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Bobcat Love
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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/24/2021 9:07:00 PM

Long Train Runnin' wrote:

Any deal for Kansas means they would probably have to take K-State, too.

This is 100% false.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/24/2021 9:07:46 PM

after doing a little bit of thinking and investigating. I think the big 10 definetley wants to stay in a foot race with the SEC. The following list of schools i think would be reasonable targets

iowa state and kansas is already being talked about but this would be my least favorite but maybe most likely.
Why not go after Duke and north carolina and open up the south a little bit and extend the foot print. ACC schools can easily be drawn away because of money paid out by conference.
or if texas A&M really wants away from texas and oklahoma why not lure them and Missouri to the big 10.

The other team that makes sense is pitt. Even though i thought boston college i am not sure that makes sense.

The last option would be go take a couple of pac 12 teams. But i dont think this realignment is just going to be teams eating up the big 12 teams. The ACC TV deals suck.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/24/2021 9:10:13 PM

yes kansas and kansas state is not a package deal. But it is my understanding that iowa and iowa state would need some legislative action to actually be in the same league. The only two state schools i know to be attached is virginia and virginia tech. this happened during last round of expansion.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/25/2021 12:36:03 AM

Suppose....All this winds up dissolving the B12 -- maybe not right away, but in a few years. (A conference has to have at least eight teams and without Okla and Texas the B12 would be at the minimum.) A defunct B12 would leave nine conferences: four "P"s and the G5. Under the new CFP proposal, the playoff field would be the top six rated conference champs and the top six rated non-champs. Assuming this is adopted without alteration, that means at least two G5 conference champs would be in the field every year. Unless, of course, they change the format again.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/25/2021 9:53:32 AM

Frank should get on the phone with the SEC and tell them if they ain't sure about Texas there is a second OU...

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 8:54:23 AM

Beginning to think this move by Texas and OU was just a ploy to get more revenue from the Big XII. "Oh you're not gonna pay us more, fine we'll go elsewhere." Already seeing talks of Texas and OU getting $100M while the rest of the conference members get $25M. I'm not sure how that is legal or why the rest of the league would approve it, but I would not be shocked if that's the final decision in all this. West Virginia is being rumored to leave the conference no matter which decision is reached.

Boise State did something similar with the Mountain West when they threated to leave for the Big East/AAC, and the rest of the conference despises them for it.

All in all, if there is another round of realignment I just hope the MAC does something this time around to strengthen the conference rather than standing pat. Wishful thinking, I know. C-USA is dead weight, but adding a couple schools from there within the relative footprint would be huge, I think. Marshall and Western Kentucky makes so much sense and I will die on this hill. If not one of those, Army. Please by god make a phone call to Army. Unless the AAC nabs them when Cincinnati and Memphis jump ship...

Last Edited: 7/26/2021 8:56:55 AM by GoCats105

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 10:15:02 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

Don't expect Army to be in the same conference as Navy. They want their game to be the last of the regular season, the week after the conference championships. That can't happen if they're in the same conference because their game could have a bearing on who's in the conference championship game. Now if Navy were to go to the B12 (maybe to help keep WVU from leaving), then Army's a real possible for the AAC.

Last Edited: 7/26/2021 10:15:44 AM by Pataskala

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 10:29:38 AM

Random thoughts:

-Pitt has not moved the needle much in the two big sports since joining the ACC. Don't know if the Big 10 would want them, especially with Penn State already at the table putting up a lot of resistance. I would guess the Pittsburgh/Western PA market would not increase much beyond what the Lions already pull.

Pitt does have the AAU feather in their cap, though.

-If Oklahoma and Texas do move to the SEC, the Big 12 better move quick to stabilize if they don't want to implode-the domino effect may be too much to overcome if other schools are lured away.

Adding schools from the AAC might be their best hand, with maybe Cincinnati and Memphis, along with Houston, SMU, in attempt to cobble some old Southwest Conference nostalgia. Not sure how much loyalty they feel to WVU, but having some teams a bit further east could keep them from shopping around. Would think Boise or BYU may be of interest, too. Already having two faith-based schools in conference makes for a smoother path for BYU as long as the non-Sunday games stipulation isn't a deal killer (their basketball conference championship game is on a Saturday currently)

-I don't see the ACC wanting anything to do with WVU. Minimal media gains and I frankly think most of the powers that be of the conference (and the fan bases, right or wrong) likely look down on the school.

Notre Dame would likely be the most likely target given their standing membership in the conference for all other sports, along with the cluster of ACC games they are already playing for football.

Only scenario I see any other new members being invited is if the SEC or Big 10 peel off existing teams.

Anything is possible in the current landscape. The chasm will continue to grow between the P5 and G5 teams. I can see some P5 teams losing their seats at the table and a handful of G5 schools getting pulled up.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 11:06:43 AM

GoCats105 wrote:

I've only lived in Austin for a couple years, but I can fully declare that this would require the SEC treating Texas like the snowflakes they are and making them feel special by kissing their collective bums. And call me crazy, but I don't think the SEC would ever do that; they'd probably laugh about it, then take Oklahoma State out of spite.

