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Posted: 4/10/2022 11:24 AM
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Good points Pete. President Sherman did say in one of his addresses that a second new building for the Osteopathic College is now in the planning phase so money is starting to flow again for building projects.

I guess it will depend on what the next president after Sherman wants to do and particularly how that president views the athletic program in Athens.
Remember that there was a lot of private money that went into the new medical school building that would not be available for other building projects. The Osteopathic Heritage Foundations are not going to fund a new basketball practice facility. Perhaps, other new outside sources will open up for other types of projects. I hope so.
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Posted: 4/10/2022 2:05 PM
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Good points Pete. President Sherman did say in one of his addresses that a second new building for the Osteopathic College is now in the planning phase so money is starting to flow again for building projects.

I guess it will depend on what the next president after Sherman wants to do and particularly how that president views the athletic program in Athens.
Remember that there was a lot of private money that went into the new medical school building that would not be available for other building projects. The Osteopathic Heritage Foundations are not going to fund a new basketball practice facility. Perhaps, other new outside sources will open up for other types of projects. I hope so.
Yes there was private money but the last couple of years the university has been in an environment not to agree on principal to anything new.

On a side note while Grosvenor is receiving funds per The Post interest in repurposing to a dorm looks dead when its already filled up with administrative usage.

This leaves to be built at this point from the 2016 OU Master Plan; new pool/ice rink at Ping, OU Inn conference center annex, basketball practice facility all of which are not in a planning stage. OU Inn I believe is managed by the OU foundation and they could possibly use foundation money to kick start a public/private partnership for a new hotel and further redevelopment of the ridges.
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Posted: 4/11/2022 9:31 AM
We can use the "Naming Rights" fee for the Convocation Center for the starting of fundraising for the practice facility.
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Posted: 4/11/2022 11:32 AM
In all seriousness, I was told there is a very strong prospect for Convo naming rights. Columbus based company.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 12:08 AM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 12:52 AM
Some I know on principal don't want to spend dime more on themselves or anything else than what they are forced to do.

Personally I believe there is something to be said for taking things to the highest level that you reasonably can. Have your own cruise boat or acreage for horses if that adds a level to your lifestyle in of itself has some merit. Alternatively, one could live their entire life in an efficiency apartment without a car and a diet of ramen on principal to not spend an additional dollar.

Those who don't want a nice practice facility worked into The Convo as a recruiting chip and prefer that the university does nothing at all is assuring nothing is going to change.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 9:49 AM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
Some are just out of touch with what a program needs, wants, and is having to produce to recruit (and now, help keep student-athletes). If you think the brick streets, the College Green, the brick buildings. Those things no longer go very far with your major sports.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 1:02 PM
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Those who don't want a nice practice facility worked into The Convo as a recruiting chip and prefer that the university does nothing at all is assuring nothing is going to change.
I think a Basketball Practice Facility is a good idea.

However, its going to be tough to put anywhere near the Convo.

The whole area is a 100 year Flood Zone.

Google "am I in a flood zone" and enter "convocation center athens ohio " and
you'll see the problem.

Whether you want to question the validity or practicality of Flood Zones doesn't matter.

The Flood Zones are established by FEMA.
They alone make that determination.

If a property is in a Flood Zone, you have to follow Federal and State Regulations.

I can't speak for Ohio, but in New Jersey that means any structure must be
elevated 1' above the 100 year flood elevation.

There are also restrictions on placement of fill (zero net fill) as well as extensive "containment" of runoff to prevent any "downstream impact".

Punch Card Park looks like it is in a 100 year flood zone too.

But there's a lot more open area there to fit in a Practice Facility and comply with all Environmental Regulations.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 2:45 PM
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Those who don't want a nice practice facility worked into The Convo as a recruiting chip and prefer that the university does nothing at all is assuring nothing is going to change.
I think a Basketball Practice Facility is a good idea.

However, its going to be tough to put anywhere near the Convo.

The whole area is a 100 year Flood Zone.

Google "am I in a flood zone" and enter "convocation center athens ohio " and
you'll see the problem.

Whether you want to question the validity or practicality of Flood Zones doesn't matter.

The Flood Zones are established by FEMA.
They alone make that determination.

If a property is in a Flood Zone, you have to follow Federal and State Regulations.

I can't speak for Ohio, but in New Jersey that means any structure must be
elevated 1' above the 100 year flood elevation.

There are also restrictions on placement of fill (zero net fill) as well as extensive "containment" of runoff to prevent any "downstream impact".

Punch Card Park looks like it is in a 100 year flood zone too.

But there's a lot more open area there to fit in a Practice Facility and comply with all Environmental Regulations.
I was speaking to the tight wallet attitude with my comments. Wanting to respect building regulations is entirely different.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 3:43 PM
Correct on all accounts. But what is missing here is our 100 year flood zone does not account for the re-routing of the river. And FEMA has refused any rezone to account for the river.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 3:46 PM
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I was speaking to the tight wallet attitude with my comments. Wanting to respect building regulations is entirely different.
I understood what you were saying.

