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CatsUp
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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 12/30/2019 4:09:32 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

This league and EMU are cursed.

If further confirmation of this was needed it was just received via the ending of the WMU/WKU game.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 12/30/2019 4:45:23 PM

^Exact same thoughts^

WMU should have won in regulation. Going for it on 4th-and-3 and under a minute. Great playcalling, faking Bellamy up the middle with QB running wide right with open field for the first down and possibly another 10-20 yards. . . but falls down untouched behind the line of scrimmage. . . game goes to OT where WKU wins.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 12/30/2019 7:56:06 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

No game did not go to OT.

That play you describe was the script for an old movie classic, "Return of the Killer Turf Monster." Back in the day, it was often run as double feature with, "Return of the Killer Tomatoes."

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 12/30/2019 8:19:52 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Even then, they should not have lost in regulation. With WKU out of time, and out of FG range, the defensive combo of a 3 man rush, a single linebacker, and 8 defensive backs didn't work out well for WMU. That gave WKU 15 yards and an un-timed down.

Last Edited: 12/30/2019 8:26:22 PM by L.C.

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CatsUp
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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 12/30/2019 8:56:02 PM

L.C. wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I also believe the �turf monster� play actually occurred on third down. This put them somewhere around the WKU 30 yard line. They opted to go for it on fourth and three, rather than try a (47 yd per WMU message board) field goal, and WKU batted down the pass. Their FG kicker was 2-2, also per their message board. WKU made a few successful plays before WMU opted for the 12 man formation that LC alluded to.

Lester is taking a lot of heat from WMU fans. Not really undeserving it seems.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/1/2020 1:17:37 PM

CatsUp wrote:

L.C. wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

I didn't see the game, but it's hard to blame Lester for going for it on fourth down. Including the bowl game, Kapps was only 12 of 17 kicking FGs this season and his longest was 45 yds. A try from there would be at the edge of his range.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/1/2020 4:30:55 PM

Pataskala wrote:

CatsUp wrote:

L.C. wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

That wasn't the call that cost the game. It might have worked, and gotten an easier FG. Even not making it, the game should have gone to OT. The 12 man defense, though, he deserves some heat for that.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/2/2020 4:56:35 PM

At least the MAC won't have worst record among conferences this bowl season. The B12 gets that honor. B12 finished 1-5 this season. Texas won but the rest (Okla, OklaSt, IowaSt, K-State and Baylor) all lost. The worst the MAC can be is 2-5.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/2/2020 8:16:51 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

ESPN rolls out the best of the 40 bowl games, ranks our bowl 39th and takes a swipe at a 6-6 MAC team that's playing in a bowl.

Honestly, I think our game on paper will be one of the more entertaining bowl games. There should definitely be a few points put on the scoreboard by the end of the day in Boise. The writer of this article might have egg on his face at the end of this one.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28232056...

A close read of the article didn't say that at all. The writer made a point that all bowl games are good. He simply mentioned that "some" joke about a 6 and 6 MAC team. He actually call thiem "poor misguided souls."

We are still ranked 39 out of 40. I can't imagine our game will be the second worst bowl game to watch.

Nevada was already was on the struggle bus, they�ve fired 3 defensive coaches, and suspended 4 starters on defense. The best part about this game is the Bobcats are playing, after that it gets dull real quick to me.

Wrong again BTC, the MWC suspended the Nevada players, Nevada didn't have a say in it.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/2/2020 9:18:26 PM

D.A. wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

cbus cat fan wrote:

We are still ranked 39 out of 40. I can't imagine our game will be the second worst bowl game to watch.

Wrong again, the MWC suspended the Nevada players, Nevada didn't have a say in it.

Players were suspended, sorry for my lack of semantics, however, Billy is correct on this one as well, 4 players suspended, that is what really matters, or does Nevada lose 2 points for the MWC suspending the players?

Last Edited: 1/2/2020 9:20:25 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/3/2020 2:44:17 PM

Hopefully we can win this game and keep our:

*Record above .500

*Another bowl victory and last win for Senior class

*Momentum going into offseason

*Keep the MAC East rolling as the WEST absolutely goose-egged our win column for the conference in bowl games.

Last Edited: 1/3/2020 2:45:18 PM by ExCat21

CatsUp
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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/6/2020 8:13:45 PM

As much as I dislike Miami I do hope they win their bowl game tonight. After some rough bowl seasons the MAC can finally have a winning one again if they do so (4-3). The conference has also lost seven straight bowl games to the Sunbelt.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/6/2020 11:09:01 PM

In the end, only one MAC team ended up with fewer than 6 losses for the year, that being Buffalo, at 8-5. Six others end with 6 losses (Ohio, Miami, Kent, CMU, WMU, and Toledo), while another three had 7 losses (NIU, Ball St, and EMU). That's quite some parity.