This doesn't even include the Texas A&M opinion or the legalities behind buying out the Longhorn Network contract, which runs through...Googles real fast...2031.

Looks like you are wiffing on that. However, there may be enough teams in the SEC (4) who may nix this.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 11:54:11 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Looks like you are wiffing on that. However, there may be enough teams in the SEC (4) who may nix this.

I've once again underestimated the size of greed in college athletics. However I still stand by my statement that Texas thinks they're better than they are.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 11:54:51 AM

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/26/joint-statement-from-t... /

Weeeelllllpppp

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 12:16:18 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/26/joint-statement-from-t... /

Weeeelllllpppp

Saw the same basic message on ESPN this morning.

Will be interested in watching what other maneuvers are put into motion.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 12:41:05 PM

OUcats82 wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/26/joint-statement-from-t... /

Weeeelllllpppp

Saw the same basic message on ESPN this morning.

Will be interested in watching what other maneuvers are put into motion.

Listening to the pundits on sports talk radio, they feel Texas and Oklahoma becoming members of the SEC won't take very long.

They also fell these are just the first 2 dominos to fall in what will be a massive conference shake up.

Last Edited: 7/26/2021 12:41:57 PM by rpbobcat

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:01:32 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

OUcats82 wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/26/joint-statement-from-t... /

Weeeelllllpppp

Saw the same basic message on ESPN this morning.

Will be interested in watching what other maneuvers are put into motion.

So they pay off those obligations and move before 2025?

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:06:28 PM

If the Big 12 doesn't collapse, maybe they would add Cincy and Memphis. Would be good for WVU and that'd be an even better hoops conference than it was...

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:27:38 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

So they pay off those obligations and move before 2025?

That seems to be the consensus.

Between the schools, and/or the conference no one thinks paying, to get out early, is an issue.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:30:36 PM

I think them actually joining the conference may take longer then people are thinking. I only say that because i heard on one station that the big 10 and ACC were both going to to talk to texas and oklahoma. About joining their conferences. so this may end up going to the highest bidder.

Also hearing the big 10 may bethinking go big and go home as they may off florida state, clemson, USC, arizona, kansas iowa state and oklahoma state. They have the next expiring TV contract they could try to just go to 20 teams right now.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:42:23 PM

SVAC83 wrote:

Don't know how serious it is, but I saw one report that the SEC also has their eyes on OSU and Mich.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:44:55 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

OUcats82 wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/26/joint-statement-from-t... /

Weeeelllllpppp

Saw the same basic message on ESPN this morning.

Will be interested in watching what other maneuvers are put into motion.

So they pay off those obligations and move before 2025?

It's like divorcing your spouse but agreeing to live in the same house for the next four years. Sorry, but I can't see that happening. The attorneys will make sure all parties come to an agreement that suits everyone. My guess is the SEC (or whereever these two end up) are going to have to write a hefty check to the Big XII.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 1:50:00 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

Big question, what schools will object to Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas AM&M and Arkansas seem possible.

Same with Mizzu.
They have issues with Texas.

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Posted: 7/26/2021 2:06:52 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

SVAC83 wrote:

Don't know how serious it is, but I saw one report that the SEC also has their eyes on OSU and Mich.

I saw that too. I think I put that in the category of "rampant speculation" but I guess it's plausible. At that point, the SEC is essentially breaking off from the rest of college football.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 2:18:05 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Big question, what schools will object to Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas AM&M and Arkansas seem possible.

Same with Mizzu.
They have issues with Texas.

The only other school besides those three I could see having an issue is LSU. They already hate Texas A&M so adding another Texas school? I don't know though. It's gonna be hard to get the votes to block this.

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 2:57:33 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

GoCats105 wrote:

Big question, what schools will object to Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas AM&M and Arkansas seem possible.

Same with Mizzu.
They have issues with Texas.

Pretty sure it will be either 14-0 or 13-1(TAMU) for both Texas and Oklahoma’s SEC membership. Once it’s clear they have the votes to get in, everyone will vote yes for it.

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Posted: 7/26/2021 2:58:34 PM

SVAC83 wrote:

Also hearing the big 10 may bethinking go big and go home as they may off florida state, clemson, USC, arizona, kansas iowa state and oklahoma state. They have the next expiring TV contract they could try to just go to 20 teams right now.

In the absence of a named source, this sounds like absurd message board/Twitter rumors to me

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RE: Maybe Conference Realignment Isn’t Over

Posted: 7/26/2021 3:06:14 PM

mf279801 wrote:

SVAC83 wrote:

In the absence of a named source, this sounds like absurd message board/Twitter rumors to me

If OU and Texas go to the SEC and make their total number 16, you can almost guarantee the Big Ten will follow suit. I'm not 100% sure who they could get that would move the needle as much as those two, but won't be shocked when it happens.

BTW the rumored fee for OU and Texas to leave the Big XII is $75-$80M. That's an absurd amount of money that they're just willing to part ways with. My god.

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