I agree 100%,it would make a great "recruiting chip".

Again, if O.U. doesn't want to take out it all out of their
budget/surplus, do a fund raiser like they did with IPF and Academic Center.

With Boals as coach, that type of fund raising has "umph".

Would love to have my name on another building's plaque, small letters or not.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 4:39 PM
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I was speaking to the tight wallet attitude with my comments. Wanting to respect building regulations is entirely different.
I understood what you were saying.

I agree 100%,it would make a great "recruiting chip".

Again, if O.U. doesn't want to take out it all out of their
budget/surplus, do a fund raiser like they did with IPF and Academic Center.

With Boals as coach, that type of fund raising has "umph".

Would love to have my name on another building's plaque, small letters or not.
Its my belief the athletic department and school largely goes as its leadership goes. McDavis had a vision for a larger campus footprint and that is what ended up in the master plan. Schaus did a lot for the athletic department.

Sherman seems like he's serious about moving the university forward. Julie seems like she might be a Kirbty Hocutt, young riser who is going to move on after a few years particularly since athletics has peaked. Peaked but operating at a high mid major level unlike the Ping days where it was an OVC level department.

When the academic center was built I was told by the foundation it might be the last athletic building to go up in Athens for a long time. But there is different AD in place who probably wants to get at least one facility project in as part of her legacy.
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Posted: 4/12/2022 6:38 PM
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The Master Plan includes a crescent shaped "Welcome Center" added to the front of the Convo. I believe the plan is to tuck it into/behind/below that structure.
One of the problems with this concept, is that the Convo is in a located in a 100 year flood zone.
There are all kinds of issues/restrictions trying to build there.

I would also anticipate needing to build any structure on piles.
That bumps up the cost, big time.

Once the idea of a new Ice Rink next to Ping got dropped, the most cost effective location was/is ,for a number of reasons, "punch card park".
Biggest rip off of "art" in the history of art. The fact we paid someone to raise and lower lands and cost ourselves more in taking care of that is a crock of crap.

Otherwise, would love to see OU annex land off campus for a basketball facility or us donors get together and put a place up on some land.....
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Posted: 4/14/2022 4:56 PM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
I completely agree! Many on this site think if we just spend more money on coaches, facilities, etc. then we elevate the program. We have the best facilities in the MAC and are competitive most years. I'm happy with that.
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We don't have the best facilities in the MAC for basketball. Have you seen Toledo and Bowling Green with their practice courts adjacent to their arena spaces?

There are problems with using the Ping Center. The courts aren't the correct size, plus athletics does not control the Ping Center.

There are multiple scheduling conflicts each season with using the Convo floor.
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:11 AM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
I completely agree! Many on this site think if we just spend more money on coaches, facilities, etc. then we elevate the program. We have the best facilities in the MAC and are competitive most years. I'm happy with that.
We have the biggest facility in the MAC, we do not have the "best" facility. The old lady showing age and still needs a lot of work. Has very few amenities. I am with Jeff, there are definitely better places.
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Posted: 4/15/2022 10:12 AM
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We don't have the best facilities in the MAC for basketball. Have you seen Toledo and Bowling Green with their practice courts adjacent to their arena spaces?

There are problems with using the Ping Center. The courts aren't the correct size, plus athletics does not control the Ping Center.

There are multiple scheduling conflicts each season with using the Convo floor.
When your basketball teams are going to local high schools for practice time, you should probably consider how DI your facilities are.
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Posted: 4/15/2022 4:05 PM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
I completely agree! Many on this site think if we just spend more money on coaches, facilities, etc. then we elevate the program. We have the best facilities in the MAC and are competitive most years. I'm happy with that.
We have the biggest facility in the MAC, we do not have the "best" facility. The old lady showing age and still needs a lot of work. Has very few amenities. I am with Jeff, there are definitely better places.
What amenities are you looking for that we don't have?
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Posted: 4/16/2022 8:57 AM
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Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
I completely agree! Many on this site think if we just spend more money on coaches, facilities, etc. then we elevate the program. We have the best facilities in the MAC and are competitive most years. I'm happy with that.
We have the biggest facility in the MAC, we do not have the "best" facility. The old lady showing age and still needs a lot of work. Has very few amenities. I am with Jeff, there are definitely better places.
What amenities are you looking for that we don't have?
Currently their weight room is in a storage room.

An actual training table instead of having catered meals everyday and a place to eat

Practice facility

Lounge (that’s not in the middle of the locker room).

Trophy cases and displays of the tradition of Ohio basketball.

