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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:33:54 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:


I actually analyze things and think for myself.


So do plenty of people here. They're just reaching a different conclusion than you.

GraffZ06 wrote:

According to "scientists" we're probably all going to die from the 19th strain of Coronavirus. I suggest we go full Mole People underground for the next 6 months.


Actually, scientists are saying to. . .

GraffZ06 wrote:

Wash your hands and try to not lick so many doorknobs and statistically you're going to be just fine.


That's the advice of the CDC, too. I guess you got there through independent thought and not being a sheeple. A whole bunch of other people got that advice from scientists. Oops, sorry, I meant "scientists" because I too hate people with credentials that I lack.

GraffZ06 wrote:

Unless you fear the sniffles. In which case freak out. Also, I hope to heck those suggesting we just "stay inside" also refuse to get in motor vehicles.


The same scientists also have paid attention to what's happened in other countries and are suggesting social distancing to flatten the curve. Some politicians -- in fact, most of them at this point -- have accepted that as the proper course of action. The White House is even advising people to avoid large gatherings, even though a couple of weeks ago this was a liberal hoax.

And why? Here's why:

In Wuhan:

January 23rd -- 444 confirmed cases.
January 30th -- 4,9003 cases
February 6th -- 22,112 cases.

In Italy:

February 22nd -- 62 cases
February 29th -- 888 cases
March 6th -- 4,636 cases

In the US, where we have tested a fraction of the people Italy and China has:

March 1 -- 70 cases
March 11 - 1000+ cases

What's the growth curve on this thing look like to you? And how have countries like China and Italy gone about slowing it? By not being sheeple and washing their hands a lot? Or through strategic social distancing?

GraffZ06 wrote:

Just a sad state of affairs that our media and elected officials are actually propagating this mass hysteria which is now spilling over and effecting real people in ways such as NCAA basketball tournaments of all things.


There are 115,000 cases of this worldwide and there have been 4,633 deaths thus far. I'm not sure I'd say that this is finally 'spilling over and effecting real people' now that the NCAA tournament's gonna have to be watched on TV. I would say all of those deaths might have effected some people in real ways. Or that the fact that we just plunged into global recession is going to effect people in real ways. But I guess basketball crowd sizes also are important.

But ultimately, this is pretty simple:

You do this correctly and proactively and you return to normalcy in a matter of weeks. You wing it because you're self-conscious about being a 'sheeple' and you risk much greater consequences. How do you justify that risk, exactly?


Last Edited: 3/11/2020 10:45:34 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:43:23 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
and the cancellations and fan decisions are not being done in isolation. to much economic impact. no way the nba suspends business putting thousands out of work (arena workers etc) without talking and getting advise from the administration, cdc, etc.


Exactly. The President just banned all travel from Europe into the US. The economic impact that will have on the hospitality industry alone is enormous.

I get that a week ago cool people who think for themselves found it interesting to be contrarian about this, but the evidence is mounting that pretty much everybody agrees this needs to be taken very seriously. Extreme measures are being taken globally, and businesses and governments are making very difficult decisions with huge financial ramifications. They wouldn't do so lightly. It's weird to me that there are still folks in putting scare quotes around the word "scientists" and blaming the media.

I mean, as recently as this morning there were people insisting this was just about the election. By the end of the day, the President advised Americans not to gather in large groups and banned Europeans from entering the country.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:47:25 PM 
Has BLSS ever commented on Ohio Athletics? I'm genuinely curious because all I remember ever seeing you off the top of my head is in long off-topic debates.


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 10:56:33 PM 
These first four pages in a week are going to be so freaking cringeworthy.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:03:57 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Has BLSS ever commented on Ohio Athletics? I'm genuinely curious because all I remember ever seeing you off the top of my head is in long off-topic debates.


Once or thrice. Don't get the chance to watch much, honestly. And my interests these days align more with what is here considered 'off topic.' I find conversation about how sports and 'culture' intersect far more interesting than pure sports talk.

