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L.C.
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   Posted: 12/24/2024 5:59:10 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
I agree, I think we can smell where the stink is coming from.

Regardless, while I can see a small kernel of this being true, I sincerely doubt that was what was laid out.

What I do think may have happened was perhaps a tense and salty negotiation - based on a lot of brand new accounts pointing every finger back at OU... Team Tim went straight to we need $1M a year to stay (which is odd cause he didn't get $1M elsewhere, so put another egg into the He Overplayed His Hand Bucket), but Julie and Lori going, Ohio University does not have $1M to give... (bc we really don't)... if we give you, Tim, $1M dollars we need to find $200-300K from somewhere else. That is the simple truth of where we are as an athletic department.

And THAT is the "operating budget being slashed".

I think it's pretty clear, but paying the new guy $150K more than the last guy doesn't read GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE to me. Though I do suspect they're gonna have to play a shell game with some money, because we really just don't have a lot of it.

And I disagree, on two issues. First, I don't see "stink" in the first place. If the budget is being cut, it's being cut. That's not stink. In fact, it's not even news of interest to almost anyone, and thus accounts for no more than a single phrase from an insignificant publication. Frankly, no one cares, outside of whoever is specifically affected. If they cut $100k here, and $100k there, there are at least two people affected. Maybe, just maybe, the sources are a couple of those people are actually affected. Note, by the way, that Albin was NOT affected; they were going to give him a raise.

Second, I am appalled by the rush to condemnation, despite the fact that the news is insignificant, and no one cares, and despite the fact that the footballscoop claimed that the news came from multiple sources. Sure, there is no evidence, but we don't need evidence. Sure, there is no damage, but who cares about that? Albin left, so let's find reasons to trash him.

I will agree, however, that the sources may not have been from Ohio at all. One possibility mentioned about is that whoever gave the news came from an Ohio competitor or competitors who somehow got wind of it. As an example of that, when Albin left, someone broke the story. Who? We don't know, and don't care, but per Mike, it was someone in North Carolina using an email account affiliated with another AAU school (Appy St? ECU?). Or, perhaps the news came, not from an employer, but a supplier. Say Ohio had been planing to replace the urinals, but told the supplier "we're tightening our belt this year. Maybe we can buy those urinals next year." Or, say, Ohio told the uniform supplier "we're cutting back, so we will make due with one less specialty retro uniform this year".

The one thing that it seems we do all agree on, is that the budget probably is being cut, at least in some places. But, does anyone really care? I don't. There are a lot more important things to worry about, like who is in the portal. But, hey, Albin is a public figure, so it's fine to accuse him of whatever, just so long as you don't have actual evidence that whatever you are saying is false.

Last Edited: 12/24/2024 6:10:05 PM by L.C.

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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 12/24/2024 7:20:20 PM 
L.C. wrote:
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
I agree, I think we can smell where the stink is coming from.

Regardless, while I can see a small kernel of this being true, I sincerely doubt that was what was laid out.

What I do think may have happened was perhaps a tense and salty negotiation - based on a lot of brand new accounts pointing every finger back at OU... Team Tim went straight to we need $1M a year to stay (which is odd cause he didn't get $1M elsewhere, so put another egg into the He Overplayed His Hand Bucket), but Julie and Lori going, Ohio University does not have $1M to give... (bc we really don't)... if we give you, Tim, $1M dollars we need to find $200-300K from somewhere else. That is the simple truth of where we are as an athletic department.

And THAT is the "operating budget being slashed".

I think it's pretty clear, but paying the new guy $150K more than the last guy doesn't read GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE to me. Though I do suspect they're gonna have to play a shell game with some money, because we really just don't have a lot of it.

And I disagree, on two issues. First, I don't see "stink" in the first place. If the budget is being cut, it's being cut. That's not stink. In fact, it's not even news of interest to almost anyone, and thus accounts for no more than a single phrase from an insignificant publication. Frankly, no one cares, outside of whoever is specifically affected. If they cut $100k here, and $100k there, there are at least two people affected. Maybe, just maybe, the sources are a couple of those people are actually affected. Note, by the way, that Albin was NOT affected; they were going to give him a raise.

Second, I am appalled by the rush to condemnation, despite the fact that the news is insignificant, and no one cares, and despite the fact that the footballscoop claimed that the news came from multiple sources. Sure, there is no evidence, but we don't need evidence. Sure, there is no damage, but who cares about that? Albin left, so let's find reasons to trash him.

