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  Message Not Read  TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/12/2020 9:38:09 AM 
Somewhat of a mystery as to why Mel Tucker would leave something that he had going in the right direction at Colorado to tread the deflated football program and the scandals that have plagued Michigan State in recent years. Whatever the case, could we see the return of Central's Jim McElwain back to Colorado picking up where he left off at Colorado State a few years back?

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state... /

Last Edited: 2/12/2020 9:39:34 AM by cbus cat fan

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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/12/2020 11:29:30 AM 
Follow the money: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/d... /


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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/12/2020 12:07:12 PM 
Yeah, I am not so sure what is hard to figure out. Doubling of a $1.2 Million salary, but not only that, Michigan State has facilities that Colorado can only dream about, add in a better shoe deal and basic infrastructure with an ability to compete on a national stage. Now, there is work to do, but there is NO comparison to the two conferences and the two jobs.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/12/2020 2:12:47 PM 
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/12/2020 2:51:40 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.


The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference.

Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/13/2020 3:08:36 PM 
4th highest pay in the conference....13th in country I believe....plus a commitment to assistant money unlike anything the university has ever seen.

It cost them but at least they were able to avoid the train wreck that was coming.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/15/2020 9:30:07 AM 
87OU Alum wrote:
4th highest pay in the conference....13th in country I believe....plus a commitment to assistant money unlike anything the university has ever seen.

It cost them but at least they were able to avoid the train wreck that was coming.


I doubt they’ve avoided the train wreck, just delayed it.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/15/2020 8:27:05 PM 
There are worse places to live and work than Boulder, Colorado.


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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/17/2020 2:56:10 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.


The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference.

Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job.


With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12?


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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/17/2020 3:09:23 PM 
OUcats82 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.


The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference.

Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job.


With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12?


The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back.
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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/17/2020 4:36:58 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.


The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference.

Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job.


With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12?


The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back.


The Big 12 had/has its own problems with Texas' Longhorn Network deal which pissed off the rest of the conference. But I believe some changes have been made to ensure other members get their fare share. Their issue is they won't be able to have a conference TV deal (like BTN or SEC Net) until the Longhorn Network deal is completed I believe. And they're still wishy washy on whether or not they're going to expand their current roster.

Research facilities or not, the PAC 12 Network has been a complete bust when compared to what the Big Ten, SEC and now ACC have been able to pull off with theirs. Nobody can find the PAC 12 Network and it regularly has some of the conferences best games. The SEC and Big Ten are paying their members pretty much double what the Pac 12 pays theirs, and the gap is only getting bigger.

This doesn't even get into the fact that the conference is hemorrhaging money due to a ridiculous lease in downtown San Francisco and outlandish spending by the commissioner. The Oregonian has been doing a great job covering this league and how they're being left behind:

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/...

So I'm not sure Colorado would love to be back in the Big 12, because culturally I think they fit the PAC 12 better. But financially it's not looking good unless radical changes are made at the top.

This article here shows more updated figures.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/04/the-pac-12-revenue... /

Last Edited: 2/17/2020 4:54:46 PM by GoCats105

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  Message Not Read  RE: TOS to Colorado
   Posted: 2/17/2020 6:08:40 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
OUcats82 wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
I would have stayed at Colorado. Michigan has a hard time competing against the likes of Ohio State, let alone the scandal plagued Spartans. Colorado is a program on the rise in a PAC 12 conference where the dominant powers aren't so dominant anymore, opening the door to relative newcomers like Colorado to once again shine in the national spotlight.


The problem with staying is that it all comes down to money. Colorado being in the city of Boulder (notoriously against big time athletics) and strict on athletic spending anyway is one thing, but then you add the PAC-12's horrible television deal with respect to the rest of the Power 5 and it's a no brainer to make the move he did. Just look at the recruiting from this latest period. The PAC-12 is lagging so far behind it's peers that it's actually going to take a minor miracle to save the conference.

Even with the mess MSU is in, it's still the better job.


With the benefit of hindsight, I'm curious if Colorado regrets leaving the Big 12?


The Big 12 has enough problem of their own. Also, I seem to recall reading somewhere that the PAC 12 prides itself on their research facilities. It seems we often don't figure in the other aspects of athletic conferences, that really have nothing to do with athletics. Apparently Utah was ecstatic when they were admitted, because it means they can have a bigger outreach to Asian nations concerning their academic programs. So no, I am guessing Colorado and Utah have never looked back.


The Big 12 had/has its own problems with Texas' Longhorn Network deal which pissed off the rest of the conference. But I believe some changes have been made to ensure other members get their fare share. Their issue is they won't be able to have a conference TV deal (like BTN or SEC Net) until the Longhorn Network deal is completed I believe. And they're still wishy washy on whether or not they're going to expand their current roster.

Research facilities or not, the PAC 12 Network has been a complete bust when compared to what the Big Ten, SEC and now ACC have been able to pull off with theirs. Nobody can find the PAC 12 Network and it regularly has some of the conferences best games. The SEC and Big Ten are paying their members pretty much double what the Pac 12 pays theirs, and the gap is only getting bigger.

This doesn't even get into the fact that the conference is hemorrhaging money due to a ridiculous lease in downtown San Francisco and outlandish spending by the commissioner. The Oregonian has been doing a great job covering this league and how they're being left behind:

https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/...

So I'm not sure Colorado would love to be back in the Big 12, because culturally I think they fit the PAC 12 better. But financially it's not looking good unless radical changes are made at the top.

This article here shows more updated figures.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/04/the-pac-12-revenue... /



Not sure how invested the area compromising the PAC12 is concerning sports, as compared to professional sports and life in general. It is beautiful country out there, and my experience when I am there is that as a whole, people have other things they are more invested in than college sports. As for finding the PAC 12 network, it is rather easy to find on my Spectrum cable and I don't have any special packages. My guess is that the PAC 12 problems are more related to a culture that is vastly different than the one in which the Big Ten Network thrives.
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