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You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. If this goes to court, be prepared to discover some real surprises. I doubt it gets that far. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/9/2026 9:09:26 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. If this goes to court, be prepared to discover some real surprises. I doubt it gets that far. Give me an example of the last time the university settled a case like this? They don’t settle because it become an open piggy bank and free money to people. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,798 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/9/2026 11:38:46 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. If this goes to court, be prepared to discover some real surprises. I doubt it gets that far. Give me an example of the last time the university settled a case like this? They don’t settle because it become an open piggy bank and free money to people. This case is not like any other in memory. The university doesn't want all the dirty linen being aired publicly and neither does our ex-coach. It is in their mutual best interests to settle out of court. The last time we settled out of court that I can remember is A&M's infamous "Ohio" suit against us. IMHO, it was a mistake, but that's a whole different can of worms. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 7:54:02 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. If this goes to court, be prepared to discover some real surprises. I doubt it gets that far. Give me an example of the last time the university settled a case like this? They don’t settle because it become an open piggy bank and free money to people. This case is not like any other in memory. The university doesn't want all the dirty linen being aired publicly and neither does our ex-coach. It is in their mutual best interests to settle out of court. The last time we settled out of court that I can remember is A&M's infamous "Ohio" suit against us. IMHO, it was a mistake, but that's a whole different can of worms. The OSU case was not the same as a termination or a case with damages. Back to Top M.D.W.S.T General User Member Since: 12/23/2021 Post Count: 3,718 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 9:09:12 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. This was essentially my fear all along. That this won't go away and the University keeps getting brought up in a 'negative' light. That this would go to court, mud slinging would go down. Furthering the chaos and the newscycle. OU's reputation as a party school gets thrown around and joked about. Simple and straight forward: Can an employee - not a teacher - date a student he has no authority over? I mean, the laws of common sense say don't do that when you're the most visible face of the university, BUT common sense is rarely contractual, is that expressly written? I'm guessing that answer is no, it is not written. Otherwise, this would be open and shut. There would be no lawsuit. You violated a clause in your contract, regardless if you think it's silly or invasive or your wife doesn't care, you signed it, you violated it. Done. And done. Unfortunately, I think we're gonna end up the ones with egg on our faces. Especially when University lawyers delve into rumors of his drinking and try to pin him with all sorts of stuff that would invoke a morality clause and he is forced to defend himself against it. I mean, they hold official OU events, Bobcat Caravans with coaches and admins at BREWERIES. I wasn't cup watching, but I'm pretty certain everyone had a beer. Even Julie. So to turn around and say, oh well - THAT is allowed. But you can't drink in your office after games is... gonna be interesting. Unless they have assistants with proof that he was drinking during practice or games, something Sark level. Like I said months ago, this whole thing just makes me sad. From both sides. I feel for him. I feel for the University that had to deal with the news breaking. I feel bad for the wife. I feel bad for the kids. I feel bad for everyone who keeps having to deal with this. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,697 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 11:27:53 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. So your stance here is that the university doesn't understand contract law? Last Edited: 5/11/2026 11:28:24 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 7,841 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 1:38:29 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... "Moreover, the presence and consumption of alcohol in University offices and on University property is commonplace at OU." Most accurate statement in the article, tbh. So true bestie. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,697 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 2:51:14 PM  M.D.W.S.T wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. This was essentially my fear all along. That this won't go away and the University keeps getting brought up in a 'negative' light. That this would go to court, mud slinging would go down. Furthering the chaos and the newscycle. OU's reputation as a party school gets thrown around and joked about. Simple and straight forward: Can an employee - not a teacher - date a student he has no authority over? I mean, the laws of common sense say don't do that when you're the most visible face of the university, BUT common sense is rarely contractual, is that expressly written? I'm guessing that answer is no, it is not written. Otherwise, this would be open and shut. There would be no lawsuit. You violated a clause in your contract, regardless if you think it's silly or invasive or your wife doesn't care, you signed it, you violated it. Done. And done. Unfortunately, I think we're gonna end up the ones with egg on our faces. Especially when University lawyers delve into rumors of his drinking and try to pin him with all sorts of stuff that would invoke a morality clause and he is forced to defend himself against it. I mean, they hold official OU events, Bobcat Caravans with coaches and admins at BREWERIES. I wasn't cup watching, but I'm pretty certain everyone had a beer. Even Julie. So to turn around and say, oh well - THAT is allowed. But you can't drink in your office after games is... gonna be interesting. Unless they have assistants with proof that he was drinking during practice or games, something Sark level. Like I said months ago, this whole thing just makes me sad. From both sides. I feel for him. I feel for the University that had to deal with the news breaking. I feel bad for the wife. I feel bad for the kids. I feel bad for everyone who keeps having to deal with this. The contract gives the university the right to terminate with cause for "serious personal or professional misconduct." The rumblings on BA.com about the Athens rumor mill is that his behavior was pretty bad. I don't know the details and I'm not gonna repeat the posts that I read before they were taken down, but it's clear that the University feels that behavior meets the "serious personal misconduct" threshold. It's gonna be ugly, probably. But I don't think the University did this because of bourbon in his drawer. Back to Top ts1227 General User Member Since: 2/28/2006 Location: Tallmadge, OH Post Count: 881 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/11/2026 4:08:43 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. So your stance here is that the university doesn't understand contract law? They understand contract law, but if the snip from the contract that vaguely mentions “personal and professional misconduct” and doesn’t seem to define it anywhere is the smoking gun, they aren’t relying on contract law. They’re relying on that fact that this America, therefore they have the upper hand as the employer and it’s basically up to Smith to prove his innocence regardless of what is in the contract. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/12/2026 11:35:13 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... You realize that this is just one side's view? What you seem to be failing to understand is that regardless if he did some stupid things, or some embarrassing things, the University still has to follow contract law and have proper reasons. If they had that they should have publicly expressed those. What they expressed was not grounds for what they did. The basketball player also has a seemingly great shot at owning a piece of the Univeraity. Especially with NIL, you can now put values on the damages. So your stance here is that the university doesn't understand contract law? I’m saying the University has taken a lot of liberties in the past few years with their actions, and no I do not personally believe they are always in the right in their actions. Time here will tell. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/12/2026 11:36:31 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Assuming the reporting is accurate, this article lays it our very clearly: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/48712246... "Moreover, the presence and consumption of alcohol in University offices and on University property is commonplace at OU." Most accurate statement in the article, tbh. So true bestie. Not to mention that it is known other employees were present and partaking in the activity but yet only he was singled out. Back to Top Bobcat1996 General User Member Since: 1/2/2017 Post Count: 1,234 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/25/2026 6:45:45 PM  Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,798 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 5/25/2026 11:43:40 PM  Bobcat1996 wrote: Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Paying him something, possible. Paying his contractual amount, very unlikely. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/23/2026 8:35:22 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Paying him something, possible. Paying his contractual amount, very unlikely. OCF, I’ll be the first to say I may be wrong. With the release of the Universities response to the lawsuit. Coach Smith may have a tougher time. Seeing how the University has never had a problem releasing that complaints have been filed against other coaches and organizations on campus. Not sure why they didn’t play that card early. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,798 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/23/2026 11:16:25 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Paying him something, possible. Paying his contractual amount, very unlikely. OCF, I’ll be the first to say I may be wrong. With the release of the Universities response to the lawsuit. Coach Smith may have a tougher time. Seeing how the University has never had a problem releasing that complaints have been filed against other coaches and organizations on campus. Not sure why they didn’t play that card early. Good question. My half-educated guess is that the university lawyers under the direction of the administration were actually trying to do limit the damage to Smith's reputation and hoping that he'd go quietly into the night realizing that the university was holding its ammunition. I've been told that they have additional ammunition that they will only reveal if deemed necessary down the road if this lawsuit continues. In other words, they wanted him gone, but they didn't want to make him unemployable down the road. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,848 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/24/2026 8:23:50 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Paying him something, possible. Paying his contractual amount, very unlikely. OCF, I’ll be the first to say I may be wrong. With the release of the Universities response to the lawsuit. Coach Smith may have a tougher time. Seeing how the University has never had a problem releasing that complaints have been filed against other coaches and organizations on campus. Not sure why they didn’t play that card early. Good question. My half-educated guess is that the university lawyers under the direction of the administration were actually trying to do limit the damage to Smith's reputation and hoping that he'd go quietly into the night realizing that the university was holding its ammunition. I've been told that they have additional ammunition that they will only reveal if deemed necessary down the road if this lawsuit continues. In other words, they wanted him gone, but they didn't want to make him unemployable down the road. OCF, I’d buy that narrative if the history didn’t show that they never cared about others and their careers or reputations. I do wonder if Smiths attorney knew this was out there why he took this one on. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,798 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/24/2026 9:52:12 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Bobcat1996 wrote: Correct BTC. My best guess is that the university will end up paying Coach Smith. Paying him something, possible. Paying his contractual amount, very unlikely. OCF, I’ll be the first to say I may be wrong. With the release of the Universities response to the lawsuit. Coach Smith may have a tougher time. Seeing how the University has never had a problem releasing that complaints have been filed against other coaches and organizations on campus. Not sure why they didn’t play that card early. Good question. My half-educated guess is that the university lawyers under the direction of the administration were actually trying to do limit the damage to Smith's reputation and hoping that he'd go quietly into the night realizing that the university was holding its ammunition. I've been told that they have additional ammunition that they will only reveal if deemed necessary down the road if this lawsuit continues. In other words, they wanted him gone, but they didn't want to make him unemployable down the road. OCF, I’d buy that narrative if the history didn’t show that they never cared about others and their careers or reputations. I do wonder if Smiths attorney knew this was out there why he took this one on. BTC, I understand your reticence here, and your point is well taken. I think that this is an exception, perhaps because of new leadership in the AD's office. In answer to your last question, I don't think Smith leveled with his attorney not only on this matter, but on others. As I said, I've learned that there's a lot more to this story than has been made public yet. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 4,697 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/25/2026 10:36:54 AM  My guess is that the university was aware of the sexual assault investigation/allegations, had completed enough of the investigation to know action needed to be taken, but that they didn't have the investigation at a point yet that they felt comfortable releasing the information publicly. I also doubt that they cared about Smith's reputation and were much more concerned about the identity of the student who made the complaint. Back to Top Bobcatzblitz General User Member Since: 7/21/2010 Post Count: 1,778 Status: Offline     RE: Smith has been fired    Posted: 6/25/2026 12:50:03 PM  Team Smith lol that’s a pretty nasty thing to brag about. I was back in town recently and let’s just say it’s gotten WORSE. 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