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Topic: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Topic: NIL in Ohio High Schools

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Alan Swank
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NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/5/2022 8:26:58 PM

The vote is coming:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/04... /

Mike Johnson
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/5/2022 10:57:00 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

The vote is coming:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/04... /

Hmmm...Perhaps kids serving on Student Council or with the Latin Club or marching in the band can sell their images to the local Rotary Club. Yeah, I know, far-fetched. Or is it?

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BobcatsWin
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/7/2022 12:11:54 PM

Mike Johnson wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

The vote is coming:

https://www.dispatch.com/story/sports/high-school/2022/04... /

Hmmm...Perhaps kids serving on Student Council or with the Latin Club or marching in the band can sell their images to the local Rotary Club. Yeah, I know, far-fetched. Or is it?

What would prevent the kids on student council or latin club or marching band from selling their images? If there were a market for it, I'm not sure what's stopping them.

SBH
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/8/2022 8:56:00 AM

Heard a radio interview yesterday in which the host claimed a high school coach told him that parents are already "pimping out" their kids to other schools, i.e., "What are you going to be able to do for me to get/keep my son."

This is toxic.

The Optimist
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/8/2022 1:11:11 PM

SBH wrote:

I don't view this as toxic. This country was a better place before child labor laws. It's about time kids learned the value of a hard day's work on the athletic fields. Time for high schools to pay up!

I've seen crazier things happen.

spongeBOB CATpants
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/12/2022 3:40:52 PM

SBH wrote:

You could say that youth sports in general are toxic in 2022. Just saw a tweet where a woman umpiring 12u fast pitch got rocked in the eye by a disgruntled parent as she was walking to her car to leave.

Parents are wild these days.

bobcatsquared
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/12/2022 4:29:17 PM

spongeBOB CATpants wrote:

Which is one of the reasons the Great Resignation began before the pandemic in the field of youth/high school officiating.

greencat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 4/18/2022 8:48:27 PM

The Optimist wrote:

SBH wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-irkxy9zhUY

BillyTheCat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/23/2022 12:39:46 PM

Failed 2:1 margin

bobcatsquared
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/23/2022 2:37:44 PM

Correct, BTC. But will only be temporary.

BillyTheCat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/24/2022 7:59:17 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Correct, BTC. But will only be temporary.

Yep, as soon as NIL enters the neighboring states, the vote will change.

bobcatsquared
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/24/2022 8:10:27 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Correct, BTC. But will only be temporary.

Yep, as soon as NIL enters the neighboring states, the vote will change.

That or until a parent gets the courts involved.

BillyTheCat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/24/2022 9:36:33 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

Correct, BTC. But will only be temporary.

Yep, as soon as NIL enters the neighboring states, the vote will change.

That or until a parent gets the courts involved.

I may be wrong, but I do not think the courts would get involved due to the oversight that schools have in the first place. More worrisome is the GOP legislature, who actually has a Bill to allow NIL, same folks who believe there does not need to be a bill protecting officials.

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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/24/2022 10:11:51 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

More worrisome is the GOP legislature, who actually has a Bill to allow NIL, same folks who believe there does not need to be a bill protecting officials.

Are you referring to the same folks who believe: 1. we don't need fair elections maps (which 75% of Ohio voters approved in 2018)?; 2. the right to vote should be suppressed?; 3. the teaching of the history of race in our country should not be allowed? . . .

Edit: forgot to mention the same folks who believe all Ohioans have the right to conceal and carry without training or a permit. But they'll be sure to have the young school children in Texas in "their thoughts and prayers."

Last Edited: 5/25/2022 11:33:39 AM by bobcatsquared

giacomo
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/24/2022 11:02:35 AM

When I think of all the jobs I had in high school and college to make some spending money, this NIL sounds pretty good. No one complained about me delivering papers, cutting several lawns, including my own. I picked warehouse orders at the Howard Johnson commissary, including the freezer. When that job ended I became a playground supervisor for the city of Parma. In high school I worked on the maintenance crew each summer for $1 an hour to work off my tuition. I actually cleaned every toilet in the school, among other duties. They gave us 10 cents of that in our pocket, so a 40 hour week I received 4 bucks. I also worked the CYO basketball games on the weekend for the same deal. No one seemed to gripe about any of that. Work is work. NIL sounds like a great opportunity. There is a song I like to sing: "Nice work if you can get it"!

BillyTheCat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/25/2022 10:36:33 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

More worrisome is the GOP legislature, who actually has a Bill to allow NIL, same folks who believe there does not need to be a bill protecting officials.

Are you referring to the same folks who believe: 1. we don't need fair elections maps (which 75% of Ohio voters approved in 2018)?; 2. the right to vote should be suppressed?; 3. allowing the teaching of the history of race in our country should not be allowed? . . .

Edit: forgot to mention the same folks who believe all Ohioans have the right to conceal and carry without training or a permit. But they'll be sure to have the young school children in Texas in "their thoughts and prayers."

Yep! Same ones!

