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Posted: 6/26/2021 3:50 PM
Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.
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Posted: 6/26/2021 4:17 PM
In line with what you posted,given how transmissible the Delta variant is,and the % of people vaccinated in Japan,it seems hard to believe they are still planning on having the Olympics.

Along that line,there's a piece on Real Sports about countries with extremely limited vaccine supplies,deciding to use some of them on their Olympic Athletes rather then,in some places,medical personnel or their most vulnerable citizens.
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Posted: 6/26/2021 6:54 PM
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Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.
I'm a long time season ticket holder at Fur Peace Ranch. Their policy is no vaccine, no entry. I'm a fan of that. By the way, Athens County's vaccination rate is only 41.39%. Other than Washington County (Marietta) all of the surrounding counties are in the 30s.
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Posted: 6/26/2021 10:39 PM
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Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.
I'm a long time season ticket holder at Fur Peace Ranch. Their policy is no vaccine, no entry. I'm a fan of that. By the way, Athens County's vaccination rate is only 41.39%. Other than Washington County (Marietta) all of the surrounding counties are in the 30s.
Looking at our schedule, the 18+ vaccination rates for our opponents' home counties are all over the place (as of 6/25, NY Times), but mostly considerably higher than Athens County's:

Syracuse 69%
Duquesne 61%
Louisiana 40%
Northwestern 57%
Akron 58%
CMU 40%
Buffalo 63%
Kent 51%
Fiami 52%
EMU 63%
Toledo 54%
BG 59%
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Posted: 6/27/2021 10:34 AM
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Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.
Read a couple of articles about this in today's papers.

One was by Dan Wolken of USA Today.
If you google "dan wolken usa today",it comes up.

If I read the article correctly,at the CWS, fully vaccinated players don't get tested.
Unvaccinated players,and I would presume coaches and staff,get tested every other day.
You get a positive test and everything "spirals".

If a vaccinated player tests positive,even if they are asymptomatic,covid protocols kick in.
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Posted: 6/27/2021 11:23 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.

I just can't see how there's any going back at this point. The country is open. And it should be.

Why? Because we have amply available vaccines that are essentially 100% effective against hospitalization and death.

That will slow spread and vastly reduce the severity for many who contract the virus. Shutting things down again when b there's an available solution just doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted: 6/27/2021 1:36 PM
They might not shut things down again, but we can expect some games getting cancelled. Maybe not as many as last season, but with unvaccinated players getting tested weekly or even more often, some players will come up positive and that means vaccinated players around them might test positive as well. If it can take out half a baseball team, it can probably do the same to football teams. Vaccines are available, but not everyone will take advantage of them.
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Posted: 6/27/2021 7:19 PM
I would think for the fall semester most colleges will be reacquiring most or all students to be vaccinated. also you cant believe all vaccination numbers i know they may be close.

But i can tell you that Gallia county tells me that there is probably at least another 10% of the county vaccinated then what they have listed as vaccinated.

Like i was vaccinated at work in a location in west Virginia. Gallia county doesn't list e as vaccinated. My wife got the Johnson and Johnson vaccine one dose actually while we were on vacation out of state at a open vaccination spot.

I mean i dont know what the true percentage numbers are but i know several large employers who vaccinated people and the health department told me they have no accounting for those numbers because people that were vaccinated there were from several different counties and 3 different states.

i think we may have a few cancelled games but not nearly as many as a year ago. i think it is more likely that we might go from full capacity to a little less some places.
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Posted: 6/27/2021 11:36 PM
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I just can't see how there's any going back at this point. The country is open. And it should be.

Why? Because we have amply available vaccines that are essentially 100% effective against hospitalization and death.

That will slow spread and vastly reduce the severity for many who contract the virus. Shutting things down again when there's an available solution just doesn't make sense to me.


+1 Very well stated.

If the current trajectory continues, it won't be long before the pandemic will be in the rearview mirror. We do have to reman vigilant in case there's a mutation that becomes more lethal, but so far none have been significantly more lethal, and most have been less lethal, though some are more contagious. And, so far the vaccines have been protective against all known mutations. So, if you are not vaccinated against COVID-19 and are at least 18 years old, get vaccinated and help us develop greater herd immunity.
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Posted: 6/28/2021 9:20 AM
What are they calling herd immunity up there in Ohio now? Seems like it keeps changing, but Austin Public Health down here in Texas put theirs at 67% which seems way low to me.
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Posted: 6/28/2021 9:45 AM
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What are they calling herd immunity up there in Ohio now? Seems like it keeps changing, but Austin Public Health down here in Texas put theirs at 67% which seems way low to me.
Many think we reached herd immunity when Amy Acton resigned as head of the Ohio Dept of Health.
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Posted: 8/23/2021 10:24 AM
Thursday's CFL game between Toronto and Edmonton has been postponed because several Edmonton players tested positive for covid.

