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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/2/2021 6:21:04 PM 
Baseball, volleyball now track and field are open and it seems there were some recent changes in soccer and softball if I recall. I donít know if all this is COVID related, Nellis related or what. Any ideas, but donít say normal changes because thatís too much for that.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/2/2021 7:13:03 PM 
Our new Ad is not willing to settle for mediocrity. She's been here a year and a half and understands that several programs are under performing.
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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/2/2021 8:23:49 PM 
SBH wrote:
Our new Ad is not willing to settle for mediocrity. She's been here a year and a half and understands that several programs are under performing.


I hope she has the dollars and knowledge to get some good new coaches. We will see
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 11:28:08 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Our new Ad is not willing to settle for mediocrity. She's been here a year and a half and understands that several programs are under performing.


I hope she has the dollars and knowledge to get some good new coaches. We will see


Hiring a top flight track and XC coach with OUr resources should be easy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 12:38:20 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
SBH wrote:
Our new Ad is not willing to settle for mediocrity. She's been here a year and a half and understands that several programs are under performing.


I hope she has the dollars and knowledge to get some good new coaches. We will see


Knowledge can (is) be more important than money. It's lazy, dumb and expensive to hire an established, top line coach - especially for 2nd tier sports (though I don't think that's necessarily your suggestion). The key is to hire an up and comer (Nee, Groce, Saul, etc.) and have the insight and knowledge for them to "hit" (Nee, Groce). As you said, we will see.

Worst case scenario we are shedding coaches from under-performing teams, and are giving the teams new breath. Could they be under-performing because of a lack of resources? Absolutely, but you can always find a coach to take on the challenge - see Vanderbilt football.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 1:09:57 PM 
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 1:51:03 PM 
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results

Last Edited: 6/3/2021 1:51:59 PM by mf279801

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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 3:26:22 PM 
mf279801 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results


Track facilities are woefully inadequate. Look where the track is and where the locker rooms are. Some of the field events are across the road from the track in an area that occasionally get mowed. No indoor regulation facility. One head coach for both teams.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 3:28:33 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results


Track facilities are woefully inadequate. Look where the track is and where the locker rooms are. Some of the field events are across the road from the track in an area that occasionally get mowed. No indoor regulation facility. One head coach for both teams.



Well now, letís donít forget about scholarship money and recruiting budgets. I mean, especially on the Menís XC side, they have nothing to do in the spring to compete and get less opportunities. Thatís always appealing to top flight athletes.

Last Edited: 6/3/2021 3:29:57 PM by BillyTheCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/3/2021 7:01:17 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results


Track facilities are woefully inadequate. Look where the track is and where the locker rooms are. Some of the field events are across the road from the track in an area that occasionally get mowed. No indoor regulation facility. One head coach for both teams.



A track and field facility that requires team members to walk across a field to get to the track? Egads.

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/4/2021 3:00:04 PM 
SBH wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results


Track facilities are woefully inadequate. Look where the track is and where the locker rooms are. Some of the field events are across the road from the track in an area that occasionally get mowed. No indoor regulation facility. One head coach for both teams.



A track and field facility that requires team members to walk across a field to get to the track? Egads.



You're on a roll lately. Are you now on the PR payroll? Can you imagine if football had to do the same thing - walk the same distance to get to the football field? It would never happen. Bottom line is sports like track, golf, and wrestling are going to have a difficult time recruiting athletes because of our lack of quality facilities.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/4/2021 3:58:30 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:

You're on a roll lately. Are you now on the PR payroll? Can you imagine if football had to do the same thing - walk the same distance to get to the football field? It would never happen. Bottom line is sports like track, golf, and wrestling are going to have a difficult time recruiting athletes because of our lack of quality facilities.



I disagree, when it comes to wrestling.

Looking at the top programs around the country,facilities, in and of themselves, are not the selling point they are for other sports.

A big selling point is the quality of the program,i.e, how many wrestlers make it to the podium as an All American each year,including National Champions.

When it comes to O.U. there aren't many AA's let alone top finishers.

Another selling point is the quality of coaching.
This includes the number of individual and team National Championships.

A perfect example is what happened to Penn State's program when they hired Cael Sanderson.

Again,on a national level,coaching is not one of O.U.'s strengths,from the head coach down.

O.U. also doesn't have "people in the room".
That is, people like graduates who,although they are no longer competing,act as
training partners.

Nothing like practicing with a national champ every day to provide incentive.

Last but not least is a RTC (Regional Training Center).
Coaches use this to develop their programs.
An RTC attracts top wrestlers at all levels from youth through Olympics and provides higher level training.


Last Edited: 6/4/2021 4:00:36 PM by rpbobcat

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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/5/2021 10:59:29 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:

You're on a roll lately. Are you now on the PR payroll? Can you imagine if football had to do the same thing - walk the same distance to get to the football field? It would never happen. Bottom line is sports like track, golf, and wrestling are going to have a difficult time recruiting athletes because of our lack of quality facilities.



I disagree, when it comes to wrestling.

Looking at the top programs around the country,facilities, in and of themselves, are not the selling point they are for other sports.

A big selling point is the quality of the program,i.e, how many wrestlers make it to the podium as an All American each year,including National Champions.

When it comes to O.U. there aren't many AA's let alone top finishers.

Another selling point is the quality of coaching.
This includes the number of individual and team National Championships.

A perfect example is what happened to Penn State's program when they hired Cael Sanderson.

Again,on a national level,coaching is not one of O.U.'s strengths,from the head coach down.

O.U. also doesn't have "people in the room".
That is, people like graduates who,although they are no longer competing,act as
training partners.

Nothing like practicing with a national champ every day to provide incentive.

Last but not least is a RTC (Regional Training Center).
Coaches use this to develop their programs.
An RTC attracts top wrestlers at all levels from youth through Olympics and provides higher level training.




Of which we have none of.
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giacomo
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/22/2021 10:10:05 AM 
In any sport we should have integrity, students graduating and not getting in trouble and be competitive most years. Pretty simple and shouldnít cost a lot of money. Money we donít have.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Whatís going on in the athletic department?
   Posted: 6/24/2021 7:32:18 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
SBH wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
mf279801 wrote:
shabamon wrote:
For the ignorant, what makes or breaks a track/XC program at the college level in terms of facilities, equipment, or personnel? Are there any areas we are lacking?


Well, we donít have a menís track team, so thatís one of the 4 (track/XC x Men/Women) broken, and the lack of a track team pretty severely hamstrings (pun somewhat intended) the Menís XC team prospects. [Source: my one buddy who ran Cross and Track at OHIO]

Edited to add that my buddy did think a change in coaching was warranted based on results


Track facilities are woefully inadequate. Look where the track is and where the locker rooms are. Some of the field events are across the road from the track in an area that occasionally get mowed. No indoor regulation facility. One head coach for both teams.



A track and field facility that requires team members to walk across a field to get to the track? Egads.



Can you imagine if football had to do the same thing - walk the same distance to get to the football field? It would never happen.



Well, it did happen. In the mid 1970's the football locker room was in Peden and the players had to walk out the south end, take the trail west(before the bike path) under Richland Avenue, walk past what is now Tail Great and about where the baseball field is now the boyz would congregate for the start of practice.

FWIW: Under that bridge was a huge metal tube, rumor was that it was the AT&T connections between points north and south. It was rumored that communications for all points between Atlanta and Columbus would be without long distance if someone had taken an axe to the big tube and detached the wires.
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