Last Edited: 1/6/2020 11:21:21 PM by L.C.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 11:14:11 AM

L.C. wrote:

Parity ... yes, by definition.

It's also putrid. 10-34 vs. FBS opponents (and that includes the bowls) ... throw out the bowl games and it's 7-30.

1-21 vs. P5 schools (Illinois)

I don't have time to go thru previous years .... but this seems like a pretty bad year for the league (even with the 3-4 bowl record)

Against leagues that MAC likes to say they're comparable too (CUSA, SBC) ... 3-7. Yes, they did go 3-1 vs. MWC ... but three of those games (2-1) were bowl games and I never like to use those as a litmus test because you can never really tell the motivation of a team during a bowl game (i.e. SD State last year vs. Ohio .... BC this year vs. UC)

Bottom line ... I think this was a pretty down year for the league as a whole when you consider they didn't have any BIG wins and no, even, semi-dominant team in or out of the league ... yet you still had two of the worst in FBS in BG and Akron.

The only thing I will say, they didn't have as many downtrodden programs as they've had in the past. For instance, CUSA had five teams in the Bottom 20 of the Massey Ratings compared to only two from the MAC.

So I guess as a whole ... the league is getting "better" .... but they're collectively still very mediocre at best this year (worst in the Massey Ratings). Case in point, your title game was CMU vs. Miami. C'mon.

Last Edited: 1/7/2020 11:15:23 AM by bshot44

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 11:37:00 AM

It seems that every year the MAC has one or two not-very-good teams, but most years they have 1-2 good teams at the other end, so that it averages out. This year there were no "good" teams, but they had one bad team and one especially putrid teams. (per Sagarin Akron was #212, BG was #172, putting BG in the middle of FCS teams, and Akron well below most FCS schools).

I'm not going to look it up, but it seems to me that this is the first time I remember the MAC with only a single P5 win; usually I think they have 2-4 of them. On the whole, it was not a good year for the MAC, though seeing them win a few bowl games was perhaps the lone bright spot.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 1:55:57 PM

You are correct LC as in 2018 Eastern beat Purdue, Akron knocked off Northwestern and Buffalo beat Rutgers for at least three P5 wins for the MAC. As for someone guessing what type of motivation San Diego St. had in the bowl game last season, I have no idea. However, I wouldn't be so quick to say that they weren't motivated to win that game. The Bobcats played well and shut them out winning 27-0. That same Aztec team beat Arizona St and won at Boise St earlier in the season. The Aztecs won 39 football games from 2015-18, so they weren't a cupcake. The Frisco bowl win was a good win, just as beating UNC in Chapel Hill in basketball in 2002 was a nice win. Matt Doherty had a terrible team that season and won only 8 games, but the Bobcats got the job done in Chapel Hill that season.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 2:47:19 PM

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You are essentially discrediting your own argument.

Ohio's win at UNC in 2002 was a lot of fun. I was there ... was a helluva trip. But it's what I would like to call a "media guide cover win". In reality, that was a really, really bad UNC team ... but you will always be able to say Ohio won at the Dean Dome. But I would hardly classify it as anything super sensational. It was literally the worst season in UNC basketball history.

As far as last year's Frisco Bowl ... you can't tell me that SD State was motivated. I was there and that was as flat as an effort I've seen from a bowl team since BC literally tried to quit this year's Birmingham Bowl.

Facts:

SDSU at one point was 6-1 and in the driver's seat to win the MWC then proceeded to lose 4 of their last 5 regular season games to finish a wildly disappointing 7-5.

MWC title game hopes ... gone. Top 25 ranking ... gone. 10-win season ... gone. Big bowl game ... gone. Instead they get to play a MAC team that I'm guessing the majority of the team had never heard of (considering they had one player from the Eastern Time Zone and that was Tampa)

This was a postgame quote: �Obviously, we didn�t come ready to play,� SDSU safety Parker Baldwin said. �Maybe the off the field things that happened (three players were suspended Monday for a violation of team rules) before the game distracted us. That might have put us out of our zone. We were definitely not ourselves today.�

That SCREAMS of a team who's heads weren't in the game.

And on top of it ... these guys left beautiful, sunny San Diego to play in front of approx 3000 people in cold, rainy Frisco ... which is essentially Easton with a soccer stadium (if you are from the Columbus area)

For Ohio's sake ... it's another great "media guide win" .... a bowl shutout. First-ever back-to-back bowl wins. A lot of great PR fodder.

