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I'm guessing what he wants would cost about $100 million, but some of you on here would have a better concept of that. Capacity 8500, only 1000 less than the current Henderson Center. Would have two practice courts. Apartments for the players. A restaurant that would serve as the players' nutritional center but also would be open to the public (I suggest Greer Grub Grab as a name). A bunch of outside courts too for some reason. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 4/30/2021 4:27:15 PM  What a great idea! Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 4/30/2021 4:37:03 PM  Not sure how well this would go over in a wealthy state, since the arena in question is only 1,000 bigger than what they already have, let alone in West Virginia which suffered the biggest percentage population loss of any state in the projected 2020 census. Even if it is privatelly financed, I am sure there will be some push back. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,912 Status: Online     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 4/30/2021 5:42:35 PM  cbus cat fan wrote: Not sure how well this would go over in a wealthy state, since the arena in question is only 1,000 bigger than what they already have, let alone in West Virginia which suffered the biggest percentage population loss of any state in the projected 2020 census. Even if it is privatelly financed, I am sure there will be some push back. Funny you mention the population loss, I just saw an article saying WV will pay you to move there if you work remotely for your job. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/west-virginia-move-ince... Shoot, if my job wasn't having us go back to the office soon I would consider it. Two years in WV for an extra $12,000? That's easy money. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 4/30/2021 8:58:59 PM  GoCats105 wrote: cbus cat fan wrote: Not sure how well this would go over in a wealthy state, since the arena in question is only 1,000 bigger than what they already have, let alone in West Virginia which suffered the biggest percentage population loss of any state in the projected 2020 census. Even if it is privatelly financed, I am sure there will be some push back. Funny you mention the population loss, I just saw an article saying WV will pay you to move there if you work remotely for your job. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/18/us/west-virginia-move-ince... Shoot, if my job wasn't having us go back to the office soon I would consider it. Two years in WV for an extra $12,000? That's easy money. Who knows what the future of remote work looks like after the Pandemic? However, I don't get the impression from friends and family in West Virginia that there is a great deal of excitment about this arena, even if it is privately funded. As a matter of fact, I get the impression that there are going to be some angry people if millions are going to be spent on an arena, when the existing capacity one is only 1,000 smaller than the one on paper. Last Edited: 4/30/2021 8:59:37 PM by cbus cat fan Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 4/30/2021 10:08:31 PM  This is arms race mentality. There are some who believe if you have more amenities, you’ll get the best players and you’ll win. Build it and they will come. The Henderson Center is just fine. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,043 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/1/2021 2:56:44 PM  It's the other way around. D'antoni wants an arena thats 1000 seats smaller, not larger. They refurbished and reconfigured Henderson back around 1996 to give it more of a bowl feel and reduced capacity. Originally, it was supposed to be very multipurpose but that hasn't worked out as planned due to problems with the seating and concrete. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 12:22:27 AM  He wants a restaurant to serve the players, etc. It’s not about the capacity. What difference does it make 1000 more or less? Back to Top Flat Tire General User Member Since: 12/24/2006 Post Count: 119 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 2:16:50 PM  Danny made these comments before a meeting of the Athletic Committee of the Marshall Board of Governors meeting. Danny comments were what he would "like" to happen, but there are no plans for a new arena. It is just wishful thinking on Danny's part. The new MU football coach addressed the same committee and said he wanted a grass practice field. Last Edited: 5/2/2021 2:18:32 PM by Flat Tire Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 4:32:58 PM  https://www.wsaz.com/2021/04/29/new-arena-proposed-for-ma... / It seems he is pretty smartly presenting an idea. No one says it is going to happen but knowing he is in a mid major position it seems like floating an idea out there when asked is astute. The restaurant takes care of the nutritional needs of the athletes while being self sustaining. The lodging also satisfies a need Universities like Ohio have where the athletes move out of the dorms after their second year but face the fact that they can't get back between classes and practice to feed their