And there's not really good media options out there for real, detailed analysis of Ohio sports so I come back here often to stay up-to-date. I have less to offer on Bobcat Athletics because there are very few games available where I live and I don't really have the time these days to stay up on most athletics. I used to, for instance, watch 70 Knicks games a year. The last two years I've watched maybe 5.

And frankly, I find the crowd here an interesting one. There just aren't that many spaces left these days where people have such a variety of opinions to offer and I like the level of conversation here. Most places are echo chambers. Because folks are drawn here by Ohio sports, the resulting cultural conversations are much more interesting because people bring varying ideas.




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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:14:16 PM 
. wrote:
These first four pages in a week are going to be so freaking cringeworthy.


They already are.
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:21:06 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
and the cancellations and fan decisions are not being done in isolation. to much economic impact. no way the nba suspends business putting thousands out of work (arena workers etc) without talking and getting advise from the administration, cdc, etc.


Facts


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:31:50 PM 
allen wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
Robert Fox wrote:
allen wrote:
This is in fellerville and it is a conservative Christian college, so we can use the liberal conspiracy theory. https://www.wdrb.com/news/berea-college-cancels-semester-...


Berea College is conservative? You might need to check your meds.


He talks about "medi's" all the time, which could lead us to think he's off his medi's more than he should be.


Well letís see, who agrees with me? Ivy League Universityís, the largest university in the US, the numbers from countries that have seen their numbers start to plateau. The mediís and lackeys, they donít understand that pandemics can kill people. One in seven American adults could have to be hospitalized, this would effect general healthcare. The biggest problem is that kids and some young adults are asymptomatic so they could infect their parents and grandparents. Pandemics can kill our economy and they can kill our consumer sentiment. This week airlines have cut their capacities, they were hiring, now they are laying people off. Letís just look at some potential collateral damage. They could cancel their airplane orders which would lead to layoffs at various aerospace companies, (Boeing would probably be most affected). Letís say that the oil consumption continues to decrease, because people have to stay home. We will have to shut down rigs in the bakken and Permian basin that are not profitable when oil is under $45 per barrel, which will lead to huge layoffs in oil and oil services industry. Letís say companies that service the oil industry continue to decline, you could see huge commercial loan defaults. I have a uncle who worked at MIT and he might be smartest professor in the world and he has the record for working at MIT so I get this, the experts are surprised by my knowledge, just wash your hands and we will hold back testing until after the election and everything will be ok. The liberals are just too smart for their own good if we have thousands of deaths and a huge recession it will be because people didnít wash their hands.


We will agree on all this 110%. Maybe the apocalypse is upon us.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:33:11 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
According to an epidemiologist who was on the radio this morning,,he expects,worst case, the number of corona cases to double every 6 days, till the end of March,then drop off dramatically.

That includes clusters in areas like Westchester,NY.

In the US that comes out to:

March 10 687 cases (positive test result,symptoms or not)

March 16 1374 cases

March 20 2748 cases

March 26 5496 cases

Of the 687, 679 are classified as "mild condition".

That's not a lot of people.
If you figure a population of 300 million that's 0.000018 % of the population.


Just for context, it's been doubling every 2 days, give or take. So if we assume that epidemiologist's numbers take shape from here, it would look like:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 2,534
March 23 - 5,068
March 30 - 10,136

On the other hand if it continues to grow at the rate it currently has (from 159 on 3/4 to 1267 today is a growth rate of ~8x/week) we'd be looking at:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 10,136
March 23 - 81,088
March 30 - 648,704

That's obviously extreme. In China and Italy, the growth rate week-to-week started out high (11x rate in China, 14x in Italy) and then fell (4.5x in China, 5.22 in Italy). So I'd expect week three to fall to that level-ish now that we're starting to take proactive measures here.

But, to be clear, I'm talking out of my ass like everybody else. So I don't really know. Just basing this on the numbers from elsewhere.


