants. Back to Top CatsUp General User Member Since: 4/15/2019 Post Count: 776 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 10:18:06 AM  shabamon wrote: Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule. https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1 I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants. I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,626 Status: Online     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 10:38:38 AM  CatsUp wrote: shabamon wrote: Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule. https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1 I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants. I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues. Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years? Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,351 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 12:27:01 PM  JSF wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams. Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results. 110%. Look at the number of tournament appearances and wins, and I'd bet you that Ohio is close, or better than their results. Lots of hype & arrogance without the results to go with it. Their fans are as bad or worse than Kentucky fans. Blue teams....friends don't let friends root for them. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,270 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/19/2024 5:59:30 PM  OU_Country wrote: JSF wrote: Andrew Ruck wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: This question is for those of you that have some knowledge about non conference scheduling. How is it that the Bobcat women are able to schedule at least two power four programs and the men do not have one power four program on the schedule the last two seasons? I mean, Memphis may not technically be "power 4" but they're a better program than the majority of those supposed P4 teams. Memphis men? They haven't been anything since Calipari left. All hype and no results. 110%. Look at the number of tournament appearances and wins, and I'd bet you that Ohio is close, or better than their results. Lots of hype & arrogance without the results to go with it. Their fans are as bad or worse than Kentucky fans. Blue teams....friends don't let friends root for them. They have six NCAA appearances since Calipari left after the 2009 season. They win that. They have 3 NCAA wins so, you're right, they lag behind Ohio there. This is a stat, NCAA wins since 2010, where we beat the vast majority of D1 programs. Sometimes you watch a sports broadcast where they go out of their way to laud a player. Like, and I made this up, it isn't a real player here - He's the first player with 4 consecutive seasons with at least 52 doubles, 39 homeruns, 47 stolen bases, 87 runs, and 98 RBI. Well, 4, 52, 39, 47, 87, & 98 are arbitrary numbers that you picked to just barely include him and just barley exclude a whole host of other players. NCAA wins since 2010 is the sort of stat the an Ohio fan might pick out, out of a countless number of other things you could use, to intentionally laud their program. That isn't exactly what happened here. 2010 was picked since it was the year Memphis's most well known coach left and NCAA wins was one of two stats you mentioned. Memphis beats us in the vast majority of comparisons that you could make though. Like NCAA wins since 2013 (three of our wins since 2010 go away), or conference championships since 1995, or all-time final four appearances, or all-time wins (by 32), or times in the AP poll since 2000, or current NBA players, or lots of other things. Last Edited: 9/19/2024 7:10:05 PM by Victory Back to Top CatsUp General User Member Since: 4/15/2019 Post Count: 776 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/20/2024 10:56:32 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: CatsUp wrote: shabamon wrote: Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule. https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1 I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants. I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues. Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years? Nah. Not exclusively education that I’m aware of anyway. However, mentioning the name of the school there would encompass everything associated with the school in my opinion, including education, and be a better representation of a “college” basketball team. I also don’t recall any marketing materials for colleges in the pre-NIL/portal that mentioned cities (or states with the probable exception of OSU as they have their own unique identity issues) in them. That seems to me to have been historically a tactic used by professional teams, which gets to my original point. Back to Top CatsUp General User Member Since: 4/15/2019 Post Count: 776 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/20/2024 11:58:08 AM  CatsUp wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: CatsUp wrote: shabamon wrote: Speaking of Memphis, we're the MAC favorite and we may be the "easiest" date on their non-conference schedule. https://x.com/Memphis_MBB/status/1836119398450594166/photo/1 I also saw they just hired Mike Davis and Nolan Smith as assistants. I find the hype picture, if we want to call it that, you sent interesting….One City, One Team, One Goal. No reference to “one university”. The evolution continues. Are there a lot of examples of college basketball marketing materials that have focused on education over the last 40 years? Nah. Not exclusively education that I’m aware of anyway. However, mentioning the name of the school there would encompass everything associated with the school in my opinion, including education, and be a better representation of a “college” basketball team. I also don’t recall any marketing materials for colleges in the pre-NIL/portal that mentioned cities (or states with the probable exception of OSU as they have their own unique identity issues) in them. That seems to me to have been historically a tactic used by professional teams, which gets to my original point. In googling this further I found that linking college sports teams and communities in advertising has been a thing for longer than I was aware. Just haven’t experienced it myself I guess. Back to Top rollins77 General User Member Since: 9/20/2024 Post Count: 4 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 9/20/2024 9:08:30 PM  cc-cat wrote: i’m not suggesting they would draw more bobcat fans. i’m outlining that they would bring their fans. App st fans tell me they flooded the gym. That is not something they have done historically in basketball. Obviously, they caught fire last year and put together a historic season. To their fans' credit, they responded. Whether or not their fans continue to travel that way remains to be seen. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,539 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/16/2024 1:26:38 PM  Central Michigan still hasn't released their non-conference schedule, but that hasn't stopped them from promoting season tickets. Back to Top OakStreet General User Member Since: 3/28/2012 Location: Bloomington, IN Post Count: 137 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 3:47:21 PM  Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,410 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 4:02:03 PM  OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. one could be larger and the other more enthusiastic, I suppose. Miami could be sibs weekend with 10-11k, but quieter. If Ohio and Akron are both near the top of the conference, that's going to be more nutso. Back to Top Scott Woods General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: On the banks of the Ohio, OH Post Count: 237 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 4:16:44 PM  OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. I'm assuming there will still be some 'flex' in the schedule and one (or both?) of the games could get moved to Friday so be on the lookout for that before making definitive plans. Religion morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged. So enter that daily thou mayest grow in knowledge wisdom and love. So depart that daily thou mayest better serve thy fellowmen thy country and thy God. Back to Top GreenAndWhitePride General User Member Since: 9/12/2024 Post Count: 19 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 4:21:28 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. one could be larger and the other more enthusiastic, I suppose. Miami could be sibs weekend with 10-11k, but quieter. If Ohio and Akron are both near the top of the conference, that's going to be more nutso. Miami is always the larger draw for students/alums, plus the sibs weekend factor. Agree that the Akron game will be more intense for those that are there. Would not be surprised if that Akron game gets flexed to a Friday primetime slot either. At the end of the day I would recommend Miami. Even if they aren't as good as an opponent, crowd will always get into it due to the rivalry. Back to Top OakStreet General User Member Since: 3/28/2012 Location: Bloomington, IN Post Count: 137 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 4:49:24 PM  GreenAndWhitePride wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. one could be larger and the other more enthusiastic, I suppose. Miami could be sibs weekend with 10-11k, but quieter. If Ohio and Akron are both near the top of the conference, that's going to be more nutso. Miami is always the larger draw for students/alums, plus the sibs weekend factor. Agree that the Akron game will be more intense for those that are there. Would not be surprised if that Akron game gets flexed to a Friday primetime slot either. At the end of the day I would recommend Miami. Even if they aren't as good as an opponent, crowd will always get into it due to the rivalry. I appreciate everyone's thoughts and advice here. This is why I'm torn. The Akron game should be an intense battle of teams at the top of the standings. I do want to see that. But as a guy who was introduced to Ohio basketball four decades ago during the John Devereaux and Ron Harper days, I'll never abandon the core beliefs I learned as a student, which include love for Athens and my fellow Bobcats, and something less than that for our rivals to the west. Not that I'd resort to it in this mature phase of my life, but wasn't there a popular and well-deserved chant about them, something about mud or manure or muck? Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,539 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/21/2024 6:05:15 PM  OakStreet wrote: GreenAndWhitePride wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. one could be larger and the other more enthusiastic, I suppose. Miami could be sibs weekend with 10-11k, but quieter. If Ohio and Akron are both near the top of the conference, that's going to be more nutso. Miami is always the larger draw for students/alums, plus the sibs weekend factor. Agree that the Akron game will be more intense for those that are there. Would not be surprised if that Akron game gets flexed to a Friday primetime slot either. At the end of the day I would recommend Miami. Even if they aren't as good as an opponent, crowd will always get into it due to the rivalry. I appreciate everyone's thoughts and advice here. This is why I'm torn. The Akron game should be an intense battle of teams at the top of the standings. I do want to see that. But as a guy who was introduced to Ohio basketball four decades ago during the John Devereaux and Ron Harper days, I'll never abandon the core beliefs I learned as a student, which include love for Athens and my fellow Bobcats, and something less than that for our rivals to the west. Not that I'd resort to it in this mature phase of my life, but wasn't there a popular and well-deserved chant about them, something about mud or manure or muck? I would not make any plans until the TV schedule comes out (which by the way, needs to be released already). Then you can make an educated guess on whether those games will be flexed. The Sun Belt home game in February should stay on a Saturday, if you're looking for a sure thing. If the Miami game stays on Saturday and we have the kind of special regular season that many are projecting, that game is a slam dunk I'm in. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 5,009 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/22/2024 8:59:21 AM  OakStreet wrote: Living 5+ hours from Athens, I'm likely to make it to only one home game this season. Which would likely have a larger, more enthusiastic home crowd? The 2/22 (Sat) against defending MAC champ Akron or 3/1 (Sat) against arch rival Miami? I'm looking forward to this season and would appreciate any thoughts you have. This is exhibit A of why the flex games, and the less than 2 weeks notice they bring, are so tough on the fans. The 2 games this fan targets are also the 2 the TV crew will target. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OakStreet General User Member Since: 3/28/2012 Location: Bloomington, IN Post Count: 137 Status: Offline     RE: 2024-25 Schedule    Posted: 10/22/2024 9:44:39 AM  Quote: I would not make any plans until the TV schedule comes out (which by the way, needs to be released already). Then you can make an educated guess on whether those games will be flexed. The Sun Belt home game in February should stay on a Saturday, if you're looking for a sure thing. If the Miami game stays on Saturday and we have the kind of special regular season that many are projecting, that game is a slam dunk I'm in. Thanks for the advice. Since this will be my only trip to Athens this fall, we'll come in Thursday night or Friday morning so it will be okay with me if they move the game from Saturday afternoon to Friday night, although I know that will be lousy for fans planning on driving in on Saturday. When my wife and I come up in for a game, we like to spend at least a couple of days in Athens so we have time to enjoy Jackie Os, Casa Nueva, O'Bettys, Little Fish, Salaam, West End Ciderhouse, Avalanche Pizza, etc. Come to think of it, maybe I'll need a week. 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