BobcatAttack.com - For Fans of Ohio University Sports

Welcome Guest!
Create an Account

site search

about us

advertise with us

help

BobcatAttack.com Message Board

General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events

Topic: RE: Common Denominator

Topic: RE: Common Denominator

Author

Message

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 3:20:27 PM

"Stop being such a whiny, defensive little child."

B Love sense of shame- I provide you with information and what you do with it is your business. If you don't like what I or some others say on this forum you continually berate them. Fact # 1 After working at Ohio for about 16 years Russ was paid less than 48K a year and asked for a small salary bump and he was told no. Google his salary at Ohio University. It is public knowledge. Fact # 2 Dixon was paid less than 44K at his Director of Ticket operations job at Ohio University when he was working for the athletics department. Google his salary. It is public knowledge. His position was in the bottom half of the conference for that position. Fact #3 Albin was the 6th highest paid football coach in the league as per October 2024 USA TODAY and 7th lowest if you include newcomer UMASS in the equation. Fact #4 Albin's record in the conference was 16-8 after three years. Fact #5 Only Jason Candle at Toledo won more games during those three years in league games. Fact #6 The administration was aware that Albin interviewed with Rice University several days before the Ball State game. Fact #7 The administration had ample time between the Rice interview and the weekend of the Ball State game to get a contract ironed out. The administration failed to make it happen. Fact #8 Four long time male employees who worked at Ohio University's athletics department have all left in the last several months. Coincidence maybe. Maybe not?

I can provide you with more facts, but it won't matter because you support the administration. That is your choice. I choose differently. That is what makes this world go around. We don't have to agree on everything.

And one more thing. Please ask an athletic department official about the upcoming football contract with West Virginia. It could be that you think that Ohio receiving a total of $1 million dollars is a great deal for a three game series with a Big 12 school.

Last Edited: 1/22/2025 3:29:03 PM by Bobcat1996

Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,206

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 3:42:22 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

First, your statement about dignity comes down to just not paying them enough. You mention that Russ wasn't given his salary request. This seems to indicate that you know about that. What was he asking? Then you discuss Dixon's salary. You mention that his pay was in the bottom half of the conference. Well, mathematically, 50% of people in that role across the conference are always going to be in the bottom half of pay. Was he requesting a pay bump? How much was he looking for and do we know that Julie was the one to turn him down?

Then, regarding WVU. Many people keep harping about the contract. Go to the school and file a FOIA request for that contract. That's what I did last year for Coach Boals's contract and the university complied and sent me a copy. That's where we were able to see that it was actually renegotiated more recently than many had considered. Also, regarding the WVU contract, one of the reasons the pay is minimal for the three games is that one of those games, coming up this year, is in Athens. They aren't going to pay us to have us host them. Part of the deal was that it was a 2-for-1. We can be upset that we are not getting enough from them, but we can't then ask for bigger name schools to come to Peden but then be upset when those schools are not paying us what we want to have them come to us.

Last Edited: 1/22/2025 3:42:55 PM by Kevin Finnegan

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 4:03:06 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

"Stop being such a whiny, defensive little child."

B Love sense of shame- I provide you with information and what you do with it is your business.

Not sure how to be more clear about this: you have not provided any information. You keep saying things like "ask them how they were treated in those meetings" but not providing any information about how they were treated in those meetings.

Bobcat1996 wrote:

If you don't like what I or some others say on this forum you continually berate them.

No, not everybody. But you, yes. And at this point, it's more than warranted. You're a broken record on this topic, and the only supporting evidence you provide is about pay.

There's a massive, massive gulf between Russ/Dixon/Albin made less money than you think they deserve and Julie Comer doesn't treat people with dignity.

It's downright irresponsible to post what you posted in this thread and to come back with nothing but an opinion that three dudes should have been paid more. If you want to talk about athletic department salaries, knock yourself out. But to try and dress that up as Cromer being abusive, sexist, and failing to treat her employees with dignity is pathetic.

If you were smart enough, you'd be ashamed. But you've proven to be pretty stupid over the last couple of months, so I'm not holding my breath.

If you can't provide even a single shred of evidence -- even anectdotal -- about Cromer treating people poorly in meetings, being sexist, or behavior that rises to the level of treating people without dignity you should be absolutely embarrassed.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 4:08:01 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

At least four male employees have left the Ohio University athletics department in the last couple of years.