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:33:41 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I used to, for instance, watch 70 Knicks games a year. The last two years I've watched maybe 5.


Well, yeah, it's the Knicks.


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   Posted: 3/11/2020 11:58:05 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
According to an epidemiologist who was on the radio this morning,,he expects,worst case, the number of corona cases to double every 6 days, till the end of March,then drop off dramatically.

That includes clusters in areas like Westchester,NY.

In the US that comes out to:

March 10 687 cases (positive test result,symptoms or not)

March 16 1374 cases

March 20 2748 cases

March 26 5496 cases

Of the 687, 679 are classified as "mild condition".

That's not a lot of people.
If you figure a population of 300 million that's 0.000018 % of the population.


Just for context, it's been doubling every 2 days, give or take. So if we assume that epidemiologist's numbers take shape from here, it would look like:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 2,534
March 23 - 5,068
March 30 - 10,136

On the other hand if it continues to grow at the rate it currently has (from 159 on 3/4 to 1267 today is a growth rate of ~8x/week) we'd be looking at:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 10,136
March 23 - 81,088
March 30 - 648,704

That's obviously extreme. In China and Italy, the growth rate week-to-week started out high (11x rate in China, 14x in Italy) and then fell (4.5x in China, 5.22 in Italy). So I'd expect week three to fall to that level-ish now that we're starting to take proactive measures here.

But, to be clear, I'm talking out of my ass like everybody else. So I don't really know. Just basing this on the numbers from elsewhere.




I think your head knows more than your ass in this case! ;-) I believe your analysis is spot on.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/12/2020 7:00:11 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
According to an epidemiologist who was on the radio this morning,,he expects,worst case, the number of corona cases to double every 6 days, till the end of March,then drop off dramatically.

That includes clusters in areas like Westchester,NY.

In the US that comes out to:

March 10 687 cases (positive test result,symptoms or not)

March 16 1374 cases

March 20 2748 cases

March 26 5496 cases

Of the 687, 679 are classified as "mild condition".

That's not a lot of people.
If you figure a population of 300 million that's 0.000018 % of the population.


Just for context, it's been doubling every 2 days, give or take. So if we assume that epidemiologist's numbers take shape from here, it would look like:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 2,534
March 23 - 5,068
March 30 - 10,136

On the other hand if it continues to grow at the rate it currently has (from 159 on 3/4 to 1267 today is a growth rate of ~8x/week) we'd be looking at:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 10,136
March 23 - 81,088
March 30 - 648,704

That's obviously extreme. In China and Italy, the growth rate week-to-week started out high (11x rate in China, 14x in Italy) and then fell (4.5x in China, 5.22 in Italy). So I'd expect week three to fall to that level-ish now that we're starting to take proactive measures here.

But, to be clear, I'm talking out of my ass like everybody else. So I don't really know. Just basing this on the numbers from elsewhere.



As I posted,I was at a meeting Tuesday night with local OEM .

They said one reason for the spike in reported cases was expanding testing to include people,with no symptoms.

They pointed out that,if you test positive, you need to "self quarantine".

But,unless you have underlying health issues,80% of the people with positive tests will show no or "mild" symptoms.

So the total number of people who test positive is not as significant as the % of those who develop symptoms.

Three things that came up after the meeting :

1.When they report fatalities,they should provide a breakdown by age groups.

2.If you come into contact with someone who had corona,but you test negative or have no symptoms,do you still have to self quarantine ?

3.The number of cases is based on those who test positive.
After 14 days is a person removed from the count ?
Or is there a breakdown of "active" cases ?

I've been trying to find answers to #2 and #3 but haven't been able to.

Depending on the source,the answer to #2 is yes or no.

Does anyone out there know about #3?






Last Edited: 3/12/2020 7:01:02 AM by rpbobcat

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   Posted: 3/12/2020 8:34:37 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Has BLSS ever commented on Ohio Athletics? I'm genuinely curious because all I remember ever seeing you off the top of my head is in long off-topic debates.


