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Posted: 10/28/2019 9:19 PM
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But MAC East essentially comes down to Miami v Ohio. Winner in complete control. Loser needs wins and HELP

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Posted: 10/29/2019 9:44 AM
I've been thinking about this, and this year has to be Ohio's best chance to win it all. The West Division is in just as much turmoil as the East at the moment and Ohio probably matches up with just about anyone over there.

There is no clear cut favorite like in years past with a Toledo, WMU or NIU running away with this thing. Win out, win the ship, send Frank off into the sunset. Forget about the other scenarios. Just. Win.
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I've been thinking about this, and this year has to be Ohio's best chance to win it all. The West Division is in just as much turmoil as the East at the moment and Ohio probably matches up with just about anyone over there.

There is no clear cut favorite like in years past with a Toledo, WMU or NIU running away with this thing. Win out, win the ship, send Frank off into the sunset. Forget about the other scenarios. Just. Win.
I think the last two years Ohio had excellent chances to win a MACC. They obliterated Buffalo last year and gave away a game at NIU .... the two "best" teams in the MAC. They just gagged in that Miami game and it cost them.

Similar scenario in 2017 ... they beat up a Toledo team that ended up winning the MACC ... but that ugly loss at Akron cost them. In all honesty, that season is really a "what-if" ... could easily have been 12-1 that year.

Here's hoping to no ugly losses this year! Hopefully that NIU loss will constitute as the ugly loss and won't end up costing them a trip to Detroit.

It's all in front of them .... can't ask for a better situation.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:02 PM
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I've been thinking about this, and this year has to be Ohio's best chance to win it all. The West Division is in just as much turmoil as the East at the moment and Ohio probably matches up with just about anyone over there.

There is no clear cut favorite like in years past with a Toledo, WMU or NIU running away with this thing. Win out, win the ship, send Frank off into the sunset. Forget about the other scenarios. Just. Win.
2018 was our year. I sincerely believe we were far and away the best team in the MAC and didn't get it done thanks to 2 heartbreakers on the road. We would've been favored in Detroit by more than 7 points against any MAC team.

This year...I am hoping the team is progressing but not prepared to say it is ours for the taking.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:53 PM
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... They just gagged in that Miami game and it cost them.
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I completely disagree. If they "gagged" in a game, it was NIU. The Miami game gave Ohio an extra hurdle, and Ohio wasn't able to overcome it. The problem with the MAC mid-week games is that every year some team gets crapped on, and last year, it was Ohio's turn. They played at WMU on November 1, then at Miami 6 days later. With road games on both ends of a short week, they essentially had 5 days rest. Meanwhile, Miami had an extra day. The fresher team had a big advantage and Ohio couldn't overcome it, though they very nearly managed to come from behind and win.

I don't see that as a game where Ohio "gagged" at all. Instead, I see it as an epic battle where they did their best, and it wasn't quite enough. The problem is, Ohio should have beaten NIU, and then the Miami game wouldn't have mattered. Now, if you want an example of a game where Ohio "gagged", how about Kent State in 2010? Blech....

Interestingly, the Akron game in 2017 was another case where Ohio had a short week, and Akron didn't. Ohio still needs to find ways to win those, but seriously, the MAC needs to find a way where, if one team has a short week, so does the other. If they can't do that, at least they should have the team with the short week have the home game.

This year there is once again a game where Ohio has a short week, and the other team doesn't. It is in a game that hopefully won't matter, thanks to the win over Ball State. Ohio plays WMU on 6 days rest, while WMU has 7. At least, though, it's a home game, and the week before is a home game for Ohio as well. Having home games on both ends of a short week negates a lot of the disadvantages.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 3:12 PM
Well said LC as the MAC office needs to be consistent with these "short" weeks. No team should have eight days between a game when the other school has only six days rest. Many fans don't want the midweek football games or the Friday night basketball games, but as we all know the ESPN contract is signed and sealed for several years.
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... They just gagged in that Miami game and it cost them.
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I completely disagree. If they "gagged" in a game, it was NIU. The Miami game gave Ohio an extra hurdle, and Ohio wasn't able to overcome it. The problem with the MAC mid-week games is that every year some team gets crapped on, and last year, it was Ohio's turn. They played at WMU on November 1, then at Miami 6 days later. With road games on both ends of a short week, they essentially had 5 days rest. Meanwhile, Miami had an extra day. The fresher team had a big advantage and Ohio couldn't overcome it, though they very nearly managed to come from behind and win.

