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Posted: 12/11/2018 9:14 AM
Take this with a grain of salt obviously, like all these kind of articles ...

https://moneywise.com/a/ch-b/worst-stadiums-in-college-fo... /

But I did think it was sad that of the 25 stadiums listed ... 7 were in the MAC

EMU, NIU, Ball, Miami, Akron, UB, CMU

Peden escaped the list.

But a lot of what was written was based around poor attendance.

Hmmmm? Maybe a correlation to midweek #MACtion killing MAC attendance making for miserable in-game in-person experiences?

I don't think it's purely coincidental
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Posted: 12/11/2018 10:39 AM
A couple of coats of paint and decent maintenance could make a huge difference at Peden.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:00 AM
A lot of those stadiums are not physically bad. EMU, for example, has a very nice stadium, relatively large, and relatively new, and in good condition. The primary focus seemed to be on the overall game day experience. Do fans have fun? That seems like a reasonable enough question.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:38 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Take this with a grain of salt obviously, like all these kind of articles ...

https://moneywise.com/a/ch-b/worst-stadiums-in-college-fo... /

But I did think it was sad that of the 25 stadiums listed ... 7 were in the MAC

EMU, NIU, Ball, Miami, Akron, UB, CMU

Peden escaped the list.

But a lot of what was written was based around poor attendance.

Hmmmm? Maybe a correlation to midweek #MACtion killing MAC attendance making for miserable in-game in-person experiences?

I don't think it's purely coincidental
Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan, Kent and Bowling Green "escaped" the list. Not sure about the research for this "article." These click "next" pieces, are they serious?
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:48 AM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
Take this with a grain of salt obviously, like all these kind of articles ...

https://moneywise.com/a/ch-b/worst-stadiums-in-college-fo... /

But I did think it was sad that of the 25 stadiums listed ... 7 were in the MAC

EMU, NIU, Ball, Miami, Akron, UB, CMU

Peden escaped the list.

But a lot of what was written was based around poor attendance.

Hmmmm? Maybe a correlation to midweek #MACtion killing MAC attendance making for miserable in-game in-person experiences?

I don't think it's purely coincidental
Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan, Kent and Bowling Green "escaped" the list. Not sure about the research for this "article." These click "next" pieces, are they serious?
Exactly. Also, this is a Canadian publication. So stick to hockey, eh.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:54 AM
We have been on their list in the past
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Posted: 12/11/2018 11:58 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We have been on their list in the past
Again, since I will never click "next" on one of these, is there serious content from real research?
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Posted: 12/11/2018 12:00 PM
Bcat2 wrote:expand_more
We have been on their list in the past
Again, since I will never click "next" on one of these, is there serious content from real research?
Nope
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Posted: 12/11/2018 12:05 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We have been on their list in the past
Again, since I will never click "next" on one of these, is there serious content from real research?
Nope
Thanks.
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Posted: 12/11/2018 2:09 PM
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We have been on their list in the past
Again, since I will never click "next" on one of these, is there serious content from real research?

They seem to have done real research by reading Yelp reviews. ;)
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Posted: 12/11/2018 6:07 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Take this with a grain of salt obviously, like all these kind of articles ...
As I clearly said :-)
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Posted: 12/12/2018 5:26 PM
That list doesn't even include Dix Stadium, which I think more than earned its right to be on it.

I found this video with a 15 of the "worst" college stadiums that includes Kent State. It is actually pretty informational and provides aerial views of all the stadiums so it allows you to picture them better while they are ripping on them.