Once or thrice. Don't get the chance to watch much, honestly. And my interests these days align more with what is here considered 'off topic.' I find conversation about how sports and 'culture' intersect far more interesting than pure sports talk.

And there's not really good media options out there for real, detailed analysis of Ohio sports so I come back here often to stay up-to-date. I have less to offer on Bobcat Athletics because there are very few games available where I live and I don't really have the time these days to stay up on most athletics. I used to, for instance, watch 70 Knicks games a year. The last two years I've watched maybe 5.

And frankly, I find the crowd here an interesting one. There just aren't that many spaces left these days where people have such a variety of opinions to offer and I like the level of conversation here. Most places are echo chambers. Because folks are drawn here by Ohio sports, the resulting cultural conversations are much more interesting because people bring varying ideas.






This is an outstanding post that describes more than a few of us on here. His second paragraph is quite profound.

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   Posted: 3/12/2020 8:39:24 AM 
JSF wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
I used to, for instance, watch 70 Knicks games a year. The last two years I've watched maybe 5.


Well, yeah, it's the Knicks.


Unfortunately they were the Knicks when I was watching, too.
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   Posted: 3/12/2020 8:56:16 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Has BLSS ever commented on Ohio Athletics? I'm genuinely curious because all I remember ever seeing you off the top of my head is in long off-topic debates.


Once or thrice. Don't get the chance to watch much, honestly. And my interests these days align more with what is here considered 'off topic.' I find conversation about how sports and 'culture' intersect far more interesting than pure sports talk.

And there's not really good media options out there for real, detailed analysis of Ohio sports so I come back here often to stay up-to-date. I have less to offer on Bobcat Athletics because there are very few games available where I live and I don't really have the time these days to stay up on most athletics. I used to, for instance, watch 70 Knicks games a year. The last two years I've watched maybe 5.

And frankly, I find the crowd here an interesting one. There just aren't that many spaces left these days where people have such a variety of opinions to offer and I like the level of conversation here. Most places are echo chambers. Because folks are drawn here by Ohio sports, the resulting cultural conversations are much more interesting because people bring varying ideas.






This is an outstanding post that describes more than a few of us on here. His second paragraph is quite profound.



+1 Agreed!
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   Posted: 3/12/2020 9:58:46 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
]Gobert HAS the virus. NBA is suspending the season. Iíd stay tuned for other shoes that might drop. 👞


NCAA suspending all games coming in 3....2.....



I don't think they'll suspend, just cancel. Once one player gets the virus, then that team and whomever they played wouldn't be able to participate in the tournament.


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 10:03:49 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
According to an epidemiologist who was on the radio this morning,,he expects,worst case, the number of corona cases to double every 6 days, till the end of March,then drop off dramatically.

That includes clusters in areas like Westchester,NY.

In the US that comes out to:

March 10 687 cases (positive test result,symptoms or not)

March 16 1374 cases

March 20 2748 cases

March 26 5496 cases

Of the 687, 679 are classified as "mild condition".

That's not a lot of people.
If you figure a population of 300 million that's 0.000018 % of the population.


Just for context, it's been doubling every 2 days, give or take. So if we assume that epidemiologist's numbers take shape from here, it would look like:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 2,534
March 23 - 5,068
March 30 - 10,136

On the other hand if it continues to grow at the rate it currently has (from 159 on 3/4 to 1267 today is a growth rate of ~8x/week) we'd be looking at:

March 11 - 1,267
March 17 - 10,136
March 23 - 81,088
March 30 - 648,704

That's obviously extreme. In China and Italy, the growth rate week-to-week started out high (11x rate in China, 14x in Italy) and then fell (4.5x in China, 5.22 in Italy). So I'd expect week three to fall to that level-ish now that we're starting to take proactive measures here.

