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FearLeon
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:12:51 PM 
Pete Chouteau wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Six point lead with Clayton putting up a goose egg at the half. I have to believe that will change significantly in the second half. Really wish Boals would play more of Sheldon and Searls for some of Elmore’s minutes. He is out of sync. His minutes should decrease and he should not be getting more minutes in any game over Elliott moving forward.



It certainly changed significantly in the second half. That was gross.


Gross wasn’t it? Just did not expect the preseason conference of the player of the year to be so disinterested in playing ball. His defense was brutal too. You just expect so much more out of 23 in his senior year to be a leader and have that dawg in him. But the body language on the court just isn’t there.

#23 wasn’t engaged in this one from the opening tip to the final horn.

Gross is right.

Last Edited: 2/8/2025 5:18:45 PM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:14:12 PM 
2pts from Clayton, 2pts from the bench. That's the game right there. Elmore James with 1 TO and 1 personal foul, the only stats he provided, smh.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 5:50:43 PM 
I know the preseason MAC player of the year is getting a chunk of NIL cash? Guessing at this point he and the coach are both overpaid. But hey it is all good because the regular season doesn’t matter.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:04:04 PM 
Sheldon is atrocious. He would be getting absolutely cooked at PING.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:10:39 PM 
M.D.W.S.T wrote:
Sheldon is atrocious. He would be getting absolutely cooked at PING.


Nah, but substitute GROVER for PING and you may be on to something!
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 6:19:35 PM 
Ha ha, is there may be a PING team we could replace the current bobcats team with?

Last Edited: 2/8/2025 7:14:11 PM by Casper71
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 7:16:01 PM 
For those in the Convo for the game, was the young girl who sang the national anthem the highlight of the day? SBH was critical of her rendition, but I thought she did a fantastic job, maybe outperforming whoever is scheduled to sing the anthem before tomorrow's Super Bowl.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 7:26:52 PM 
Not counting Elliot, who made his only two attempts (both in the final minute of the game), Ohio as a team hit 2 of 21 (under 10%) from 3. If I'm not mistaken, those 2 threes by Elliot were Ohio's only 3-pointers in the second half.

Four Bobcats - Elliot, Mitchell, AJB, Pavs - scored 55 of Ohio's 59 points. Ohio has to get something - anything - from AJC, Sheldon and James. The trio combined for as many fouls, 7, as rebounds, and added a combined 4 pts, 2 assists, 0 blocks and 0 steals, while committing 4 turnovers.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 7:55:58 PM 
spongeBOB CATpants wrote:
2pts from Clayton, 2pts from the bench. That's the game right there. Elmore James with 1 TO and 1 personal foul, the only stats he provided, smh.


Elmore passed up some open shots like the rest of the team did for some reason. AJC on the other hand, I’m starting to wish he transferred. I’ve never seen someone play like they don’t care like he did today. I was at the game and kept a close eye on how he acted during offensive and defensive possessions. He didn’t hardly move. Him throwing the ball out of bounds when trying to get it to AJB on our side of the court really should’ve been the last straw. I would’ve kept him on the bench the rest of the game. He’s not the best big in the MAC and definitely not the best player on the team. Vic at least scraps and wants to play on the block.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 9:00:01 PM 
The national anthem today was sung in the warble like crazy school of anthem singing. Apparently auditioning for the Voice by singing the national anthem is how it is done but as someone who grew up in a household whose mother was a trained opera singer, it was painful to listen to today.
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 9:03:36 PM 
yamaha45701 wrote:
The national anthem today was sung in the warble like crazy school of anthem singing. Apparently auditioning for the Voice by singing the national anthem is how it is done but as someone who grew up in a household whose mother was a trained opera singer, it was painful to listen to today.