There is an ad at the beginning. The actual video starts at 1:18.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq4RfN4SkNs
Last Edited: 12/12/2018 6:24:16 PM by bobcatgrad
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Posted: 12/12/2018 8:34 PM
Akron should be glad that the Rubber Bowl is no longer their stadium, or it would be #1 on that list. Too bad they are in zillions of dollars in debt to pay for its replacement.
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Akron should be glad that the Rubber Bowl is no longer their stadium, or it would be #1 on that list. Too bad they are in zillions of dollars in debt to pay for its replacement.
UA's annual debt load on Infocision:$5 million.
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Posted: 12/12/2018 9:01 PM
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Akron should be glad that the Rubber Bowl is no longer their stadium, or it would be #1 on that list. Too bad they are in zillions of dollars in debt to pay for its replacement.
UA's annual debt load on Infocision:$5 million.
Well $5 million is less than a zillion in absolute terms, but not in relative terms, when considering Akron's resources.
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Posted: 12/12/2018 11:05 PM
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Akron should be glad that the Rubber Bowl is no longer their stadium, or it would be #1 on that list. Too bad they are in zillions of dollars in debt to pay for its replacement.
UA's annual debt load on Infocision:$5 million.
Well $5 million is less than a zillion in absolute terms, but not in relative terms, when considering Akron's resources.
Agreed.
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Posted: 12/13/2018 8:27 AM
I know these sorts of lists are subjective, but from a pure stadium standpoint, the fact that Akron was on this list and Kent State wasn’t simply confirms to me that whoever did this ranking was never in either one of them. First off, neither one provides a good “football atmosphere,” and secondly, Akron’s stadium is arguably the nicest in the MAC while Kent State’s is at or near the bottom. Akron’s stadium is one, if not the, top football facilities in the MAC. This list loses all credibility after seeing that alone.
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Posted: 12/13/2018 10:52 AM
I agree that the list is mostly trash in terms of validity.

I think it speaks more of the perception of MAC football. Nearly 30% of the entire list comprised of MAC schools ... whether the stadiums warranted it or not.

I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.

The on-the-field product is incredibly competitive when you look at what WMU did (Cotton Bowl) and NIU (Orange Bowl) in recent years. Same with Toledo getting ranked recently.

I just think the league has done a poor job of capitalizing off actual good football teams.

Instead, it's run like a circus sideshow where they have to resort to promotional stunts.

People tune into midweek MACtion because it's on ... not because they care about who's playing. The average CFB fan doesn't know that Buffalo was 10-2 or that Akron was 4-8.

Feels like the league is a sideshow that people don't take serious (see Pirate Flag nonsense) ... because when most of the world is paying attention to CFB on a Saturday, the MAC's best are no where to be found in the conversation.

You don't think some of those Nathan Rourke performances when he scores 5 TDs and Ohio wins 52-17 over Buffalo wouldn't garner a little more national attention on a Saturday rather than happen in a silo on a Wednesday night where it's forgotten by the next morning's news cycle?

They have standing dates on CBSSN on Saturdays in Sept and Oct ... can they try to negotiate a few November dates? Put a few "premiere" MAC games on there?

When a MAC teams wins a non-league game on a Saturday in September, it gets some attention.

When a MAC team that is 9-1 wins a league game vs another MAC team that is 8-2 it happens in a vacuum on a weeknight where only MAC fans notice.

Just feels like an antiquated idea to keep all these weeknight games ... all while sacrificing your actual fan base and their loyalty.

That's my guess why they ended up on these type of lists
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:00 AM
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
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I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
...

I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
It raises awareness during weeknights when people are itching for football. I don't think for one iota it did anything to help people understand Buffalo was 9-1 at one point.

It's a promotional stunt that gets people to pay attention when there is nothing else going on.

I don't think it has any long-term value in raising the level of the league. I'm not saying the MAC is going to be the SEC someday ... or even the AAC. But I think it can elevate past the Sun Belt or CUSA in terms of quality?

CUSA is pretty bad .... I think we all agree. But they have weekend TV deals that I think the MAC can renegotiate into.

But I don't think they want to. I think they are all-in on the midweek stuff and they're content with being the CFB sideshow/freakshow. That's their thing. A novelty act.

To them ... that is what separates them from the pact. I think it's short-sighted and hurts the fan bases and the validity of some talented football being played in November.
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:29 AM
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
...

I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
It raises awareness during weeknights when people are itching for football. I don't think for one iota it did anything to help people understand Buffalo was 9-1 at one point.

It's a promotional stunt that gets people to pay attention when there is nothing else going on.

I don't think it has any long-term value in raising the level of the league. I'm not saying the MAC is going to be the SEC someday ... or even the AAC. But I think it can elevate past the Sun Belt or CUSA in terms of quality?

CUSA is pretty bad .... I think we all agree. But they have weekend TV deals that I think the MAC can renegotiate into.

But I don't think they want to. I think they are all-in on the midweek stuff and they're content with being the CFB sideshow/freakshow. That's their thing. A novelty act.