I don't see that as a game where Ohio "gagged" at all. Instead, I see it as an epic battle where they did their best, and it wasn't quite enough. The problem is, Ohio should have beaten NIU, and then the Miami game wouldn't have mattered. Now, if you want an example of a game where Ohio "gagged", how about Kent State in 2010? Blech....

Interestingly, the Akron game in 2017 was another case where Ohio had a short week, and Akron didn't. Ohio still needs to find ways to win those, but seriously, the MAC needs to find a way where, if one team has a short week, so does the other. If they can't do that, at least they should have the team with the short week have the home game.

This year there is once again a game where Ohio has a short week, and the other team doesn't. It is in a game that hopefully won't matter, thanks to the win over Ball State. Ohio plays WMU on 6 days rest, while WMU has 7. At least, though, it's a home game, and the week before is a home game for Ohio as well. Having home games on both ends of a short week negates a lot of the disadvantages.
Completely agree on the midweek #MACtion nonsense. It is absurd how poorly it's planned out.

I honestly think with a little bit of math, they could sit down and find a way for everyone to get equal rest.

As far as the 2017 Akron and 2018 Miami losses ... I'll give the short weeks may have played a factor. But, as you said, they have to find a way to win those games. With what was on the line ... those are MUST-WIN games. And to fall behind like they did vs. what was a 3-6 Miami team .... somewhat unacceptable.

In those two losses, Ohio was not prepared well. They allowed 58 points (28 to Miami and 30 to Akron) in the first halves. Those were games where they had a chance to win a division title?!?!

Add in that 2010 Kent disaster ... where they were down 14-3 at the half.

That's three "division championship" games in the Solich era where Ohio was outscored 72-34 in the first half.

One common factor ... all were road games. At some point, your team has to be prepared and have the right mindset going into a game like that. And to go into each of those games and get punched in the mouth the first 30 minutes was tough to watch.

Reality ... Ohio has four MAC East titles during the Solich era.

What-If ... Ohio should have 7 ... and it could be 9. Just think if the inexplicable mid-season swoon in 2015 doesn't happen ... or the downward spiral of 2012 & 2013.

We've seen a lot of close calls in that epic quest for the MACC .... let's hope this is the year that things bounce in Ohio's favor.

But once again ... they could be staring at road games vs. BG and Akron (two horrid teams that are absolutely beatable) as must-wins to get to Detroit.

First things first ... gotta win next Wednesday.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 3:18 PM
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... They just gagged in that Miami game and it cost them.
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I completely disagree. If they "gagged" in a game, it was NIU. The Miami game gave Ohio an extra hurdle, and Ohio wasn't able to overcome it. The problem with the MAC mid-week games is that every year some team gets crapped on, and last year, it was Ohio's turn. They played at WMU on November 1, then at Miami 6 days later. With road games on both ends of a short week, they essentially had 5 days rest. Meanwhile, Miami had an extra day. The fresher team had a big advantage and Ohio couldn't overcome it, though they very nearly managed to come from behind and win.

I don't see that as a game where Ohio "gagged" at all. Instead, I see it as an epic battle where they did their best, and it wasn't quite enough. The problem is, Ohio should have beaten NIU, and then the Miami game wouldn't have mattered. Now, if you want an example of a game where Ohio "gagged", how about Kent State in 2010? Blech....

Interestingly, the Akron game in 2017 was another case where Ohio had a short week, and Akron didn't. Ohio still needs to find ways to win those, but seriously, the MAC needs to find a way where, if one team has a short week, so does the other. If they can't do that, at least they should have the team with the short week have the home game.

This year there is once again a game where Ohio has a short week, and the other team doesn't. It is in a game that hopefully won't matter, thanks to the win over Ball State. Ohio plays WMU on 6 days rest, while WMU has 7. At least, though, it's a home game, and the week before is a home game for Ohio as well. Having home games on both ends of a short week negates a lot of the disadvantages.
Id like to see some stats on the short week thing, but you may be right. It makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure it was the deciding factor last year against Miami. We came out flat, they didn’t. Somehow we were able to really dominate the second half. If it was a short week thing, how do we muster up the energy somehow to do that?
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... They just gagged in that Miami game and it cost them.
...