Anybody have a video of this "performance?'
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 9:06:20 PM 
All of this angst about losing to a Sunbelt Team. Check out the latest rankings by conference. I watch two very closely - the MAC and Ivy (former next door neighbor is the head coach at Yale). Man has the MAC fallen big time.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/...
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   Posted: 2/8/2025 10:04:16 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
What you're missing is the bigger picture and the years ahead. Sibs Weekend is a great recruiting tool for the university and in many cases, gets current students in the Convo who might not normally go. When you have all those new eyes on the game and you lay an egg, many of those folks just won't come back.


Over 6,300 in the Convo today, a good crowd size in 2025, but a so-so, weeknight crowd in the previous century.

Alan's point stands, however. You want to put your best effort forward in front of the largest crowd of the year, or one of the largest crowds. Send them home happy.

By comparison, 9 of the 12 games in the SBC-MAC challenge today (all at MAC sites) had crowds less than 2,000. Miami, giddy about drawing 7,900 last Saturday for its game v. Ohio, drew a whopping 1,800 today.

UT (4,400) and Ball St. (3,400) joined Ohio in getting crowds that topped the 2,000 threshold.

Boy, has the MAC fallen big time. Not just in quality of basketball, but also in getting fans in the door.

On a positive, the MAC did win 8 out of 12 today v. the Sun Belt. And, a MAC team, Akron, now holds the nation's longest winning streak with Duke and Auburn losing today. Although that might be more of an indictment on the strength of the league than a compliment for coach Groce's team.

Last Edited: 2/8/2025 10:19:43 PM by bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:36:57 AM 
My question about is how healthy Clayton. He may be playing hurt and just gutting it out to finish his career. Any minutes he gives helps, but the production shows he isn't 100%. He might be limited, but he has size and can shoot. Searls and Evans are also defensive liabilities. Ohio has to shoot better to make up for poor defense. This was a poor defensive unit before injuries to Hadaway and Clayton. James and Sheldon have to step up. They have been in the program three years. Elliot earning more minutes. Career high 30 minutes today. Seems Boals going with the 4 guards and Clayton. Sometimes that works and some days it doesn't. Got to hit the shots with such a small lineup. Can't have sloppy turnovers too. Ohio has proven it can't beat anyone in top 150 net ranking home or away.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 8:16:46 AM 
Casper71 wrote:
I sort of figured as much. Just checking… I think I’ve told the story about Bob Huggins. He would say I just recruit athletes. I can make a basketball player out of them. But there are a lot of basketball players that I can’t make athletes out of. I think that’s the kind of kid we are getting.


Just for kicks, I looked at the rosters of the top current Sun Belt teams.

Biggest players by team

Arky St. - 6-10 and 6-11
Troy - 6-9 and 6-9
South Alabama - 6-10
Appy - 6-9/6-9/6-9/6-11
JMU - 6-9/6-11/6-11
Marshall - 6-10 and 6-10

Other mid-majors in first place in their league:
North Alabama - 6-9/6-10/7-1
Lipscomb - 6-10/6-11
Jacksonville - 6-9/6-9/6-11
Utah Valley - 6-9/6-9/6-10
Bryant - 6-11 and 6-11
Northern Colorado 6-9/6-9/6-10/6-10/6-10

I would keep going but it seems like the point stands.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 10:52:42 AM 
It still feels a little too broad to say that Boals doesn't recruit athletes. I think he does, but only on the perimeter.

Elliot, AJB, Elmore, and Reef are all good athletes. They can match up against anybody in the conference at their position, physically.

Clayton and Hadaway are both pretty athletic, but it's offset by how they're used. Hadaway ended up being asked to do too much inside. Ideally a guy his side is a 3 who can play the 4 in small lineups. He hasn't shown the consistency on the perimeter to justify that, and has become a full time 4. Add Clayton's basically used as a stretch 5, spot up shooter. And on D, I think he has good lateral quickness for a 5 (because he's not a 5, but whatever) but is more of a help side defender than a true 5 rim protector who fills lanes.