But, to be clear, I'm talking out of my ass like everybody else. So I don't really know. Just basing this on the numbers from elsewhere.



As I posted,I was at a meeting Tuesday night with local OEM .

They said one reason for the spike in reported cases was expanding testing to include people,with no symptoms.

They pointed out that,if you test positive, you need to "self quarantine".

But,unless you have underlying health issues,80% of the people with positive tests will show no or "mild" symptoms.

So the total number of people who test positive is not as significant as the % of those who develop symptoms.

Three things that came up after the meeting :

1.When they report fatalities,they should provide a breakdown by age groups.

2.If you come into contact with someone who had corona,but you test negative or have no symptoms,do you still have to self quarantine ?

3.The number of cases is based on those who test positive.
After 14 days is a person removed from the count ?
Or is there a breakdown of "active" cases ?

I've been trying to find answers to #2 and #3 but haven't been able to.

Depending on the source,the answer to #2 is yes or no.

Does anyone out there know about #3?







Update to the lackey times, pence just changed course and said we need to ramp up testing, Ohio just received 1,000 test from the cdc, the administration has been lying to us. Dr. Fauci jumped ship and said there will be millions of infections.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/healthfit/...

We will have thousands of more cases (pence and trump curve 100,000). No OEM would tell you to stick to political talking points like saying only people over 70 or with chronic conditions will get sick. https://apple.news/ArjfNCV0MSMSjJ69_OJJJZQ
This is the biggest nightmare for emergency management, thousands of people needing beds and ventilators and the healthcare system being overwhelmed and healthcare professionals not having enough disposable mask, hence they are making space on military bases and there will be tent hospitals. In Italy the hospitals are overwhelmed and people are dying in quarantine. https://apple.news/AJ_WyfnEkTzmjQsMeqBKKYg

Last Edited: 3/12/2020 10:18:45 AM by allen


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 10:20:36 AM 

 


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 10:22:21 AM 
allen wrote:

As I posted,I was at a meeting Tuesday night with local OEM .

They said one reason for the spike in reported cases was expanding testing to include people,with no symptoms.

They pointed out that,if you test positive, you need to "self quarantine".

But,unless you have underlying health issues,80% of the people with positive tests will show no or "mild" symptoms.

So the total number of people who test positive is not as significant as the % of those who develop symptoms.

Three things that came up after the meeting :

1.When they report fatalities,they should provide a breakdown by age groups.

2.If you come into contact with someone who had corona,but you test negative or have no symptoms,do you still have to self quarantine ?

3.The number of cases is based on those who test positive.
After 14 days is a person removed from the count ?
Or is there a breakdown of "active" cases ?

I've been trying to find answers to #2 and #3 but haven't been able to.

Depending on the source,the answer to #2 is yes or no.

Does anyone out there know about #3?

Update to the lackey times, pence just changed course and said we need to ramp up cases. We will have thousands of more cases (pence and trump curve 100,000). No OEM would tell you to stick to political talking points like saying only people over 70 or with chronic conditions will get sick. https://apple.news/ArjfNCV0MSMSjJ69_OJJJZQ


Read what I posted.

First off, what I said was we were told one reason for the spike in reported cases was due to expanded testing.

More tests,more positive results.
That's basic statistics.
That's exactly what Gov. Cuomo has been saying for the past week.

I also never said anything about age.

What I said was we were told that 80% of the people who test positive,
and don't have underlying health issues, will show no or mild symptoms.

The Municipality and County I mentioned are both Democratic.
They work with the state OEM.
Our Gov. and both houses of our state legislature are also Democratic.

Can't see their OEM people presenting "political talking points" for the Administration.


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 10:52:44 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
allen wrote:

As I posted,I was at a meeting Tuesday night with local OEM .

They said one reason for the spike in reported cases was expanding testing to include people,with no symptoms.

They pointed out that,if you test positive, you need to "self quarantine".

But,unless you have underlying health issues,80% of the people with positive tests will show no or "mild" symptoms.