I completely disagree. If they "gagged" in a game, it was NIU. The Miami game gave Ohio an extra hurdle, and Ohio wasn't able to overcome it. The problem with the MAC mid-week games is that every year some team gets crapped on, and last year, it was Ohio's turn. They played at WMU on November 1, then at Miami 6 days later. With road games on both ends of a short week, they essentially had 5 days rest. Meanwhile, Miami had an extra day. The fresher team had a big advantage and Ohio couldn't overcome it, though they very nearly managed to come from behind and win.

I don't see that as a game where Ohio "gagged" at all. Instead, I see it as an epic battle where they did their best, and it wasn't quite enough. The problem is, Ohio should have beaten NIU, and then the Miami game wouldn't have mattered. Now, if you want an example of a game where Ohio "gagged", how about Kent State in 2010? Blech....

Interestingly, the Akron game in 2017 was another case where Ohio had a short week, and Akron didn't. Ohio still needs to find ways to win those, but seriously, the MAC needs to find a way where, if one team has a short week, so does the other. If they can't do that, at least they should have the team with the short week have the home game.

This year there is once again a game where Ohio has a short week, and the other team doesn't. It is in a game that hopefully won't matter, thanks to the win over Ball State. Ohio plays WMU on 6 days rest, while WMU has 7. At least, though, it's a home game, and the week before is a home game for Ohio as well. Having home games on both ends of a short week negates a lot of the disadvantages.
Id like to see some stats on the short week thing, but you may be right. It makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure it was the deciding factor last year against Miami. We came out flat, they didn’t. Somehow we were able to really dominate the second half. If it was a short week thing, how do we muster up the energy somehow to do that?
Exactly ... same can be said in Akron game.

Got down 30-24 at half ... 2nd half held Akron to 7 points.

Same thing vs. Miami ... down 28-7 at half ... 2nd half held Miami to 2 points.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 4:31 PM
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Id like to see some stats on the short week thing, but you may be right. It makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure it was the deciding factor last year against Miami. We came out flat, they didn’t. Somehow we were able to really dominate the second half. If it was a short week thing, how do we muster up the energy somehow to do that?

My explanation is that at the beginning of the game, Ohio was still a little stiff and sore, while Miami was fresh. As the game wore on, Ohio's conditioning and desire kept them about the same, but by the second half, Miami was no longer fresh.

Maybe when Ohio has a short week they should really emphasize the importance of a fast start?
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Posted: 10/29/2019 4:41 PM
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Completely agree on the midweek #MACtion nonsense. It is absurd how poorly it's planned out.

I honestly think with a little bit of math, they could sit down and find a way for everyone to get equal rest.
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Damn right, or they could as least work it out where the team with the short week is the home team.
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
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Posted: 11/2/2019 11:06 PM
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 12:20 AM
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.

Kickoff at CMU and EMU were at about 8 or 9AM, I think. I doubt there were that many people there, at least at the kickoff. I'm sure they report tickets sold, not people in the seats.
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.

Kickoff at CMU and EMU were at about 8 or 9AM, I think. I doubt there were that many people there, at least at the kickoff. I'm sure they report tickets sold, not people in the seats.
I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.
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I would much rather have been driving to A-Town yesterday for the Fiami Game. It's just not something I can do next week given the work situation. That said, this Wednesday is an exception. Weather, stage, rival, etc. will make Wednesday a party night for me and some buds here in Cincy.
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.

Kickoff at CMU and EMU were at about 8 or 9AM, I think. I doubt there were that many people there, at least at the kickoff. I'm sure they report tickets sold, not people in the seats.
I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.
Could not agree more OCF. Walking into the Convo at 1 yesterday a said to myself that this is perfect football weather; why am I going inside to watch an exhibition game against a DIII team. Barring no rain, I'll be there Wednesday night but there sure won't be any tailgating unless I can find a miner's helmet.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 10:17 AM
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I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.

