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Posted: 7/23/2020 12:26 PM
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:14 PM
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I don't know if it'll rise to the level of 'task force', but if leadership isn't looking at athletics as a possible area for cost savings, that's downright negligent.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:47 PM
A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I've seen crazier things happen.
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I doubt it here. If a few MAC schools pack it in at the FBS level that would leave the MAC a leaner/meaner conference making it all the more attractive to continue in it.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 4:15 PM
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A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
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A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
The single highest paid employee is not the football coach who has been at this institution for 16 plus seasons, it is the new basketball coach who has been employed for a year. Nobody mentions that the former AD overpaid to get him in Athens.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 9:40 PM
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A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
The single highest paid employee is not the football coach who has been at this institution for 16 seasons, it is the new basketball coach who has been employed for a year. Nobody mentions that the former AD overpaid to get Coach Boals in Athens.
Boals, Jeffrey Donald MENS BASKETBALL Head Men's Basketball Coach N/A $581,000.00
Solich, Frank FOOTBALL Head Football Coach N/A $524,928.00

The above info is from The Post. I think the hire of Coach Boals was a good move by Ohio, but in his three seasons as head coach at Stony Brook his teams won 56% of the games and did not win the American East once. The hire was good, but the former AD overpaid for his services.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 10:24 PM
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A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
The single highest paid employee is not the football coach who has been at this institution for 16 seasons, it is the new basketball coach who has been employed for a year. Nobody mentions that the former AD overpaid to get Coach Boals in Athens.







Boals, Jeffrey Donald MENS BASKETBALL Head Men's Basketball Coach N/A $581,000.00
Solich, Frank FOOTBALL Head Football Coach N/A $524,928.00

The above info is from The Post. I think the hire of Coach Boals was a good move by Ohio, but in his three seasons as head coach at Stony Brook his teams won 56% of the games and did not win the American East once. The hire was good, but the former AD overpaid for his services.
The 56% figure is very misleading. That includes a rebuilding first season.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 7:11 AM
Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
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Posted: 7/24/2020 9:28 AM
Administrative bloat is absolutely a legitimate target and underlying reason for skyrocketing tuition. However, it's not a binary either/or situation. Financial sinkhole athletic departments that soak up as much as 10% of a student's tuition bill in subsidies are also a huge and fundamental part of the problem.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:01 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
The single highest paid employee is not the football coach who has been at this institution for 16 plus seasons, it is the new basketball coach who has been employed for a year. Nobody mentions that the former AD overpaid to get him in Athens.
Wasn't this originally pointing at a conversation about Akron and John Groce?
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:02 AM
You got to play to get paid; otherwise, cuts are inevitable. Interesting statement out of Wisconsin should the season get canceled as follows:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29526443...
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:33 AM
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You got to play to get paid; otherwise, cuts are inevitable. Interesting statement out of Wisconsin should the season get canceled as follows:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29526443...
Apples and oranges compared to the MAC. I'd venture that Wisconsin generates more ticket revenue (80K stadium packed with high ticket prices) than all the MAC schools combined. Same thing with OSU. Watch for them to cut back their 35 or 36 D1 sports if they don't have football. But decision making for those schools is a fundamentally different dynamic than decision making for MAC schools where the football programs most likely don't even turn a profit.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 12:28 PM
I assume MAC just announcing cancelation of Fall Sports means Football? This sucks.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 12:47 PM
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I assume MAC just announcing cancelation of Fall Sports means Football? This sucks.
What? Link please.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 1:25 PM
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Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
The salaries are still reasonable for a program that is expected to compete regularly in the Top 3 of the MAC.

When Saul was hired in I remember how both he and Schaus considered Ohio to be the top basketball job in the MAC.

It's debatable if Ohio is the top football job in the MAC but Solich is definitely one the highest profile coaches in the conference.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 1:55 PM
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I assume MAC just announcing cancelation of Fall Sports means Football? This sucks.
What? Link please.
Nope.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 2:31 PM
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Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
The salaries are still reasonable for a program that is expected to compete regularly in the Top 3 of the MAC.

When Saul was hired in I remember how both he and Schaus considered Ohio to be the top basketball job in the MAC.

It's debatable if Ohio is the top football job in the MAC but Solich is definitely one the highest profile coaches in the conference.
I don't want a coach unless he/she expects to compete for one of the top three spots in the MAC.

I think you had a bit too much green koolaid at one of the caravans.

1968 ends the debate on point three you make.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 4:01 PM
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Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
The salaries are still reasonable for a program that is expected to compete regularly in the Top 3 of the MAC.