Bobcat1996 wrote:

One common denominator. The current AD. All long time employees, but suddenly they are gone. Some of you have no idea how miserable the work environment was for many employees under the current AD.

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Some of you have no idea how these employees were treated!

These are serious accusations to make about a person publicly. And they have nothing to do with pay. You have provided no evidence to support them, beyond your own insistence that people you think should have been paid more, weren't. That is not evidence of sexism, a miserable work environment, or poor treatment. It is, most likely, just an budgetary reality.

It's becoming pretty clear you don't have any evidence to support these accusations, and just think she should have paid these guys more. You should share some, because right now you're coming across as pretty pathetic. We get that you don't like Cromer. Be an adult, take a few deep breaths, and stop trying to slander her unless you can provide evidence. It's gross and the entire Ohio University community deserves better.

Last Edited: 1/22/2025 4:17:44 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

Bobcat Love
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 1,193

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 5:01:04 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

It could be that you think that Ohio receiving a total of $1 million dollars is a great deal for a three game series with a Big 12 school.

This is really off the rails. In keeping with calling it down the middle, it's technically a 1 game series with WVU. Since they (very respectably) agreed to come to Athens, it is my opinion that the Home/Home should be a push. We should be getting paid CORRECTLY for the 3rd game which is technically a Non-Conference Home game against a G5 for WVU.

As I've said all along (And told every conference commissioner and deputy commissioner) - this contract should be for a minimum $5 Million, but it's not based in the logic that you state.

2025 @ Ohio - $0 Payout to Both
2027 @ WVU - $0 Payout to Both
2029 @ WVU - $5 Million Minimum. Should actually be on a sliding scale with the CFP Payouts and Network distributions to the Big 12. Could be more than $5 Million by 2029, but $5 Million is the absolute minimum for a G5 @ P4 game.

You can blame Cromer and Gonzalez for a lot of things, but I absolutely don't believe gender discrimination is part of the equation. Sorry. Breach/Lack of Fiduciary Responsibility and poor Management of market dynamics is far more in play for this situation.

If $1.9 Million to play the financial monster that is Ohio State doesn't make you vomit, I'm not sure what will.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 5:13:48 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

2029 @ WVU - $5 Million Minimum. Should actually be on a sliding scale with the CFP Payouts and Network distributions to the Big 12. Could be more than $5 Million by 2029, but $5 Million is the absolute minimum for a G5 @ P4 game.

I don't understand this part of your argument. What's the connection between an out-of-conference, home buy game and the CFP Payouts and TV deal distribution? How do you make the case that the payout should be connected to TV revenue? The game's not part of the TV deal, right?

Bobcat Love
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 1,193

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 5:23:59 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

If I make money off the backs of your labor (via TV and the Playoff) - I should compensate you. P4 wants 8-9 home games minimum, and they want wins towards the playoff. The G5 is the only group that can supply the inventory for those non conference games to get the P5 to 8-9 home games with a suitable # of wins, unless they want to play horrible D2/NAIA teams or feast on each other and lose the 8th/9th home game. If you take out the 3-4 Non Conference games at the beginning of the year against G5 teams, you have serious holes in the schedule that have to be filled for TV inventory. This isn't hard. Make them pay.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 5:29:03 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

How much inventory is there? How many games do their TV deals cover each season?

Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,206

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 5:50:59 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

It could be that you think that Ohio receiving a total of $1 million dollars is a great deal for a three game series with a Big 12 school.

This isn't accurate. A home game for us and a home game for them are not equal. If that were the case, we would have more home and home games with P4 schools. Instead, our home and homes are with Sun Belt or Mountain West schools. A P4 home game is far more valuable, so they would not do a 1-to-1 trade. To get them to our place, we had to give something else up. What was that something else? Money on the end of the third game. So, that $1 million is not us showing fiduciary negligence by agreeing to a single game at $1 million. It was us agreeing to trade a 2-for-1 and still get money on our end. If we back out of the deal after we host them, we are likely on the hook for a hefty payday to WVU. They've upheld their end of the deal once they roll into Athens.

