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Topic:  RE: The Last Dance

Topic:  RE: The Last Dance
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5KMD
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/6/2020 11:06:19 AM 
I respect the opinions of celebrities when those individuals are actually informed on the issue. Some current celebrities' use of their platform on say, autism and vaccines, have been complete off base in terms of the actual science available and just breed fear and contempt.

Have your opinion and speak up if you choose. But realize millions will agree with you blindly because they adore you so much. Get informed on both sides of the discussion please.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/6/2020 11:55:07 AM 
5KMD wrote:
I respect the opinions of celebrities when those individuals are actually informed on the issue. Some current celebrities' use of their platform on say, autism and vaccines, have been complete off base in terms of the actual science available and just breed fear and contempt.

Have your opinion and speak up if you choose. But realize millions will agree with you blindly because they adore you so much. Get informed on both sides of the discussion please.


Yes, while hard to legislate, the ability to speak out should be paired with not being galactically stupid (flat-earthers, maga, anti-vaxxers)

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cc-cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/6/2020 12:31:46 PM 
I never understood the "just play basketball" statement. Whether we are athletes, marketing professionals, or CPA/finance folks, we all should use our voice to speak out against any policies or injustices we see or feel. Yes, some have a louder voice than others - But that voice is only insulted as "they're just an athlete" when one disagrees with the issue. One of FoxNews resident hypocrites is an easy exhibit A - Lebron needs to "shut up and dribble" but Curt Schilling, Kid Rock etc. are brought on her show.

Be civil. Be respectful. Use your voice.

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” — Elie Wiesel

Last Edited: 5/6/2020 12:32:55 PM by cc-cat

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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/8/2020 10:39:50 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
I love how LBJ doesn't shy away from speaking out against social injustices, not unlike Ali. Wish MJ had used his enormous platform to do the same.


You are very much in the minority here. The vast majority of us wishes our favorite athletes remain silent on all that crap.


Speak for yourself, I love when athletes use their ability for the greater good. I bet you didn’t mind Burrow when he spoke out against hunger in Appalachia. What it usually boils down too is people not liking the cause.


Can't believe I have to say this out loud...but speaking up for hunger in Appalachia and openly attending rallies for presidential candidates are two completely different things. I should have been more specific and said all that political crap. But as Up San said, it is very much a fine line on some things.


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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/8/2020 1:20:49 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:


Can't believe I have to say this out loud...but speaking up for hunger in Appalachia and openly attending rallies for presidential candidates are two completely different things. I should have been more specific and said all that political crap. But as Up San said, it is very much a fine line on some things.


I agree there are degrees here. There's definitely a difference between actively campaigning for a political candidate and advocating for a social cause. A very big difference, obviously.

But there are plenty of people who tell athletes to stick to sports when all they're doing is supporting a social cause. A bunch of NBA players wore "I can't breathe" shirts, and were criticized for it. That's not actively campaigning, it's just bringing attention to a cause they care about.
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/8/2020 4:59:00 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:


Can't believe I have to say this out loud...but speaking up for hunger in Appalachia and openly attending rallies for presidential candidates are two completely different things. I should have been more specific and said all that political crap. But as Up San said, it is very much a fine line on some things.


I agree there are degrees here. There's definitely a difference between actively campaigning for a political candidate and advocating for a social cause. A very big difference, obviously.

But there are plenty of people who tell athletes to stick to sports when all they're doing is supporting a social cause. A bunch of NBA players wore "I can't breathe" shirts, and were criticized for it. That's not actively campaigning, it's just bringing attention to a cause they care about.


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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/8/2020 10:17:31 PM 
It's 43 years ago but Harry was a celebrity who brought it every night. This is worth the 7 minute watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9dbZDyRNs4
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bobcatsquared
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   Posted: 5/9/2020 12:28:58 AM 
Thanks, Alan. I had forgotten this performance after all these years. Love the tribute in the middle of the song.

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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/9/2020 1:46:41 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
5KMD wrote:
I respect the opinions of celebrities when those individuals are actually informed on the issue. Some current celebrities' use of their platform on say, autism and vaccines, have been complete off base in terms of the actual science available and just breed fear and contempt.

Have your opinion and speak up if you choose. But realize millions will agree with you blindly because they adore you so much. Get informed on both sides of the discussion please.


Yes, while hard to legislate, the ability to speak out should be paired with not being galactically stupid (flat-earthers, maga, anti-vaxxers)


So, in other words, only if the athlete agrees with your side of the aisle?