When Saul was hired in I remember how both he and Schaus considered Ohio to be the top basketball job in the MAC.

It's debatable if Ohio is the top football job in the MAC but Solich is definitely one the highest profile coaches in the conference.
What would Saul have said about the job were a) he not the one hired into it, and b) wasn't (at the time) the league's highest paid coach?

Still the best job in the MAC?
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Posted: 7/24/2020 4:16 PM
Fake news folks. My bad. Buddy sent me link. At first glance I took MAC as Mid American Conference but it was for the Middle Atlantic Conference. Heart rate getting back to normal.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 7:02 PM
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Fake news folks. My bad. Buddy sent me link. At first glance I took MAC as Mid American Conference but it was for the Middle Atlantic Conference. Heart rate getting back to normal.
No problem. Maybe your buddy gets his O's and M's confused because the OAC just cancelled fall sports.

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/ohio-athletic-confere...
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Posted: 7/24/2020 7:04 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
The salaries are still reasonable for a program that is expected to compete regularly in the Top 3 of the MAC.

When Saul was hired in I remember how both he and Schaus considered Ohio to be the top basketball job in the MAC.

It's debatable if Ohio is the top football job in the MAC but Solich is definitely one the highest profile coaches in the conference.
What would Saul have said about the job were a) he not the one hired into it, and b) wasn't (at the time) the league's highest paid coach?

Still the best job in the MAC?
That's a standard throw away line everyone uses. By virtue of saying it you also imply you're the best coach in the league. Anyway, we paid too much for Tim O'Shea and things went up from there. 2012 will be 9 years away this spring.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 8:22 PM
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Don't get me wrong Jeff M as I think Coach Boals will do well and the former AD at Ohio probably should have hired him a few years back. That way his starting salary wouldn't have been near $600,000. Ohio's former AD could have hired him at a salary slightly more than what Geno is currently making at Stony Brook. Maybe his salary would have increased with his performance?
The salaries are still reasonable for a program that is expected to compete regularly in the Top 3 of the MAC.

When Saul was hired in I remember how both he and Schaus considered Ohio to be the top basketball job in the MAC.

It's debatable if Ohio is the top football job in the MAC but Solich is definitely one the highest profile coaches in the conference.
What would Saul have said about the job were a) he not the one hired into it, and b) wasn't (at the time) the league's highest paid coach?

Still the best job in the MAC?
That's a standard throw away line everyone uses. By virtue of saying it you also imply you're the best coach in the league. Anyway, we paid too much for Tim O'Shea and things went up from there. 2012 will be 9 years away this spring.
TOS was just an assistant at BC though. He started at a modest 150k He wasn't the next level, a Bobcat 2.0 coach meaning a major recruiter like Groce or a veteran D1 coach like the last 3 guys that were hired.

The question is do you want to be a bigger D1 sports school? Facilities and pay make Ohio a high mid major level job which is right for a school of Ohio's stature and fan support.

While Boeh made raising Ohio's athletic stature an idea it was Schaus that really made it happen with those salaries, budgets and investments.

Sounds like many of you on here though of of the opinion that nothing has fundamentally changed in relation to Ohio athletics since 1990. My opinion the whole operation has moved up a full level in the last decade or so.
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Posted: 7/25/2020 7:40 AM
There has been talks at both Akron & Kent around their respective total financial situation.
Like when retail companies are in financial trouble they are bought by another stronger company and the weak gets absorbed, costs are reduced be eliminating dual positions.
These 2 schools are relatively close geographically and it might be a good way to help shore up their finances.



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Posted: 7/25/2020 11:27 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
A good first step would be firing all the fat cat administrators on the task force. Lots of wasted dollars in their salaries.
I dunno. I feel like reckoning with the fact that your single highest paid employee has never won a conference championship, oversees a program that loses money every season, and that as an organization nobody can really justify his salary is an important step in any budget conversation.

But, I mean, if you want to leave that until second, whatever.
The single highest paid employee is not the football coach who has been at this institution for 16 seasons, it is the new basketball coach who has been employed for a year. Nobody mentions that the former AD overpaid to get Coach Boals in Athens.
Boals, Jeffrey Donald MENS BASKETBALL Head Men's Basketball Coach N/A $581,000.00
Solich, Frank FOOTBALL Head Football Coach N/A $524,928.00

The above info is from The Post. I think the hire of Coach Boals was a good move by Ohio, but in his three seasons as head coach at Stony Brook his teams won 56% of the games and did not win the American East once. The hire was good, but the former AD overpaid for his services.
Not totally true, Frank’s extension made him higher paid than Jeff. And Jeff has more MAC Championship rings than Frank.
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