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 7:52:08 PM

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 7:59:45 PM

"First, your statement about dignity comes down to just not paying them enough. You mention that Russ wasn't given his salary request. This seems to indicate that you know about that. What was he asking? Then you discuss Dixon's salary. You mention that his pay was in the bottom half of the conference. Well, mathematically, 50% of people in that role across the conference are always going to be in the bottom half of pay. Was he requesting a pay bump? How much was he looking for and do we know that Julie was the one to turn him down?"

Kevin F- If you were making less than $48 K after working 16 years in one place and asked for an increase of pay to get you over $50 K, do you think that is unreasonable? Who do you think is in charge in the athletics department? Who calls the shots? It certainly isn't the equipment manager.

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/22/2025 8:13:37 PM

"This isn't accurate. A home game for us and a home game for them are not equal. If that were the case, we would have more home and home games with P4 schools. Instead, our home and homes are with Sun Belt or Mountain West schools. A P4 home game is far more valuable, so they would not do a 1-to-1 trade. To get them to our place, we had to give something else up. What was that something else? Money on the end of the third game. So, that $1 million is not us showing fiduciary negligence by agreeing to a single game at $1 million. It was us agreeing to trade a 2-for-1 and still get money on our end. If we back out of the deal after we host them, we are likely on the hook for a hefty payday to WVU. They've upheld their end of the deal once they roll into Athens."

Kevin F- It could be that you received different information than I received. I was told that the total deal would be worth $1.1 million dollars for the three games. Ohio pays WVU $100,000 for traveling to Athens and Ohio gets $550,000 for each game they play in Morgantown. The total net on this deal is $1 million dollars for Ohio. If that is the case then Ohio is making $333,333 per game. Any way you slice it that is a bad business deal for the Bobcats. And while you are asking, please contact the football coaches and see if they like playing three power four schools in three consecutive weeks. If the athletic department is that hard up for cash, then ask the basketball program to play 75% of the non conference schedule vs power four schools for money. Guessing the injuries will be alot less in basketball than in football.

And it is very evident many of you do not care for Albin. I guess you don't like winning ten games year after year after year. You ignore the fact that the 2024 team won a conference championship for the first time since 1968. You ignore the fact that this team won all these games this season after losing 13 players to power four schools in the portal. You ignore the fact that no coach in the MAC won more league games than Albin the last four years. You ignore the fact that Albin was conference Coach of the Year for two out of his four seasons in Athens. In most universities, it wouldn't be the coach that was leaving after that type of success, it would be the administrator that couldn't finish the deal. Like I mentioned before, some of you will never admit that this administration ever made a mistake. I know better. And like I have said before, please feel free to ask these former employees how they were treated by this administration.

Last Edited: 1/22/2025 8:29:17 PM by Bobcat1996

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/23/2025 9:12:03 AM

At this point it seems like there's no choice but to conclude that Bobcat1996's accusations of sexism, failure to treat people with dignity, and treating people poorly in meetings are hyperbole, and he just feels that we should have paid more to keep his friends on Athens.

That the conversation shifted to a discussion of the WVU contract is just more evidence of that. They want to have a conversation about Cromer's job performance. Totally valid, and there are plenty of those here.

But until Bobcat1996 or BTC have the decency to support their public claims with (at minimum) anecdotal evidence, this is just straight up scummy. I'm not sure I can remember a lower point for this board. As we're all aware, there's a media vacuum in Athens as it relates to OU athletics, and we all know that some the OU community uses this site to fill that vacuum. We should have a higher standard than this. It's gross behavior and folks should be ashamed.

Last Edited: 1/23/2025 9:18:16 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,206

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/23/2025 9:57:49 AM

If the environment was so toxic, it seems strange that we were able to retain so much of our staff and players during the coaching change.

Morris Mound
General User

Member Since: 10/27/2016
Location: Cleveland, OH
Post Count: 74

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/23/2025 10:19:09 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