To them ... that is what separates them from the pact. I think it's short-sighted and hurts the fan bases and the validity of some talented football being played in November.
I agree with this assessment, bshot44. I actually agree with every point. The part about hurting the fan base really hits home with my wife. She can launch into a 20-minute tirade any time I mention the weekday games. She keeps saying, "They don't give a damn about their fans. We should just stop buying season tickets and drop out of the OBC." So far I've resisted these pleas, but it is getting harder and harder. This year it was a bit easier because we were out of town for all the November games, and we enjoyed watching them in various sports bars across the fruited plain.
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Posted: 12/13/2018 11:46 AM
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
...

I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
It raises awareness during weeknights when people are itching for football. I don't think for one iota it did anything to help people understand Buffalo was 9-1 at one point.

It's a promotional stunt that gets people to pay attention when there is nothing else going on.

I don't think it has any long-term value in raising the level of the league. I'm not saying the MAC is going to be the SEC someday ... or even the AAC. But I think it can elevate past the Sun Belt or CUSA in terms of quality?

CUSA is pretty bad .... I think we all agree. But they have weekend TV deals that I think the MAC can renegotiate into.

But I don't think they want to. I think they are all-in on the midweek stuff and they're content with being the CFB sideshow/freakshow. That's their thing. A novelty act.

To them ... that is what separates them from the pact. I think it's short-sighted and hurts the fan bases and the validity of some talented football being played in November.
I agree with this assessment, bshot44. I actually agree with every point. The part about hurting the fan base really hits home with my wife. She can launch into a 20-minute tirade any time I mention the weekday games. She keeps saying, "They don't give a damn about their fans. We should just stop buying season tickets and drop out of the OBC." So far I've resisted these pleas, but it is getting harder and harder. This year it was a bit easier because we were out of town for all the November games, and we enjoyed watching them in various sports bars across the fruited plain.
Where is the quantifiable evidence that the midweek games hurt the "fan base"? Are midweek games harder to attend? Sure, but how many more people are exposed OHIO football because of them? If this was as horrible as you people make it sound I am sure the University Presidents (starting with the coaches) would tell the MAC office NO.
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
...

I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
It raises awareness during weeknights when people are itching for football. I don't think for one iota it did anything to help people understand Buffalo was 9-1 at one point.

It's a promotional stunt that gets people to pay attention when there is nothing else going on.

I don't think it has any long-term value in raising the level of the league. I'm not saying the MAC is going to be the SEC someday ... or even the AAC. But I think it can elevate past the Sun Belt or CUSA in terms of quality?

CUSA is pretty bad .... I think we all agree. But they have weekend TV deals that I think the MAC can renegotiate into.

But I don't think they want to. I think they are all-in on the midweek stuff and they're content with being the CFB sideshow/freakshow. That's their thing. A novelty act.

To them ... that is what separates them from the pact. I think it's short-sighted and hurts the fan bases and the validity of some talented football being played in November.
I agree with this assessment, bshot44. I actually agree with every point. The part about hurting the fan base really hits home with my wife. She can launch into a 20-minute tirade any time I mention the weekday games. She keeps saying, "They don't give a damn about their fans. We should just stop buying season tickets and drop out of the OBC." So far I've resisted these pleas, but it is getting harder and harder. This year it was a bit easier because we were out of town for all the November games, and we enjoyed watching them in various sports bars across the fruited plain.
Where is the quantifiable evidence that the midweek games hurt the "fan base"? Are midweek games harder to attend? Sure, but how many more people are exposed OHIO football because of them? If this was as horrible as you people make it sound I am sure the University Presidents (starting with the coaches) would tell the MAC office NO.
I guess that depends on what you value more?

An alum in Wyoming that is able to watch Ohio on TV on a Wednesday ... in an empty Peden Stadium

Or a filled Peden Stadium with 20,000+ on a Saturday afternoon where you (hopefully) are building a fan base that will continue to support Ohio with money after graduation or as an alum who can actually attend games?

What happens in 10-15 years when the alum that didn't attend football are out in the world .... and they don't have any memories of attending Ohio football games or caring that much because Ohio/MAC didn't provide any sort of atmosphere to gravitate towards? For them, it was simply something that was on TV in the background on Wednesday night at The Pub for Aquarium Night (do they still do that?!!?)