Had Ohio played Saturday, first thing in the morning, like the other MAC games, it would have been 46 degrees, and up to 49 by the end of the game. The weather Wednesday night is expected to be 45. With no sun, that will definitely feel cooler than it would have Saturday morning, but the sun helps more in the afternoon than the morning. I do agree that I prefer Saturday afternoon games, and that would be over either Wednesday night games, or Saturday morning games.

At least the weather will be decent Wednesday for a night game this time of year.
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The weather usually only gets worse as we get later in November. This Saturday is supposed to be sunny but the HIGH will be only about 45. The 10-12,000 devoted fans may show up for a game in weather like that but casual fans generally won't, even with free tickets. It may be warmer on Wednesday night.

Also, any given Saturday might've been picked as a bye week months ago, so you can't necessarily blame MACtion for not having a game on a nice Saturday. The top three teams in the AP poll had a bye this week. Plus this year all the teams get at least two bye weeks because Thanksgiving is so late in the month. CMU wisely scheduled both of their byes in November when the weather in Mt Pleasant doesn't always live up to the town's name.
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Not certain CMU scheduled those byes or the MAC just did the scheduling for them. ESPN probably figured CMU would be one of the worst teams and therefore didn't want them on that many midweek games.
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I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.

Had Ohio played Saturday, first thing in the morning, like the other MAC games, it would have been 46 degrees, and up to 49 by the end of the game. The weather Wednesday night is expected to be 45. With no sun, that will definitely feel cooler than it would have Saturday morning, but the sun helps more in the afternoon than the morning. I do agree that I prefer Saturday afternoon games, and that would be over either Wednesday night games, or Saturday morning games.

At least the weather will be decent Wednesday for a night game this time of year.
I wasn't talking about the ridiculous MAC schedule, I was talking about having a "normal" starting time on a nice November Saturday. And, to answer another statement made in this thread: This is not the only year I've noted very nice football Saturdays in November when OHIO is relegated to bitter cold, night games in the middle of the week. It's kind of getting old.
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.

Kickoff at CMU and EMU were at about 8 or 9AM, I think. I doubt there were that many people there, at least at the kickoff. I'm sure they report tickets sold, not people in the seats.
I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.
You understand the weather does not follow a weekday/weekend pattern right? The chances for bad and good weather are the same.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 6:04 PM
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It won't happen, but ESPN has the Sun Belt playing midweek games in October and the MAC playing midweek games in November. One doesn't have to be a weather expert to realize that places like Buffalo, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Akron will be much colder in November than Atlanta, Statesboro, Troy and Lafayette. Maybe the MAC should consider playing midweek games in October and have Saturday games in November? After thinking this over, I don't want that.
They claim there were 16k at EMU, 12k at BG (vs Akron) and only 10k at CMU today. Saturday games in November don't draw much better than midweek games in November.

The couple of Sun Belt games that are in October go head-to-head with baseball playoffs, so I don't imagine they get much audience. We only go against NBA and NHL regular season games. We probably have it better.

Kickoff at CMU and EMU were at about 8 or 9AM, I think. I doubt there were that many people there, at least at the kickoff. I'm sure they report tickets sold, not people in the seats.
I humbly submit that OHIO is not any of these schools. If we had had a game yesterday (Saturday) instead of this coming Wednesday our attendance would have been much greater than it will be in the freezing cold of Wednesday evening. In Athens we had almost perfect football weather yesterday with a nice bright sunny day and temps in the 50s. I really don't care all that much what these ridiculous weekday games do to other schools, but they wreak havoc on OHIO, IMHO.
You understand the weather does not follow a weekday/weekend pattern right? The chances for bad and good weather are the same.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. It's just that a bad weather day in November is usually much better than a bad weather night in these environs. And, even a good weather night is usually less hospitable than the corresponding day in terms of temperature and perceived temperature. For instance, it's 40 degrees and the sun is shining you feel warmer than if it's 40 degrees and dark. In fact, you probably are a little warmer because of solar gain of the sun warming up the cement of the stadium floor.
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Posted: 11/3/2019 9:59 PM
Everybody pull up your panties and show up or don’t. Quit whining about November football weather. Jeez. Bunch of ladies.
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