bodies. I am not sure what the place south of the river (The Summit??) where most of the athletes are placed is called but it does not matter where off campus they live but I know there are times when they can not go from their classes on campus to lunch or late breakfast and get back to film, treatments or lifting at Peden. Rest and recovery are the 2 most essential things for any athlete. I don't know about your life but in mine food is usually the first compromise when I am busy. For an athlete that is not a good thing. Weight room would be nice. For any athlete (wrestling, basketball, Volleyball, baseball) in the Convocation Center that means going across the street to Peden. Having daily maintenance lifts in the same place you practice or dress makes sense, especially..... if you are a recruit taking a tour and comparing schools. Makes even more sense if you're a Coach and you have a limited amount of contact hours with athletes per day and have to plan 15 minutes over and 15 miuntes back to get your team to Peden in the middle of a 3 hour block of time. Medical facilities in arena? Not a stretch. Practice courts, that is a no brainer. Sounds like he is just floating a response to a question that most legit coaches have floating around their heads. "what does it take to compete and if I was asked what would I say?". I have rarely thought of him as one who keeps an opinion to himself. If you were Coach Boals and asked what your wish list was, do you suppose you would have a similar response? I know all this that goes on behind the scenes is something folks do not think about but the challenges to a coaching staff and athletes are very real. As a recruit you are asking those questions if you are highly sought after.... Not worth arguing about as it is Marshall and..... like the other schools we comment on and critique what they are spending....who cares ? OUr athletes and teams are the ones we should figure out....And there is always the folks who say...."it was good enough for me 5 decades ago these kids are soft" .....but then again so were cotton socks, nut hugging satin or wool shorts and jock straps and lord knows nothing ever changes with new fibres, science of training and better ways to monitor and maximize performance. Always fun to see the responses.....even if you know what they will be and who will offer them up. never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 4:51:57 PM  You make some good points. It comes down to this for me: are they “student” athletes or something else? Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 6:28:19 PM  At 350 plus schools they are Student Athletes. I know that had a different meaning when you played as MOST of them back then were playing 4 years and getting their degree and then entering the work force. That is not how the world and NCAA work these days. You can hold onto your memories and project them on to the present or you can step back and look at the reality through the eyes of Coaches, athletes, the Member schools and figure out how to remain competitive. 98 per cent of athletes (if you believe the NCAA) go professional in something other than sports. That is probably a bit higher than when you played as there are more leagues and more spots in the US and abroad but then I am not sure if you were before or after Title IX. Contrary to what the talking heads tell us....kids are not there to be groomed for a life of professional sports which is why changing NIL, paying athletes and other proposals for the Gross minority will result in a plethora of unintended consequences that result in a way worse situation for MOST athletes *IMHO*. They are most assuredly Student Athletes juggling the same 24 hours we each get. They have way more responsibility than you did and a lot more pressure to achieve. That is a reality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. THey graduate at higher rates and finish at higher rates than the general student body. Athletes are dedicating their existence all through jr high and high school to grab one of those elusive scholarships and trade sweat, time and effort to get there. There are some who will always game the system and whose talent far supercedes their desire to major in anything but sports but I have not met many coaches who do not desire to help them see the light and get them a degree. Making the argument that they are there for school more than sports is quaint but does not capture that the vast majority of kids are using sports to pay for school and get a degree. Most of those kids whether you want to accede to it understand far better then we the regimen in takes mentally, academically, nutritionally, physically and socially to get there and finish. I am not sure when you played but one of the most memorable conversations I had with a former Indiana player talking about weights and nutrition. WHen he started they had no weights and food was typical college fare. When Isiah came to IU they started in the "new" weight room everyday and eating right to keep their bodies in shape. It was a new thing in 1980 that they had to figure out. If you played before then you may not have had the off season and in season agility/strength regimen