Anyhow ... I just don't see the value in playing 4 or 5 midweek games a year. Two seems sufficient and is a healthy compromise.

It's a watered down promotional stunt when they flood the weeknights with three or four games a night sometimes. It used to be to showcase the league's best ..... but has turned into a cash grab. Plain and simple.
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The on-the-field product is incredibly competitive when you look at what WMU did (Cotton Bowl) and NIU (Orange Bowl) in recent years. Same with Toledo getting ranked recently.

I just think the league has done a poor job of capitalizing off actual good football teams.
Agree that the MAC is one of the worst FBS conferences, but I don't think the MAC's done a poor job of capitalizing off their good teams. I think the good teams themselves have failed to capitalize. Having only one team, Ohio!, win a bowl game the last 2 years I think does more harm than anything else. Want to raise the MAC's profile? Win all your bowl games, even against P5 teams.
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bshot44 wrote:expand_more
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I think the MAC might be the worst football league in FBS in terms of national perception.

I don't think the midweek games help.

Playing in front of empty stands on novelty nights for half your season isn't helping in my opinion.
...

I think the mid-week MACtion does raise the awareness of the MAC. It also gives people the perception that the stadiums are always empty. The combination is what got them on this list. If you ask yourself "who plays before mostly empty stadiums?", mid-week MACtion pushes some candidates into top-of-mind positions. There are no doubt some CUSA and Sunbelt schools that belong on this list, but the author may not know enough about them to know if they belong.
It raises awareness during weeknights when people are itching for football. I don't think for one iota it did anything to help people understand Buffalo was 9-1 at one point.

It's a promotional stunt that gets people to pay attention when there is nothing else going on.

I don't think it has any long-term value in raising the level of the league. I'm not saying the MAC is going to be the SEC someday ... or even the AAC. But I think it can elevate past the Sun Belt or CUSA in terms of quality?

CUSA is pretty bad .... I think we all agree. But they have weekend TV deals that I think the MAC can renegotiate into.

But I don't think they want to. I think they are all-in on the midweek stuff and they're content with being the CFB sideshow/freakshow. That's their thing. A novelty act.

To them ... that is what separates them from the pact. I think it's short-sighted and hurts the fan bases and the validity of some talented football being played in November.
I agree with this assessment, bshot44. I actually agree with every point. The part about hurting the fan base really hits home with my wife. She can launch into a 20-minute tirade any time I mention the weekday games. She keeps saying, "They don't give a damn about their fans. We should just stop buying season tickets and drop out of the OBC." So far I've resisted these pleas, but it is getting harder and harder. This year it was a bit easier because we were out of town for all the November games, and we enjoyed watching them in various sports bars across the fruited plain.
Where is the quantifiable evidence that the midweek games hurt the "fan base"? Are midweek games harder to attend? Sure, but how many more people are exposed OHIO football because of them? If this was as horrible as you people make it sound I am sure the University Presidents (starting with the coaches) would tell the MAC office NO.
I guess that depends on what you value more?

An alum in Wyoming that is able to watch Ohio on TV on a Wednesday ... in an empty Peden Stadium

Or a filled Peden Stadium with 20,000+ on a Saturday afternoon where you (hopefully) are building a fan base that will continue to support Ohio with money after graduation or as an alum who can actually attend games?

What happens in 10-15 years when the alum that didn't attend football are out in the world .... and they don't have any memories of attending Ohio football games or caring that much because Ohio/MAC didn't provide any sort of atmosphere to gravitate towards? For them, it was simply something that was on TV in the background on Wednesday night at The Pub for Aquarium Night (do they still do that?!!?)

Anyhow ... I just don't see the value in playing 4 or 5 midweek games a year. Two seems sufficient and is a healthy compromise.

It's a watered down promotional stunt when they flood the weeknights with three or four games a night sometimes. It used to be to showcase the league's best ..... but has turned into a cash grab. Plain and simple.
Problem is, what is convent for you or me is NOT what is convent for the larger fan base. Where is OHIO getting exposed to the most potential fans? Where are the most potential recruits and students being exposed to OHIO University and OHIO Football?
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