But I would not classify that as some amazing Ohio win. Considering how things played out, that's a game Ohio should have won. They went into it as 3-point favorites and the way SDSU played, Ohio did what you would have expected against at team going thru the motions.

Try winning a meaningful MAC game in November ... and that will impress me light years more than that bowl win over SDSU

Last Edited: 1/7/2020 2:48:46 PM by bshot44

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 2:47:31 PM

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 4:39:28 PM

bshot44 wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Say what you will, Ohio's 3-0 against the MWC in bowl games this decade. We own the MWC!! hahahaha

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/7/2020 8:16:19 PM

"SDSU at one point was 6-1 and in the driver's seat to win the MWC then proceeded to lose 4 of their last 5 regular season games to finish a wildly disappointing 7-5.

MWC title game hopes ... gone. Top 25 ranking ... gone. 10-win season ... gone. Big bowl game ... gone. Instead they get to play a MAC team that I'm guessing the majority of the team had never heard of (considering they had one player from the Eastern Time Zone and that was Tampa)

This was a postgame quote: �Obviously, we didn�t come ready to play,� SDSU safety Parker Baldwin said. �Maybe the off the field things that happened (three players were suspended Monday for a violation of team rules) before the game distracted us. That might have put us out of our zone. We were definitely not ourselves today.�

It is easy for a player to say the team didn't come prepared after a 27-0 thumping! Anyone can say that after they get beat bad. The fact is the Bobcats won the game that was scheduled and they beat the Aztecs by a great margin. Do you ever give this program credit for anything? You are constantly nitpicking a lack of a league title and downgrading this football team. The majority of people who log on to this website realize Ohio hasn't won a conference championship since Cleve Bryant played. We all want a MAC title, but we do not constantly post negative remarks after a game. Put up the cash to buy Frank out! It is evident you are tired of supporting him and this team. I'm certain the new AD and the president will be happy to listen to your constant negative complaints. Maybe you should shift your posts to other college websites like TOSU or an SEC school that will not tolerate losing one game. Give it a rest as one day Frank will retire on his own terms and then you will be able to jump up and down celebrating.

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Posted: 1/7/2020 8:23:28 PM

"MWC title game hopes ... gone. Top 25 ranking ... gone. 10-win season ... gone. Big bowl game ... gone. Instead they get to play a MAC team that I'm guessing the majority of the team had never heard of (considering they had one player from the Eastern Time Zone and that was Tampa)"

The same could be said for the Bobcats last season. MAC title chances gone and nothing to play for, but they responded to thump the Aztecs. The same could be said for Ohio this season as they were disappointed to be playing in the Boise bowl vs Nevada after losing close league games, but they didn't quit and came up with the victory. Sometimes people forget that. This team and the 2018 team did not quit. As a Bobcat alum and fan I am proud of that.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/9/2020 4:40:46 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

You are constantly nitpicking a lack of a league title and downgrading this football team. The majority of people who log on to this website realize Ohio hasn't won a conference championship since Cleve Bryant played. We all want a MAC title, but we do not constantly post negative remarks after a game.

First off ... learn to properly use the quote button. It's much easier than scrolling thru something with quotation marks around it to find where you're trying to comment.

Secondly ... c'mon. You lack of originality is tiresome. Just like most responses to my posts. I understand that most know Ohio hasn't won a league title in a long time ... so I'm just supposed to ignore the MASSIVE elephant in the room? I'm never allowed to bring it up when comparing a bowl win against winning a league title? And I most certainly do not post negative remarks after every game. It's just a lazy statement to make ... the easy way out.

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Put up the cash to buy Frank out! It is evident you are tired of supporting him and this team. I'm certain the new AD and the president will be happy to listen to your constant negative complaints. Maybe you should shift your posts to other college websites like TOSU or an SEC school that will not tolerate losing one game. Give it a rest as one day Frank will retire on his own terms and then you will be able to jump up and down celebrating.

You. Are. Absurd.

I encourage you to go back and re-read the hundreds of posts I've made about Frank Solich and how he should NOT be fired and how I have nothing but respect for what he's done for Ohio's football program. But no ... be lazy and just jump to the ridiculous "Put up the cash to buy him out" line. SMFH.

I've carried the flag saying Frank will retire on his own terms. But you would have to actually read past comments to see that. Much easier to just spout out nonsense about my views ...

J. O. K. E. R.

Not tolerate losing one game? HAHAHAHAHA! That is so laughable. Get a clue ... do your research. Quit making lazy blanket statements because you disagree with what I say.