So the total number of people who test positive is not as significant as the % of those who develop symptoms.

Three things that came up after the meeting :

1.When they report fatalities,they should provide a breakdown by age groups.

2.If you come into contact with someone who had corona,but you test negative or have no symptoms,do you still have to self quarantine ?

3.The number of cases is based on those who test positive.
After 14 days is a person removed from the count ?
Or is there a breakdown of "active" cases ?

I've been trying to find answers to #2 and #3 but haven't been able to.

Depending on the source,the answer to #2 is yes or no.

Does anyone out there know about #3?

Update to the lackey times, pence just changed course and said we need to ramp up cases. We will have thousands of more cases (pence and trump curve 100,000). No OEM would tell you to stick to political talking points like saying only people over 70 or with chronic conditions will get sick. https://apple.news/ArjfNCV0MSMSjJ69_OJJJZQ


Read what I posted.

First off, what I said was we were told one reason for the spike in reported cases was due to expanded testing.

More tests,more positive results.
That's basic statistics.
That's exactly what Gov. Cuomo has been saying for the past week.

I also never said anything about age.

What I said was we were told that 80% of the people who test positive,
and don't have underlying health issues, will show no or mild symptoms.

The Municipality and County I mentioned are both Democratic.
They work with the state OEM.
Our Gov. and both houses of our state legislature are also Democratic.

Can't see their OEM people presenting "political talking points" for the Administration.



I have a masters in emergency management, I studied in NYC and many of my professors were from New Jersey and they will be be opening EOCís in New York and New Jersey. We have done tabletop exercises and part of our messaging is that we follow the whole community approach meaning that everyone in the community is a stakeholder and they should never give concrete information or speculate because facts on the ground change. What Cuomo is doing in New Rochelle is an example, they have tents distributing information and they will have tents triaging and testing soon. This will lessen the burden on hospitals and help establish an orderly process. The head of the Port Authority has the virus, so we all have to be careful and follow directions, since we did not ramp up testing in the beginning, we have to concede that there will be many more cases, we need to use social distancing to slow the spread. We canít do that by minimizing what the virus is and who it will affect?


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 11:27:52 AM 
Donovan Mitchell tested positive and he went to the arena last night, Emmanuel Mudiay has also tested positive, hopefully they did not sign autographs or high five with fans.


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 11:52:38 AM 
allen wrote:

I have a masters in emergency management, I studied in NYC and many of my professors were from New Jersey and they will be be opening EOCís in New York and New Jersey. We have done tabletop exercises and part of our messaging is that we follow the whole community approach meaning that everyone in the community is a stakeholder and they should never give concrete information or speculate because facts on the ground change. What Cuomo is doing in New Rochelle is an example, they have tents distributing information and they will have tents triaging and testing soon. This will lessen the burden on hospitals and help establish an orderly process. The head of the Port Authority has the virus, so we all have to be careful and follow directions, since we did not ramp up testing in the beginning, we have to concede that there will be many more cases, we need to use social distancing to slow the spread. We canít do that by minimizing what the virus is and who it will affect?


I've been a member of OEM teams going back to 1999.

I'm an engineer,whose expertise is in Flood Damage Assessment and Infrastructure Restoration.
So,when it comes to OEM,those are the only things I feel qualified to offer an assessment of.

The comments in my post were based on listening to the experts who gave the presentation on the Coronavirus Tuesday night.

Personally,I have found tabletop exercises, for things like a flood, to be of limited value,since storms rarely follow any kind of script.

In Northern New Jersey,Hurricane Irene had "tidal influence",even though the Army Corps said that couldn't happen.

Hurricane Sandy had a Tidal Surge,that flooded "backwards".
Again,that went against ever predicted model.

Our OEM people tend to rely on what they've learned from previous disasters.
They have extensive Operation Manuals for pretty much every type of event.

After everything gets back to "normal" we do an "After Action Review" to go over what went right,what went wrong and amend our Operation Manuals for the next time.