But Boals just doesn't get the right type of bigs. No idea if it's a system preference, or recruiting issue, but basically everybody we play has more strength and athleticism at the 4/5. And more depth.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:46:57 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Six point lead with Clayton putting up a goose egg at the half. I have to believe that will change significantly in the second half. Really wish Boals would play more of Sheldon and Searls for some of Elmore’s minutes. He is out of sync. His minutes should decrease and he should not be getting more minutes in any game over Elliott moving forward.



It certainly changed significantly in the second half. That was gross.


Gross wasn’t it? Just did not expect the preseason conference of the player of the year to be so disinterested in playing ball. His defense was brutal too. You just expect so much more out of 23 in his senior year to be a leader and have that dawg in him. But the body language on the court just isn’t there.

#23 wasn’t engaged in this one from the opening tip to the final horn.

Gross is right.


You toss around “disinterested” every time someone has a bad game. However you are implying that these young men don’t care. Just because you are not happy gives you no reason to question the character or motivation of others.

I just wish OHIO’s players could be as perfect as some of you. OHIO would be multiple time National Champions
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:51:09 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
What you're missing is the bigger picture and the years ahead. Sibs Weekend is a great recruiting tool for the university and in many cases, gets current students in the Convo who might not normally go. When you have all those new eyes on the game and you lay an egg, many of those folks just won't come back.


Over 6,300 in the Convo today, a good crowd size in 2025, but a so-so, weeknight crowd in the previous century.

Alan's point stands, however. You want to put your best effort forward in front of the largest crowd of the year, or one of the largest crowds. Send them home happy.

By comparison, 9 of the 12 games in the SBC-MAC challenge today (all at MAC sites) had crowds less than 2,000. Miami, giddy about drawing 7,900 last Saturday for its game v. Ohio, drew a whopping 1,800 today.

UT (4,400) and Ball St. (3,400) joined Ohio in getting crowds that topped the 2,000 threshold.

Boy, has the MAC fallen big time. Not just in quality of basketball, but also in getting fans in the door.

On a positive, the MAC did win 8 out of 12 today v. the Sun Belt. And, a MAC team, Akron, now holds the nation's longest winning streak with Duke and Auburn losing today. Although that might be more of an indictment on the strength of the league than a compliment for coach Groce's team.


6300 hundred by Tom Boeh math!
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 2:53:32 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Six point lead with Clayton putting up a goose egg at the half. I have to believe that will change significantly in the second half. Really wish Boals would play more of Sheldon and Searls for some of Elmore’s minutes. He is out of sync. His minutes should decrease and he should not be getting more minutes in any game over Elliott moving forward.



It certainly changed significantly in the second half. That was gross.


Gross wasn’t it? Just did not expect the preseason conference of the player of the year to be so disinterested in playing ball. His defense was brutal too. You just expect so much more out of 23 in his senior year to be a leader and have that dawg in him. But the body language on the court just isn’t there.

#23 wasn’t engaged in this one from the opening tip to the final horn.

Gross is right.


You toss around “disinterested” every time someone has a bad game. However you are implying that these young men don’t care. Just because you are not happy gives you no reason to question the character or motivation of others.

I just wish OHIO’s players could be as perfect as some of you. OHIO would be multiple time National Champions


You act like I’m the only one who made the same comment about Clayton‘s performance against Appalachian State.

Sorry….but when you are the highest paid player on the team (have to assume right?) and the MAC preseason conference player of the year…I think Ohio fans expect more than a two point effort at home against a Sun Belt team.


Last Edited: 2/9/2025 2:54:43 PM by FearLeon

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   Posted: 2/9/2025 3:00:43 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Six point lead with Clayton putting up a goose egg at the half. I have to believe that will change significantly in the second half. Really wish Boals would play more of Sheldon and Searls for some of Elmore’s minutes. He is out of sync. His minutes should decrease and he should not be getting more minutes in any game over Elliott moving forward.



It certainly changed significantly in the second half. That was gross.


Gross wasn’t it? Just did not expect the preseason conference of the player of the year to be so disinterested in playing ball. His defense was brutal too. You just expect so much more out of 23 in his senior year to be a leader and have that dawg in him. But the body language on the court just isn’t there.