in addition to practice, studying film, medical treatment regimen with trainers and all the other things that take up an athlete's time. Ignoring that or not trying to understand it .....just makes you old and maybe a little bitter .... or like one COach said...."those guys just want to remain a little ignorant to what it takes...." Assuming you lived on campus you probably went to the cafeteria and had the normal slop that results in the "freshman 15" as we are suddenly giving our kids unlimited carbs and no guidance. We are also asking our athletes to pack into a day, classes, athletic endeavours, homework, travel to and from games, walking an expanding on and off campus living situation, class schedule.....you know the drill. Even on a compact campus like Ohio that is a lot of back and forth normal students do not have to juggle. I have 4 boys, one athlete and 3 others. They have been in a variety of situations at IUPUI in a commuter setting, a downtown campus at Philadelphia's University of the Arts and then Columbia for his masters, and Purdue Fort Wayne for engineering. I think the most rigorous day to day regimen has been the athlete by far. Even with the Art projects at Herron/IUPUI, the theatre rehearsals and labs in Philly and the GM Engineering internship in FT Wayne....there is little doubt the skills needed to be a student athlete are the most demanding. Your question asking about Student Athletes has taken on a whole different meaning since you passed through. I can think of a hundred different things that are similar.....they all require that folks who did those jobs/activities decades ago don't live in the paradigm of the past....even if they are in positions of power ...or especially if they are in those positions. A surgeon who holds onto "when I was a resident" or a teacher who says "when I was a student" and projects those on to the present is doing their own history and the progress of the process a big disservice. Now....as I sit here and reread this before I hit Submit Message....I have to laugh....knowing that it will not make a bit of difference or change the discussion. I am always looking for the backstory and trying to find the motivation. I think yours is Athletes should be Students first and spending money to give them what they need to remain competitive is superfluous. I amy be totally wrong but that is what you seem to communicate in your one line reactions to any and all spending. Last Edited: 5/2/2021 6:30:17 PM by bornacatfan never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,155 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/2/2021 9:10:33 PM  bornacatfan wrote: At 350 plus schools they are Student Athletes. I know that had a different meaning when you played as MOST of them back then were playing 4 years and getting their degree and then entering the work force. That is not how the world and NCAA work these days. You can hold onto your memories and project them on to the present or you can step back and look at the reality through the eyes of Coaches, athletes, the Member schools and figure out how to remain competitive. 98 per cent of athletes (if you believe the NCAA) go professional in something other than sports. That is probably a bit higher than when you played as there are more leagues and more spots in the US and abroad but then I am not sure if you were before or after Title IX. Contrary to what the talking heads tell us....kids are not there to be groomed for a life of professional sports which is why changing NIL, paying athletes and other proposals for the Gross minority will result in a plethora of unintended consequences that result in a way worse situation for MOST athletes *IMHO*. They are most assuredly Student Athletes juggling the same 24 hours we each get. They have way more responsibility than you did and a lot more pressure to achieve. That is a reality whether you want to acknowledge it or not. THey graduate at higher rates and finish at higher rates than the general student body. Athletes are dedicating their existence all through jr high and high school to grab one of those elusive scholarships and trade sweat, time and effort to get there. There are some who will always game the system and whose talent far supercedes their desire to major in anything but sports but I have not met many coaches who do not desire to help them see the light and get them a degree. Making the argument that they are there for school more than sports is quaint but does not capture that the vast majority of kids are using sports to pay for school and get a degree. Most of those kids whether you want to accede to it understand far better then we the regimen in takes mentally, academically, nutritionally, physically and socially to get there and finish. I am not sure when you played but one of the most memorable conversations I had with a former Indiana player talking about weights and nutrition. WHen he started they had no weights and food was typical college fare. When Isiah came to IU they started in the "new" weight room everyday and eating right to keep their bodies in shape. It was a new thing in 1980 that they had to figure out. If you played before then you may not have had the off season