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colobobcat66
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Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 4:42:45 PM

As far as I'm concerned, there's one reason that we are where we are right now-our turover ratio. We have only 3 turnovers so far this year and lead the nation in that regard and are second in turnover margin-+15. The question to me is whether we can keep this up or whether it's involves a great deal of good luck. I think I can come up with a turnover or two that did happen in all the wins except NMSU and NS that either sealed the win or made the win possible. There's also been a few cases where a near turnover went our way, (overturned, called dead, or were not caught by the other team when it normally would be (tip at Penn St.). Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems to me.

We've had this discussion before about why some teams do better in this regard and how much is the bounce of the ball. No doubt there are many pieces to that puzzle. Whatever the reasons, if we keep this up, the sky is the limit.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 4:59:09 PM

Those are some interesting stats, I would like to think our defense should deserve credit for creating so many turnovers

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 5:36:56 PM

I haven't looked at the stats, but I don't think Ohio is getting significantly more turnovers than in any other year. They are, however, doing an unbelievable job of taking care of the ball, and it is undeniable that that is one reason they have won their games. On the other hand, they have have had a number of blocked punts and field goals, and those are pretty much the same thing as a turnover, so there is always room for improvement.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 7:14:49 PM

Last year, we were 10-4 (9-3 regular season) with 27 takeaways & 27 giveaways. In 2010, we were 8-5 (8-4) with 25 takeaways and 32 giveaways. In 2009, we were 9-5 (9-3) with 37 takeaways and 24 giveaways. Not a real trend there, although as I recall our turnover margin improved over the last half of last season.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 7:58:42 PM

Pataskala wrote:

Thanks. Putting that in a table, and projecting to 12 games based on the first 7:
                 Take         Give
2009            37    24
2010            25            32
2011            27            27
2012            31             5

I think it's pretty obvious which number is unusual.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 8:55:11 PM

TT's long streak of passes without an interception earlier this season has a lot to do with that low number (5) you allude to, LC.

However, perhaps a bigger contributor is the decrease in the number of fumbles by Beau. Someone with more time and/or savvy, can look it up, but off the top of my head I recall Beau putting the ball on the ground several times last fall, dating back to the opener at NM St. This year, on the other hand, I can only think of 1 or 2 drops at Marshall - one that got a long review to see if it actually was a fumble and a turnover.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 9:59:30 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

I agree that it is both. The entire team is doing a great job of taking care of the ball, and in particular Beau is holding on to it, and TT is making great reads, and not making the bad throws. Few passes have even been batted down, much less picked. Perhaps some of that is rubbing off from his coach, who was known for the same thing. Gdowski, in his one year as a starter, threw 19 TD's and only 2 picks, and an NCAA pass efficiency rating of 177.3 which would have been an NCAA record at the time, but Gdowski only attempted 12.4 passes per game, not enough to be eligible.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 11:52:46 PM

I agree with the general points being made about the relationship between TOs and winning. However, I would like to challenge one small point. The TD at PSU off the tip was not just pure luck and was not an almost turnover. I had an unusual perspective on that play (as did most Ohio fans) sitting up in the nosebleed section right over the play. The PSU defender jumped as high as possible and just barely got the tips of his fingers on the ball. He could have in no way intercepted it, unless it had taken a very crazy bounce off his fingers. The speed of the ball was such that it continued to move forward but at a slightly different angle because of the tip. The receiver adjusted perfectly and hauled the ball in. If the PSU player hadn't touched the ball it probably would also have been a TD. Sure, if TT had thrown it an inch higher it would have been better, but it wasn't just a lucky TD.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/22/2012 11:54:19 PM

Some of us in el Bobcat Challenge contribute on the basis of takeaways or turnover margin. I urge your face to do so also.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/23/2012 5:38:23 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Some of us in el Bobcat Challenge contribute on the basis of takeaways or turnover margin. I urge your face to do so also.

No better way to turn someone off of your cause than shoving it down their throat. We get it already.

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RE: Turnovers making the difference

Posted: 10/23/2012 10:27:50 AM

bostonbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Some of us in el Bobcat Challenge contribute on the basis of takeaways or turnover margin. I urge your face to do so also.

No better way to turn someone off of your cause than shoving it down their throat. We get it already.

Do we?

There are 14 (not a mis-print) who've joined the football Bobcat Challenge. Could you do me a favor? Please review the threads here and watch what comes. Let me know the # of posters and readers (check the thread views) who are interested in a better conference or expanding Peden. (Don't even count those who are interested in BCS bowl or love the magic of undefeated.)

Then, let's talk coffee. I don't drink it but I'd guess that $2 is way less than a Starbux or Peet's or THorton, etc. Could ya give up one coffee a week for, say, just 30 days a year. A HUGE sacrifice, absoutely earth-shattering and life changing. There's $60.

Then, let's say that one participated in the Challenge by grabbing a 'distant' goal--perhaps, pitching in the $60 if the 'Cats go undefeated or make a BCS bowl. Realistically, there's probably a 10-15% chance of that.

So, even your $60 is hardly at risk.

What does it really take to support the team? I realize that a lot of people do what they can in other ways.

But, really, 14 people have taken the challenge--and 'we get it'?

And my attempt to start a basketball Challenge has yet to draw a post.

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