#23 wasn’t engaged in this one from the opening tip to the final horn.

Gross is right.


You toss around “disinterested” every time someone has a bad game. However you are implying that these young men don’t care. Just because you are not happy gives you no reason to question the character or motivation of others.

I just wish OHIO’s players could be as perfect as some of you. OHIO would be multiple time National Champions


You act like I’m the only one who made the same comment about Clayton‘s performance against Appalachian State.

Sorry….but when you are the highest paid player on the team (have to assume right?) and the MAC preseason conference player of the year…I think Ohio fans expect more than a two point effort at home against a Sun Belt team.




No you are not the only one, just the post that made comment.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 5:18:15 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Pete Chouteau wrote:
FearLeon wrote:
Six point lead with Clayton putting up a goose egg at the half. I have to believe that will change significantly in the second half. Really wish Boals would play more of Sheldon and Searls for some of Elmore’s minutes. He is out of sync. His minutes should decrease and he should not be getting more minutes in any game over Elliott moving forward.



It certainly changed significantly in the second half. That was gross.


Gross wasn’t it? Just did not expect the preseason conference of the player of the year to be so disinterested in playing ball. His defense was brutal too. You just expect so much more out of 23 in his senior year to be a leader and have that dawg in him. But the body language on the court just isn’t there.

#23 wasn’t engaged in this one from the opening tip to the final horn.

Gross is right.


You toss around “disinterested” every time someone has a bad game. However you are implying that these young men don’t care. Just because you are not happy gives you no reason to question the character or motivation of others.

I just wish OHIO’s players could be as perfect as some of you. OHIO would be multiple time National Champions


You and Bobcat1996 implied that Julie Cromer is sexist and fails to treat her employees with dignity, and you provided no evidence for either. You questioned her character publicly, got asked to provide evidence, and refused.

Those are farore serious accusations -- all of which would have a serious impact on her career -- than a basketball fan suggesting they didn't like the effort level of a player on the court. Maybe you aren't the best to me policing others?
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 5:33:56 PM 
yamaha45701 wrote:
The national anthem today was sung in the warble like crazy school of anthem singing. Apparently auditioning for the Voice by singing the national anthem is how it is done but as someone who grew up in a household whose mother was a trained opera singer, it was painful to listen to today.


All I know is that when the singer starts with "Ho-ho say can you see...," it's gonna be an interesting 2 minutes. She failed to enunciate half the words, and the weird phrasing was just painful. I'm hardly a traditionalist - my favorite rendition remains Marvin Gaye's prior to the NBA All-Star Game - but that performance was all about her, not the flag.

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   Posted: 2/9/2025 6:58:39 PM 
Quite disparaging coming from someone who believes Neil Young has a good singing voice,
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 7:22:58 PM 
I never claimed Neil has a good voice. But I do know he doesn't have all of his on-stage comments scripted and on a monitor a la the billionaire "man of the people" Bruce Springsteen.
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   Posted: 2/9/2025 8:50:13 PM 
If the question still remains if Clayton is healthy or not completely 100% then he shouldn't be out there in the first place. He may have not been completely disinterested in playing yesterday, but he certainly avoided going inside the three point arc unless he absolutely had to. I think we all expected him to make some great leap to where he could be an outside-in big man, but he's just not. In reality he'd be a three and D wing for a bigger school, and probably what he'll be at the next level in Europe. He's basically Kenny Kaminski, but Ohio is relying on him to be BVP clone or even a Jason Carter. He's not that guy.

And that's on Boals for trying to make a guy play a position he's just not built for. Maybe the Hadaway injury makes a difference because he was the dirty work guy in the paint while Clayton hugged the perimeter, but every team experiences injuries and you have to adjust.

I've said it before, but with all of these guards, for the life of me I can't understand why we haven't seen an increase in ball pressure. We're 10th (!) in the country in fast break points according to yesterday's broadcast. Lean into that. Create turnovers and get out on the run.
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