At least four male employees have left the Ohio University athletics department in the last couple of years. Maybe a few more have departed that I am not remembering? Russ Eisenstein, Michael Stephens, Ray Dixson and Tim Albin. Personality conflicts with the current administration? Maybe for one or two? But for four or more? One common denominator. The current AD. All long time employees, but suddenly they are gone. Some of you have no idea how miserable the work environment was for many employees under the current AD. I remember a few months ago many Bobcat Attackers wondering why Russ would leave without having another solid job lined up. Well for one reason he was underpaid compared to his peers in the league. Russ asked for a paltry raise and after working 13-14 years at Ohio and was told NO. He wasn't asking for a huge raise, but a small one. Michael Stephens worked at Ohio for over nine years. I'm certain that Ray Dixon was underpaid compared to his position among the MAC schools. The two time MAC coach of the year in football and the most successful coach in the conference the last three seasons left. Some of you have no idea how these employees were treated! Don't take my word for it! Ask each and every one of these people. Some older Bobcat fans will remember former AD Harold McElhaney who died in 2023. McElhaney didn't have the complete support of the University at times during his tenure, but one thing I remember about him was that he was respected by his employees. Harold was a people person who treated individuals with respect and dignity.

Incredible stuff. This is the kind of brainrot you can only see on a college sports message board.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/23/2025 10:41:18 AM

This thread is basically the equivalent of publicly proclaiming that Jeff Boals is sexist, fosters an abusive work environment, and his players feel like they're treated without dignity.

And then as evidence for that suggesting that he should have switched to a matchup zone against Eastern Michigan.

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/23/2025 7:59:19 PM

Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 1,149

Status: Offline

Message Not Read RE: Common Denominator
Posted: 1/23/2025 9:57:49 AM

"If the environment was so toxic, it seems strange that we were able to retain so much of our staff and players during the coaching change."

Kevin F- Let me give you a rundown of who left and who stayed. The staff that stayed are as follows. Coach Isphording QB coach who has two kids in the local public schools. Coach Scott DL coach who has all his kids still attending the local public schools. Coach Hauser DC who has all his kids attending the local public schools. Coach D Smith DB coach who has a wife working in Columbus with a great job and a boy attending schools in Columbus. Coach Allen the WR coach who has kids attending local public schools. Tyler Shumate new Strength coach and has a little child stayed. Coach Covington DFO stayed and has no kids. Coach Obly (previous GA) has no kids and got promoted to TE coach to replace Coach Metz. As you can see from above many of the coaches that stayed have children in local public schools and more than likely that was a huge consideration in staying in Athens.

Coach Faanes DC/LB coach is in Charlotte and has no kids. Coach Metz TE coach is in Charlotte and has no kids. Coach Rudolph OL coach is in Charlotte and his children are grown adults and not in public schools. Brian Haines Appy St. former long time Bobcat TE/special teams coach is joining Albin in Charlotte. Clay Finney personel director/director of recruiting is in Charlotte and has no kids. Jake Miller former strength coach for Ohio for three seasons who departed for UCLA last summer is joining Albin in Charlotte. Ben Gilkey asst strength coach since 2018 at Ohio is now in Charlotte. Tariq Drake Indianapolis a former Safety for the Bobcats who last played in 2022 is joining Albin's staff in Charlotte. Jake Roney GA OL coach is heading to Charlotte. Danny Orrock former Bobcat Defense and Special teams GA and Pitt GA is heading to Charlotte. Tyler Woods asst director of personnel and recent Bobcat GA/alum is now in Charlotte. I am sure I'm missing a few others with Bobcat ties joining Albin in Charlotte. Ohio was able to retain some coaches who had children in local schools, but Coach Albin was also able to hire many staffers with Bobcat ties.

It is evident you are a fan of our current AD. I still don't realize how some of you are anti Albin. It could be that you weren't around in the Cleve and Lichty days. Albin was the most successful coach this university has had in the last 60 plus years and some of you are thrilled he left. You must not appreciate three consecutive ten win seasons or the fact that no MAC team had a better league record than Ohio the last four seasons. Ask some of the old timers if they remember a better stretch for Ohio in the last 60 seasons? After Ohio locked down win number nine this season vs Ball St, most administrators would sprint to try to lock down a deal with a very highly successful head coach. Not this administration. They dropped the ball. Please feel free to get back to me in a few seasons when you see this type of unprecedented success again.

Last Edited: 1/23/2025 8:15:12 PM by Bobcat1996

SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,579

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/24/2025 8:32:02 AM

Any truth to the rumor that Julie Cromer disrespected AJ Clayton's knee and also the newly hired assistant FD coach who decided to leave for more money at SMU?