Does Frank Solich have more wins than any coach in MAC history? Yep.

Does Frank Solich have more losses than any coach in MAC history? Damn close. He'll pass Ohio's own Bill Hess next year most likely ... unless he can do something he's only done once in 15 years at Ohio ... win 10 games in a season.

Frank has been an absolute godsend for Ohio football ... and has done an incredible job turning what was a downtrodden, forgotten, bumbling program into a consistent above-average program. That is NOT a slight. That is just the truth.

He's won 58% of his games at Ohio ... no championships ... and has appeared in the league title game 4 out of 15 years. All of that is above average. And I am thankful for it. It's why I fully support a statue in front of Peden Stadium and them renaming it to Frank Solich Field at Peden Stadium at some point.

I'm also just ready for the next guy to come in and see where he can take it because I think it's been proven that Ohio has flown as high as they can under Solich. If it hasn't happened in 15 years, it's probably not in the cards.

I'm also ready to stop reading this ridiculous comments of how I HATE Frank and don't appreciate what he's done ... and that I have no feel for where Ohio football was before. And that 7-6 is GREAT compared to where they were before Frank when they went 1-11.

Blah. Blah. Blah.

Just stop. Don't be lazy. Don't come at me with false rhetoric.

Bobcat1996 wrote:

The same could be said for the Bobcats last season. MAC title chances gone and nothing to play for, but they responded to thump the Aztecs. The same could be said for Ohio this season as they were disappointed to be playing in the Boise bowl vs Nevada after losing close league games, but they didn't quit and came up with the victory. Sometimes people forget that. This team and the 2018 team did not quit. As a Bobcat alum and fan I am proud of that.

If you can not watch a football game tell if a team is engaged, I'm sorry.

Ohio was more than engaged in their last three bowl games. I give Solich and his staff all kinds of credit.

The only year I can remember Ohio not looking fully engaged was the dreadful Beef O'Brady Bowl loss to ECU.

Other than that, Ohio's bowl efforts have always been strong under Frank. Even the year where it appeared they threw in the towel on the season in 2012 with how the regular season ended ... they rallied for an emphatic win in the Independence Bowl vs. ULM.

I cannot say the same for SDSU's effort in that game last year. Once they hit the field, you could tell they were not playing with the same energy as Ohio. It was readily apparent.

We almost got to that point vs. Nevada in the 2H ... and I fully think the Pack would've packed it in had Ohio scored in the 3Q to go up 28. Instead Ohio fumbles, Nevada scores two quick TDs and suddenly they had life.

Down 28 ... and Ohio just strolls to a blowout win.

After a couple years of (I'm trying to think of a kind word for quitting) what appeared to be not 100% effort in late season games in 2012 and 2013 ... that problems seems to have disappeared at Ohio. I'm not sure what happened in those years ... but you don't see Ohio get drubbed by 30+ multiple weeks in a row anymore (or ever for that matter)

The program fights hard every game ... and I think a lot of that is Nathan Rourke and the way he battles. It's why I LOVE Rourke so much more that Tettleton. I, sadly, can't say with conviction that Tettleton was "all-in" every game. I never had that thought about Rourke. And I think the team feeds off that from their leader.

Ohio may have come up short three straight years in November in games that mattered ... but it wasn't for a lack of effort. It's wildly disappointing and frustrating that Ohio somehow never played for a MAC title with Rourke at QB ... but it's the truth. And I'm sorry if that bothers me and I occasionally comment my frustrations. It doesn't make me any less of a diehard fan than you. You digest the losses differently than me. So what.

I'm not telling you how you should feel about this program ... but you have no problem with projecting on me how I should be reacting. Again ... get your facts straight before you drop generalizations on my position on Ohio football. Don't be lazy.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/9/2020 6:33:52 PM

bshot44: I'm not at liberty to discusses specifics but in those mystery years of big thumpings late in the season there were some serious locker room issues. If you go back and listen to Frank's statements at the end of one of those season, he said in typical Frank-speak that he had been dealing with problems of a type he never had dealt with in his whole coaching career. Trust me. He wasn't blowing smoke.

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RE: The MAC bowl lineup

Posted: 1/9/2020 11:46:24 PM

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I totally believe it. As frustrating as the November losses have been the last three years ... it wasn't because of effort. They just couldn't figure out how to get over the proverbial hump.

But those meltdowns in 12 & 13 were infuriating. You could tell something was off ... the effort, the lack of disgust with their play. It was all around ugly.

So I totally agree with you ... there were definitely problems.

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