I will agree, however, that the sources may not have been from Ohio at all. One possibility mentioned about is that whoever gave the news came from an Ohio competitor or competitors who somehow got wind of it. As an example of that, when Albin left, someone broke the story. Who? We don't know, and don't care, but per Mike, it was someone in North Carolina using an email account affiliated with another AAU school (Appy St? ECU?). Or, perhaps the news came, not from an employer, but a supplier. Say Ohio had been planing to replace the urinals, but told the supplier "we're tightening our belt this year. Maybe we can buy those urinals next year." Or, say, Ohio told the uniform supplier "we're cutting back, so we will make due with one less specialty retro uniform this year".

The one thing that it seems we do all agree on, is that the budget probably is being cut, at least in some places. But, does anyone really care? I don't. There are a lot more important things to worry about, like who is in the portal. But, hey, Albin is a public figure, so it's fine to accuse him of whatever, just so long as you don't have actual evidence that whatever you are saying is false.


With that dissertation I award you a PhD in yaponomics.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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   Posted: 12/25/2024 12:19:13 PM 
Mike Coleman wrote:
. wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
. wrote:
Inside sources: Hand dryers have been replaced with brown paper napkins at Ohio.


With the hand dryers we have now, napkins are an upgrade. (Dyson dryers excluded of course)


Correction:

Inside sources: Players told by meany AD to “wipe hands on pants” after washing hands to save money


Inside sources: No more hand towels. Must steal them from opponents like Javon Hagan.


Not going to try to top that. Such a deep cut reference.
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Turdhats
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   Posted: 12/25/2024 1:29:48 PM 
. wrote:
Mike Coleman wrote:
. wrote:
Cats5 wrote:
. wrote:
Inside sources: Hand dryers have been replaced with brown paper napkins at Ohio.


With the hand dryers we have now, napkins are an upgrade. (Dyson dryers excluded of course)


Correction:

Inside sources: Players told by meany AD to “wipe hands on pants” after washing hands to save money


Inside sources: No more hand towels. Must steal them from opponents like Javon Hagan.


Not going to try to top that. Such a deep cut reference.


Crap. We took Shay's towel from Detroit
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cbarber357
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   Posted: 12/26/2024 10:13:26 PM 
I’ve been debating whether to share this because I don’t want to over-share or project that I know more than what I do, but there have been plenty of cryptic/anonymous posts on this board claiming to have inside knowledge of the Albin leaving/Smith getting hired without and supporting evidence so why not.

Over Christmas I got to talking to some extended family members. It turns out that one of my family members graduated from high school with one of our current players. My relatives mom knows and still talks to the players mom fairly often, last time being after the MAC title game but before the bowl game.

We got to talking about Football and OU and recent events there. Long story short, my relative was told by this player’s mom something to the effect of “yeah, the players weren’t super upset about the old coach leaving, and they were super excited to play for the new one.”

Take that information how you will. It’s far from a first hand source, but said player has been around multiple years and has played in a decent amount of games for us, and definitely went to the same high school as said family.

I do think that lots of things that have happened support this information - 100% participation in the bowl game, relatively low transfer portal entries still, low amount of assistants following Albin, etc.
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   Posted: 12/27/2024 9:31:04 AM 
cbarber357 wrote:
I’ve been debating whether to share this because I don’t want to over-share or project that I know more than what I do, but there have been plenty of cryptic/anonymous posts on this board claiming to have inside knowledge of the Albin leaving/Smith getting hired without and supporting evidence so why not.

Over Christmas I got to talking to some extended family members. It turns out that one of my family members graduated from high school with one of our current players. My relatives mom knows and still talks to the players mom fairly often, last time being after the MAC title game but before the bowl game.

We got to talking about Football and OU and recent events there. Long story short, my relative was told by this player’s mom something to the effect of “yeah, the players weren’t super upset about the old coach leaving, and they were super excited to play for the new one.”

Take that information how you will. It’s far from a first hand source, but said player has been around multiple years and has played in a decent amount of games for us, and definitely went to the same high school as said family.

I do think that lots of things that have happened support this information - 100% participation in the bowl game, relatively low transfer portal entries still, low amount of assistants following Albin, etc.


This checks out. After the MAC Championship, I saw many players posting pics with Coach Smith. Albin leaves and zero players hit the portal to follow him. Everyone stays for the bowl game, except Albin. Had any assistant coaches left before the bowl game? Maybe 1-2, not sure about the timing of that.