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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/25/2022 7:56:01 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

More worrisome is the GOP legislature, who actually has a Bill to allow NIL, same folks who believe there does not need to be a bill protecting officials.

Yep! Same ones!

I emailed Portman and Balderson today congratulating them for taking NRA money hand-over-fist while they express sympathy for 21 more dead shooting victims. It was federal law that allowed an 18-year-old nutcase to buy an assault rifle and use it on children instead of sending it to the Ukraine where it could be put to better use.

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OhioCatFan
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/25/2022 11:41:52 PM

According to this and several other sources I�ve seen the issue was not federal gun law but state gun law:
https://abc13.com/texas-gun-laws-legally-purchase-weapons... /

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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 7:42:40 AM

With the videos circulating of the police waiting outside for 40 minutes while the shooting continues and restraining parents desperate to get inside to try and help, we can officially put the "good guy with a gun" argument to rest.

cc-cat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 9:53:31 AM

The good guys with a gun argument ignores the reality that most self proclaimed "good guys" that proclaim "if I was here" cower when the bullets start flying. Easy to be brace on a range.

Gotta keep the guns out of some hands.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-redu... /

rpbobcat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 4:00:31 PM

cc-cat wrote:

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-redu... /

Interesting article.

I've been target shooting since I was 5 years old.
Got my first .22 for my 8th birthday.

I own several weapons and still target shoot, whenever I can.

So I guess that puts me in the pro gun camp.

That being said, personally ,I don't have any issues with:

1.Background checks for all firearm sales.

2.Mandatory safety course to purchase a firearm.

To me, this is a start, that most people could support.

What I would like to know is what percentage of gun crimes
are committed by people with legally owned firearms.

All the background checks and safety training in the world only work for people looking to legally purchase a firearm.

Last Edited: 5/26/2022 4:03:57 PM by rpbobcat

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 4:53:45 PM

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What I would like to know is what percentage of gun crimes
are committed by people with legally owned firearms.

All the background checks and safety training in the world only work for people looking to legally purchase a firearm.

It's not possible to answer this question because gun laws are so lax in so many states that there's essentially no such thing as an illegal gun. In fact, with only a few exceptions (automatic weapons, sawed off shot guns, and a few others) the only thing that makes a gun illegal is the fact that it's been used in a crime or is owned by a felon.

Where illegal guns do exist in large numbers, they're only illegal because legislation made them so. A gun that's illegal in Chicago isn't when you cross the border into Indiana which places no restrictions on unlicensed sellers making private sales. That's why the vast majority of guns used in crimes in Chicago originate in Indiana. It's why the vast majority of guns used in crimes in New York and New Jersey originate in Virginia.

There's a common misconception that illegal guns are purchased through illegal sales. It's not the case. There are several states in which there's no such thing as an illegal gun, and no restrictions on private sales. There is a huge, huge gun trafficking business where people purchase legal guns in one state and then sell them to felons (who can't own weapons) in states like New York, New Jersey, Illinois, etc.

People bring this point up as if it indicates that even when guns are illegal, people still get them easily. But they only get them because there are too many places in the country where there's no such thing as a legal gun. Had this country had sensible, common sense federal laws that required licensure, tracing, and regulated secondary sales -- like with automobiles -- we wouldn't have created a situation where there are more guns than people in the United States and no feasible way to track or regulate them. It would also make it much harder for guns to get into the wrong hands.

The policies of one party made this particular bed. Americans are paying the price.

Last Edited: 5/26/2022 4:57:03 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

rpbobcat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 7:26:40 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I can only speak to NJ, where I live.

Buy a gun from other then a licensed gun dealer,or a direct person to person sale,without having a firearms license or permit,its illegal.

Get caught with it,whether or not you use it in a crime,its a crime you can go to jail for.

I believe the laws in NY are pretty much the same.

What makes a gun illegal is that you're not following the law of the state you're in.

BillyTheCat
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 9:09:22 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-redu... /

90% of Americans support this.

OhioCatFan
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RE: NIL in Ohio High Schools

Posted: 5/26/2022 9:40:59 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

I'm no second amendment absolutist, but I don't follow you. If there had been a teacher or other school personnel inside the school with a gun, a "good guy with a gun" could have cut this rampage short. The fact that the police were twiddling their thumbs outside would be irrelevant.

In some states, I know, there are programs that allow teachers and other educational personnel in a school to have concealed carry within the school. I'm not a huge advocate of this approach, but in this case it could have saved lives.

I have no problem with any of the restrictions that rpbobcat proposed and that BTC said a high percentage of Americans agree with. However, I don't think that our major problem is the weapon used -- whether it be a gun, a canister bomb, or dynamite, as in the 1927 Bath, MI, school massacre. We are dealing with symptoms here, and not causes. Two relevant issues that get, at least in part, at root causes are, I believe, the devaluing of the lives of our most vulnerable citizens and an increasingly incapacitated mental health system.

Last Edited: 5/26/2022 9:43:21 PM by OhioCatFan

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