and in season agility/strength regimen in addition to practice, studying film, medical treatment regimen with trainers and all the other things that take up an athlete's time. Ignoring that or not trying to understand it .....just makes you old and maybe a little bitter .... or like one COach said...."those guys just want to remain a little ignorant to what it takes...." Assuming you lived on campus you probably went to the cafeteria and had the normal slop that results in the "freshman 15" as we are suddenly giving our kids unlimited carbs and no guidance. We are also asking our athletes to pack into a day, classes, athletic endeavours, homework, travel to and from games, walking an expanding on and off campus living situation, class schedule.....you know the drill. Even on a compact campus like Ohio that is a lot of back and forth normal students do not have to juggle. I have 4 boys, one athlete and 3 others. They have been in a variety of situations at IUPUI in a commuter setting, a downtown campus at Philadelphia's University of the Arts and then Columbia for his masters, and Purdue Fort Wayne for engineering. I think the most rigorous day to day regimen has been the athlete by far. Even with the Art projects at Herron/IUPUI, the theatre rehearsals and labs in Philly and the GM Engineering internship in FT Wayne....there is little doubt the skills needed to be a student athlete are the most demanding. Your question asking about Student Athletes has taken on a whole different meaning since you passed through. I can think of a hundred different things that are similar.....they all require that folks who did those jobs/activities decades ago don't live in the paradigm of the past....even if they are in positions of power ...or especially if they are in those positions. A surgeon who holds onto "when I was a resident" or a teacher who says "when I was a student" and projects those on to the present is doing their own history and the progress of the process a big disservice. Now....as I sit here and reread this before I hit Submit Message....I have to laugh....knowing that it will not make a bit of difference or change the discussion. I am always looking for the backstory and trying to find the motivation. I think yours is Athletes should be Students first and spending money to give them what they need to remain competitive is superfluous. I amy be totally wrong but that is what you seem to communicate in your one line reactions to any and all spending. This has to set a record for the shortest “question” and longest response ever. Borna you have the deepest understanding of how sports work on here, please keep informing us! Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,623 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/3/2021 2:23:29 PM  (As I take a break from reading War and Peace and watching Gone With The Wind) I’m glad I played in a different era. I ate in the cafeteria while meeting students from different countries, backgrounds and different walks of life. I had roommates who were not athletes. I had time for other interests and graduated on time with my class. That being said I also spent an enormous amount of time training and working on my game. I can’t imagine spending any more time than I did. What you are describing is a minor league structure. You all know my opinions on the subject. It makes no sense to me for a variety of reasons. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: D'antoni calls for new arena at Marshall    Posted: 5/3/2021 3:31:20 PM  giacomo wrote: (As I take a break from reading War and Peace and watching Gone With The Wind) I’m glad I played in a different era. I ate in the cafeteria while meeting students from different countries, backgrounds and different walks of life. I had roommates who were not athletes. I had time for other interests and graduated on time with my class. That being said I also spent an enormous amount of time training and working on my game. I can’t imagine spending any more time than I did. What you are describing is a minor league structure. You all know my opinions on the subject. It makes no sense to me for a variety of reasons. Ditto ! When I was at O.U., other then intramurals, there was only one other person in my dorm who was an intercollegiate athlete. Wouldn't trade my time living in GAM for anything. I also spent a lot of my time training and working on my soccer skills. I transferred after Fall quarter of my Junior year. Lost a lot of credits, so it took me an extra year to graduate. Due to NCAA rules, I could have only played 1 more season of soccer. But I could wrestle for 2 seasons. So I switched sports. Different sport, same routine, train and practice wrestling. At O.U. we had Spring practice, but it was kind of relaxed. Nothing in the Summer. There was however a timed run, over the golf course, on the first day of "Fall" (mid August) camp. At F.D.U., we didn't have any formal "off season" practice. They did like you doing a second sport in the Spring. I "ran" the 3 mile in track. I loved playing soccer and wrestling. But there was never any question, college was for a degree, so class came first. 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