I give credit to people like Joe Burrow who made a difference without alienating portions of their fan bases.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/9/2020 10:58:15 AM 
WxM wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
5KMD wrote:
I respect the opinions of celebrities when those individuals are actually informed on the issue. Some current celebrities' use of their platform on say, autism and vaccines, have been complete off base in terms of the actual science available and just breed fear and contempt.

Have your opinion and speak up if you choose. But realize millions will agree with you blindly because they adore you so much. Get informed on both sides of the discussion please.


Yes, while hard to legislate, the ability to speak out should be paired with not being galactically stupid (flat-earthers, maga, anti-vaxxers)


So, in other words, only if the athlete agrees with your side of the aisle?

I give credit to people like Joe Burrow who made a difference without alienating portions of their fan bases.


No. everyone has the right to speak out. I will say, however, that those three categories represent something completely non political and have nothing to do with a side of the aisle.

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Andrew Ruck
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/11/2020 7:51:47 AM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
WxM wrote:
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
5KMD wrote:
I respect the opinions of celebrities when those individuals are actually informed on the issue. Some current celebrities' use of their platform on say, autism and vaccines, have been complete off base in terms of the actual science available and just breed fear and contempt.

Have your opinion and speak up if you choose. But realize millions will agree with you blindly because they adore you so much. Get informed on both sides of the discussion please.


Yes, while hard to legislate, the ability to speak out should be paired with not being galactically stupid (flat-earthers, maga, anti-vaxxers)


So, in other words, only if the athlete agrees with your side of the aisle?

I give credit to people like Joe Burrow who made a difference without alienating portions of their fan bases.


No. everyone has the right to speak out. I will say, however, that those three categories represent something completely non political and have nothing to do with a side of the aisle.



And here we see a good real life example of how when an individual has strong enough political convictions, they're able to genuinely think arguing against the "other side" isn't being political at all it is just fighting for decency or whatever. And now we are back to that very fine line of speaking out vs being political.


Andrew Ruck
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5KMD
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/11/2020 2:17:01 PM 
The end of episode 8 exposed what I dislike about MJ. When The Glove was talking about shutting him down (which he did relatively speaking) MJ laughs and says he had other things on his mind (father not being there).

But I have been forced fed to accept this guy always plays to win no excuses no excuses no excuses from anyone. So now when the backs against the wall Sonics play tough and grab two games, now MJ's got things on his mind? And that's why they lost and he didn't play well?

Lame. Should have said GP and the Sonics showed their true grit and desire but it just wasn't enough to beat me.

Side note, as A Cavs fan, I love that the '16 warriors will never be talked about as greatest team ever since they didn't win the 'ship.
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OhioBobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/11/2020 10:01:36 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
I love how LBJ doesn't shy away from speaking out against social injustices, not unlike Ali. Wish MJ had used his enormous platform to do the same.


You are very much in the minority here. The vast majority of us wishes our favorite athletes remain silent on all that crap.


This
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/11/2020 10:56:56 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
I love how LBJ doesn't shy away from speaking out against social injustices, not unlike Ali. Wish MJ had used his enormous platform to do the same.


You are very much in the minority here. The vast majority of us wishes our favorite athletes remain silent on all that crap.


This


I hope that both Lebron & MJ boycott Nike until they stop using children in Chinese sweatshops to make their shoes.


I've seen crazier things happen.

Black 41 Flash Reverse

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   Posted: 5/12/2020 5:49:08 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
I love how LBJ doesn't shy away from speaking out against social injustices, not unlike Ali. Wish MJ had used his enormous platform to do the same.


You are very much in the minority here. The vast majority of us wishes our favorite athletes remain silent on all that crap.


This


While I'm perfectly fine with those that disagree with me on this subject, I'd like to provide Jason Isbell as an example of a performer not shy from speaking out against society's ills. Isbell is arguably one of the best songwriters of his generation and if I had to provide one song to check out it would be "White Man's World". Not what you'd expect from a white man born in Alabama or one currently living and recording in Nashville.

Isbell has this to say about his new album released this week:
"I'll never lose sleep over not selling more records, but I'll definitely lose sleep over keeping my mouth shut and letting things happen to people."
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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: The Last Dance
   Posted: 5/13/2020 9:22:58 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
bobcatsquared wrote:
I love how LBJ doesn't shy away from speaking out against social injustices, not unlike Ali. Wish MJ had used his enormous platform to do the same.


You are very much in the minority here. The vast majority of us wishes our favorite athletes remain silent on all that crap.


This


I hope that both Lebron & MJ boycott Nike until they stop using children in Chinese sweatshops to make their shoes.


They should start using Adidas or UnderArmour who makes their shoes in the same sweat shops, using the same labor.
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