I could go on, but it’s obvious you don’t care about anything.
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Posted: 4/16/2022 9:51 AM
When Ohio launched the fundraising campaign for its IPF, in conversing with Jim Schaus, I expressed my dubiousness about an IPF's serving to strength recruiting. Dubiousness aside, I donated.

I remain dubious. I'm now thinking of Kent State. It just might have been first in the MAC to construct such a facility. I know it was in place in 1995 when I took on the presidency of the Akron-Canton Alumni Chapter. Indeed I visited it several times because a contact for scheduling Ohio alumni events at Kent had an office there. I also attended a MAC indoor track championship held there. Today there is scant evidence that that facility has strengthened Kent's recruiting. Some folks might disagree, positing that Kent's recruiting might have been worse without it. Perhaps.

Then there is Akron with its much newer and spiffier IPF. How has it affected recruiting? Without it could Akron's recruiting have been weaker?

Now my thinking is turning to some big time basketball programs which compete nicely with arenas that are but shadows compared to Ohio's Convocation Center. I am thinking Duke, Vandy and Stanford among others. In the MAC, Kent and Akron compete nicely with arenas that to me are glorified high school gyms.

So the "arms race" continues and some on this board are making the case for a basketball practice facility. Yes, I am dubious that it would strengthen recruiting - or team performance. In earlier fundraising campaigns for Ohio's IPF and the end zone academic center, I donated. If such a campaign is mounted for a basketball practice facility, I think I will abstain from donating.

BTW, going back 40+ years, one of my favorite Ohio University Foundation giving categories is Buildings & Grounds, sometimes called Campus Beautification. I do believe that campus beauty strengthens recruiting of students, if not student-athletes.
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BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Don’t we have the Convo to practice? Just like we have Alden Library to study.
You truly do not get the demands of a modern day athletics department, program or athlete.
Practice facility = waste of money.

More than 1/2 the games are played at the Convo--you want maximum time shooting at the game baskets so players are most familiar with the backgrounds, time clocks, score board and where the coach is standing. For drills, the Convo has two full courts going the opposite direction of center court. You only have 15 players, what do you need 4 courts for?

Utilize Ping for special practices where you want to do something where you are unable to in the Convo and use the indoor football facility by putting flooring down. Or have volleyball practice there.

Indoor Football = no MAC Championships since it has been there. Convo only practice equals numerous NCAA Dance participations and numerous All-MAC selections. Football produces few and far between stars with it's indoor practice facility. A modern day Gary Trent wouldn't be POY because he doesn't have a practice facility? DJ Cooper wouldn't be all time MAC assists holder because of no practice facility? OHIO would have beat NC to go to the Elite 8 if they had had a practice facility?

Portal--why produce a star and have them go elsewhere? Particularly after spending precious $$$ on new practice facilities. Don't stick the students to pay for another facility which they cannot use when there is no evidence that a practice facility would produce noticeably better results then what we have witnessed.
I completely agree! Many on this site think if we just spend more money on coaches, facilities, etc. then we elevate the program. We have the best facilities in the MAC and are competitive most years. I'm happy with that.
We have the biggest facility in the MAC, we do not have the "best" facility. The old lady showing age and still needs a lot of work. Has very few amenities. I am with Jeff, there are definitely better places.
What amenities are you looking for that we don't have?
Currently their weight room is in a storage room.

An actual training table instead of having catered meals everyday and a place to eat

Practice facility

Lounge (that’s not in the middle of the locker room).

Trophy cases and displays of the tradition of Ohio basketball.

I could go on, but it’s obvious you don’t care about anything.
Lounge? Trophy case? Hilarious! I think blending in with the overall student body is better than isolation with training tables and lounges. What’s next, athletic only dorms?
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A practice gym might not improve recruiting, but it would make life a lot easier on the coaches and I think it would help with competitiveness.
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Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
A practice gym might not improve recruiting, but it would make life a lot easier on the coaches and I think it would help with competitiveness.
Jeff, can you offer specifics as to how an IPF would help competitiveness?
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I think we should have a practice facility because
1. Allows an area for basketball to practice IF there is a scheduling conflict with volleyball / graduation / student fairs etc.
2. Allow for us to show off our basketball achievements and traditions, and maybe even highlight past players of our program. Maybe even give a motivation factor for players to see the trophies / older banners coming into practice everyday.
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A practice gym might not improve recruiting, but it would make life a lot easier on the coaches and I think it would help with competitiveness.
Jeff, can you offer specifics as to how an IPF would help competitiveness?
I think a basketball practice facility would reduce the instances of coaches having to delay practices due to use of the main court by other teams. It would also reduce the instances of having to move scheduled practices to other courts which aren't regulation courts. It would also afford more flexibility in blocks of time within a day to schedule practices, which could help accommodate class schedules. This would make practice schedules more consistent and predictable. All that could contribute to the competitive readiness of a team.

It would also free up court space for individual or small group workouts throughout the year.
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