After we were decimated by the portal in 2023 before the bowl, ironic how it is the exact opposite in 2024 and only our COACH leaves.

I enjoy the intrigue of this topic. Much easier to think about with a MAC CHAMPIONSHIP, BOWL W, and 11 WIN SEASON under our belts. Tim will be remembered as a hero in my book and I am pumped for the Smith era!

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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   Posted: 1/6/2025 10:50:46 AM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
I’ve been debating whether to share this because I don’t want to over-share or project that I know more than what I do, but there have been plenty of cryptic/anonymous posts on this board claiming to have inside knowledge of the Albin leaving/Smith getting hired without and supporting evidence so why not.

Over Christmas I got to talking to some extended family members. It turns out that one of my family members graduated from high school with one of our current players. My relatives mom knows and still talks to the players mom fairly often, last time being after the MAC title game but before the bowl game.

We got to talking about Football and OU and recent events there. Long story short, my relative was told by this player’s mom something to the effect of “yeah, the players weren’t super upset about the old coach leaving, and they were super excited to play for the new one.”

Take that information how you will. It’s far from a first hand source, but said player has been around multiple years and has played in a decent amount of games for us, and definitely went to the same high school as said family.

I do think that lots of things that have happened support this information - 100% participation in the bowl game, relatively low transfer portal entries still, low amount of assistants following Albin, etc.


This checks out. After the MAC Championship, I saw many players posting pics with Coach Smith. Albin leaves and zero players hit the portal to follow him. Everyone stays for the bowl game, except Albin. Had any assistant coaches left before the bowl game? Maybe 1-2, not sure about the timing of that.

After we were decimated by the portal in 2023 before the bowl, ironic how it is the exact opposite in 2024 and only our COACH leaves.

I enjoy the intrigue of this topic. Much easier to think about with a MAC CHAMPIONSHIP, BOWL W, and 11 WIN SEASON under our belts. Tim will be remembered as a hero in my book and I am pumped for the Smith era!



Albin starting to get some of our guys, I understand it was to be expected but still rubs me the wrong way.
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cbarber357
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   Posted: 1/6/2025 5:50:05 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
cbarber357 wrote:
I’ve been debating whether to share this because I don’t want to over-share or project that I know more than what I do, but there have been plenty of cryptic/anonymous posts on this board claiming to have inside knowledge of the Albin leaving/Smith getting hired without and supporting evidence so why not.

Over Christmas I got to talking to some extended family members. It turns out that one of my family members graduated from high school with one of our current players. My relatives mom knows and still talks to the players mom fairly often, last time being after the MAC title game but before the bowl game.

We got to talking about Football and OU and recent events there. Long story short, my relative was told by this player’s mom something to the effect of “yeah, the players weren’t super upset about the old coach leaving, and they were super excited to play for the new one.”

Take that information how you will. It’s far from a first hand source, but said player has been around multiple years and has played in a decent amount of games for us, and definitely went to the same high school as said family.

I do think that lots of things that have happened support this information - 100% participation in the bowl game, relatively low transfer portal entries still, low amount of assistants following Albin, etc.


This checks out. After the MAC Championship, I saw many players posting pics with Coach Smith. Albin leaves and zero players hit the portal to follow him. Everyone stays for the bowl game, except Albin. Had any assistant coaches left before the bowl game? Maybe 1-2, not sure about the timing of that.

After we were decimated by the portal in 2023 before the bowl, ironic how it is the exact opposite in 2024 and only our COACH leaves.

I enjoy the intrigue of this topic. Much easier to think about with a MAC CHAMPIONSHIP, BOWL W, and 11 WIN SEASON under our belts. Tim will be remembered as a hero in my book and I am pumped for the Smith era!



Albin starting to get some of our guys, I understand it was to be expected but still rubs me the wrong way.


As far as I’ve seen so far he’s only had 2 freshman who never/barely saw the field on defense last year, and their position coach is the only major one who went with Albin. He’s not pulled a single key player so far, and under the circumstances it seems like Faanes is the one who got them.

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   Posted: 3/8/2025 1:07:43 PM 
Are we still waiting for find out who the linebacker coach will be?
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M.D.W.S.T
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   Posted: 3/9/2025 8:06:35 PM 
Victory wrote:
Are we still waiting for find out who the linebacker coach will be?


Not sure if it's been said on any of the social media channels, but Chris Woods...

https://footballscoop.com/tag/chris-woods
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