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  Message Not Read  RE: Coronavirus and the conference tourneys?
   Posted: 3/12/2020 12:42:41 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
El Gato Roberto wrote:
]Gobert HAS the virus. NBA is suspending the season. Iíd stay tuned for other shoes that might drop. 👞


NCAA suspending all games coming in 3....2.....



I don't think they'll suspend, just cancel. Once one player gets the virus, then that team and whomever they played wouldn't be able to participate in the tournament.



Yep, think you're right Ted. With the over-reaction to cancel all conference tournaments now made, natural progression to just cancel the whole thing coming next.

This reminds me exactly like that time we cancelled all sports, banned or cancelled all public gatherings, closed schools and businesses causing a global recession due to another global pandemic called the H1N1 Swine flu back in 2009.

You know that one where 59 MILLION people in the USA alone were infected and 12,000 Americans died?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_Un...

(compared to the current 1200+ COVID-19 cases)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

No?? You don't remember that? Yeah, me neither.

But don't get in your cars! I mean...don't leave your houses! I mean...TO THE BASEMENTS!
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rpbobcat wrote:
allen wrote:

I have a masters in emergency management, I studied in NYC and many of my professors were from New Jersey and they will be be opening EOCís in New York and New Jersey. We have done tabletop exercises and part of our messaging is that we follow the whole community approach meaning that everyone in the community is a stakeholder and they should never give concrete information or speculate because facts on the ground change. What Cuomo is doing in New Rochelle is an example, they have tents distributing information and they will have tents triaging and testing soon. This will lessen the burden on hospitals and help establish an orderly process. The head of the Port Authority has the virus, so we all have to be careful and follow directions, since we did not ramp up testing in the beginning, we have to concede that there will be many more cases, we need to use social distancing to slow the spread. We canít do that by minimizing what the virus is and who it will affect?


I've been a member of OEM teams going back to 1999.

I'm an engineer,whose expertise is in Flood Damage Assessment and Infrastructure Restoration.
So,when it comes to OEM,those are the only things I feel qualified to offer an assessment of.

The comments in my post were based on listening to the experts who gave the presentation on the Coronavirus Tuesday night.

Personally,I have found tabletop exercises, for things like a flood, to be of limited value,since storms rarely follow any kind of script.

In Northern New Jersey,Hurricane Irene had "tidal influence",even though the Army Corps said that couldn't happen.

Hurricane Sandy had a Tidal Surge,that flooded "backwards".
Again,that went against ever predicted model.

Our OEM people tend to rely on what they've learned from previous disasters.
They have extensive Operation Manuals for pretty much every type of event.

After everything gets back to "normal" we do an "After Action Review" to go over what went right,what went wrong and amend our Operation Manuals for the next time.




It is almost impossible to do an extended exercise for a pandemic do a tabletop is about the best that you can do. Stay safe


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   Posted: 3/12/2020 1:48:22 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:


This reminds me exactly like that time we cancelled all sports, banned or cancelled all public gatherings, closed schools and businesses causing a global recession due to another global pandemic called the H1N1 Swine flu back in 2009.

You know that one where 59 MILLION people in the USA alone were infected and 12,000 Americans died?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic_in_the_Un...

(compared to the current 1200+ COVID-19 cases)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

No?? You don't remember that? Yeah, me neither.

But don't get in your cars! I mean...don't leave your houses! I mean...TO THE BASEMENTS!


They were just talking on the radio about the comparisons between the Swine Flu and Corona.
And how each was handled by the media.

To be honest,I don't recall any of this kind of hysteria and hand wringing for Swine Flu ,even with the number of people who died.

They were also saying that there is virtually nothing being reported on the number of fatalities.

According to the news story,as of today there are a total of 38 deaths,with 26 from the one nursing home in Washington State.





Last Edited: 3/12/2020 1:49:56 PM by rpbobcat

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