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
General User

Member Since: 7/30/2010
Post Count: 4,515

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/24/2025 10:21:08 AM

SBH wrote:

Any truth to the rumor that Julie Cromer disrespected AJ Clayton's knee and also the newly hired assistant FD coach who decided to leave for more money at SMU?

I heard she's been aggressively lobbying against increases to the minimum wage up in Columbus. She's fine with increasing it for women, but absolutely won't allow any sort of raise for men.

JSF
General User

Member Since: 1/29/2005
Location: Houston, TX
Post Count: 6,558

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/24/2025 6:22:41 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I still don't realize how some of you are anti Albin. It could be that you weren't around in the Cleve and Lichty days. Albin was the most successful coach this university has had in the last 60 plus years and some of you are thrilled he left. You must not appreciate three consecutive ten win seasons or the fact that no MAC team had a better league record than Ohio the last four seasons. Ask some of the old timers if they remember a better stretch for Ohio in the last 60 seasons? After Ohio locked down win number nine this season vs Ball St, most administrators would sprint to try to lock down a deal with a very highly successful head coach. Not this administration. They dropped the ball. Please feel free to get back to me in a few seasons when you see this type of unprecedented success again.

You seem to be lost. This is the basketball forum.

"Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season.

My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8

SBH
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 4,579

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/24/2025 10:52:21 PM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

And one more thing. Please ask an athletic department official about the upcoming football contract with West Virginia. It could be that you think that Ohio receiving a total of $1 million dollars is a great deal for a three game series with a Big 12 school.

Guess who negotiated and signed the WVU contract: Jim Schaus.

Last Edited: 1/24/2025 10:52:54 PM by SBH

Old Zone

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/26/2025 7:28:35 PM

This Message was Deleted at 1/26/2025 10:30:47 PM

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/26/2025 8:10:32 PM

"Guess who negotiated and signed the WVU contract: Jim Schaus.
Last Edited: 1/24/2025 10:52:54 PM by SBH"

Wrong SBH! The current three year WVU deal was done by the current female AD. This deal was negotiated a few years ago when Schaus was long gone. I realize that you think Ohio's AD can do no wrong, but you are sadly mistaken. Keep dreaming!!! You and a few others were probably around in the 70's, 80's and 90's and early 2000's. I'm sure you were excited about those football teams. You won't admit it, but in your lifetime, Ohio has not achieved the type of success that Coach Albin has brought to this program the last three seasons. Get back to me when you see this football program reach these heights again.

Last Edited: 1/26/2025 8:19:26 PM by Bobcat1996

GraffZ06
General User

Member Since: 1/5/2005
Location: Dayton, OH
Post Count: 2,359

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/26/2025 8:15:54 PM

In conclusion, the common denominator is this is the basketball board and basically nothing posted here is relevant to anything.

Glad we got that cleared up.

Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 1,169

Status: Offline

RE: Common Denominator

Posted: 1/26/2025 8:48:31 PM

8/18/2021 1:30:00 PM

Ohio Football Announces Three-Game Non-Conference Series with West Virginia
FOLLOW OHIO FOOTBALL: Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

ATHENS, Ohio � Ohio Director of Athletics Julie Cromer has announced that the Bobcats have added a three-game non-conference football series with West Virginia.

The first game of the series will be played in Athens, Ohio, on Saturday, Sept. 6, 2025. The second and third games will be played in Morgantown, on Saturday, Sept. 18, 2027 and Saturday, Sept. 1, 2029.

Ohio and West Virginia have met 17 times with the Mountaineers holding a 13-4 series advantage. The two teams last played in 2001 in Morgantown. The Bobcats have only hosted WVU twice, with the last time coming in August of 1949.

The Bobcats open the 2021 season on Saturday, Sept. 4 when Ohio hosts ACC opponent Syracuse. Kick-off is set for 7 p.m. inside Peden Stadium and will be seen on CBS Sports Network. For tickets, click here.

SBH- See above, This wasn't a Schaus deal.

Last Edited: 1/26/2025 8:51:10 PM by Bobcat1996

Showing Replies:	26 - 50 of 53 Posts
Jump to Page:	< Previous 1 \| 2 \| 3 Next >

View Other 'General Ohio University Discussion/Alumni Events' Topics

There are 647 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com

643 Guests
4 Registered Users:
	Pete Chouteau, PhiTau74, chauncey1, 100%Cat

There are no other users looking at this page.