And so it begins.....
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Posted: 8/23/2021 11:19 PM
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Even with vaccinations we could have a repeat of last season. As with VCU at March Madness, the NC State baseball team was eliminated from the College World Series over covid infections. Two unvaccinated players tested positive this past week, so the whole team was tested. Then yesterday, four vaccinated players, who were in the dugout for yesterday's game, tested positive. (For some people, the vaccine doesn't kill the virus, it just keeps them from getting sick or as sick as without the vaccine.) Eventually, half the NC State roster was declared ineligible. NC State was down to 13 players -- four of them pitchers -- in a 3-1 loss to Vandy. Then this morning at 2:15 the NCAA declared today's scheduled game a "no contest" and sent NC State home. Vandy's in the finals and NC State is heartbroken. Although the NCAA claims it's for the players' safety, someone pointed out that there will still be 23,000 untested, maybe unvaccinated and maybe unmasked fans in the stands for the remaining games. No chance for community spread there, huh.

With the start of football season only about 70 days away and new variants spreading rapidly, this season could look a lot like last season. In the rush to get back to normal, we might have a relapse.
I'm a long time season ticket holder at Fur Peace Ranch. Their policy is no vaccine, no entry. I'm a fan of that. By the way, Athens County's vaccination rate is only 41.39%. Other than Washington County (Marietta) all of the surrounding counties are in the 30s.
Looking at our schedule, the 18+ vaccination rates for our opponents' home counties are all over the place (as of 6/25, NY Times), but mostly considerably higher than Athens County's:

Syracuse 69%
Duquesne 61%
Louisiana 40%
Northwestern 57%
Akron 58%
CMU 40%
Buffalo 63%
Kent 51%
Fiami 52%
EMU 63%
Toledo 54%
BG 59%
Central Michigan has a vaccination rate as low as Louisiana?

The flat earth believers are geographically equal opportunity yokels.
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Posted: 8/23/2021 11:50 PM
I think those stats are for Isabella county, where CMU is, not necessarily for the student population, which I'd expect to be considerably higher.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 12:49 AM
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I think those stats are for Isabella county, where CMU is, not necessarily for the student population, which I'd expect to be considerably higher.
The universities aren't reporting yet and probably won't until the students get back on campus and disclose whether they're vaccinated. The last I saw only about 37% of college-age people nationwide are vaccinated. Urban schools are probably higher than rural and northern schools probably higher than most southern and western schools.

The latest data from the NYTimes has Isabella County at 42% for the 18+ age group with Lafayette Parish at 47%. New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette and a couple other university parishes are much above the statewide average in Louisiana, which the last I heard was about 30%.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 12:05 PM
LSU to require vaccination or recent negative test

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32077089...
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Posted: 8/24/2021 12:13 PM
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I think those stats are for Isabella county, where CMU is, not necessarily for the student population, which I'd expect to be considerably higher.
The universities aren't reporting yet and probably won't until the students get back on campus and disclose whether they're vaccinated. The last I saw only about 37% of college-age people nationwide are vaccinated. Urban schools are probably higher than rural and northern schools probably higher than most southern and western schools.

The latest data from the NYTimes has Isabella County at 42% for the 18+ age group with Lafayette Parish at 47%. New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette and a couple other university parishes are much above the statewide average in Louisiana, which the last I heard was about 30%.
Isn't there a sizable Amish community up there? The last time I looked at Ohio's figures, Holmes County which is home to many Amish was the lowest in the state by far.
I've seen crazier things happen.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 12:51 PM
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Central Michigan has a vaccination rate as low as Louisiana?

The flat earth believers are geographically equal opportunity yokels.
This is a heck of a lot more complex than your simplistic analysis would indicate. Personally, I'm all for vaccination and I'm vaccinated, but there are other realities that you seem unaware of. Clinically significant mutations are more likely to occur when the virus attacks a vaccinated person compared to an unvaccinated person who has recovered from an SAR-CoV-2 infection. This is because the mRNA vaccines block one very dangerous pathway for the virus, but leave others open. The virus then mutates to take advantage of those open pathways in a vaccinated person. This often results in a "variant" that is more contagious but less lethal. In an unvaccinated person with natural immunity as a result of recovering from COVID-19 more pathways are blocked and the chances of a mutation in that host are less likely. I realize that these are inconvenient facts when you want to sneer at other folks, but you really need to be a little more nuanced.

Yes vaccinated people in older age groups are significantly less likely to die, or be hospitalized, from a SARS-Cov-2 infection compared to their unvaccinated counterparts. That's why I encourage everyone in my age cohort to get one of the COVID-19 vaccines. But, those who choose not be be vaccinated -- especially in younger, less vulnerable cohorts -- are not villains to be treated like someone with leprosy.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 1:09 PM
OSU about to announce their vaccination policy and look for it to be mandatory for all students and staff. Ohio will likely adopt soon after. Next look for a policy like that of LSU's.
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Posted: 8/24/2021 1:31 PM
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OSU about to announce their vaccination policy and look for it to be mandatory for all students and staff. Ohio will likely adopt soon after. Next look for a policy like that of LSU's.
Now that Phizer has full FDA approval, with Moderna and J&J to follow, I'd expect a lot more institutions to follow suit.

Within a couple of hours after the Phizer approval, our Governor mandated all teachers and anyone else who works in a school to be vaccinated, or undergo regular (weekly) testing.

He'd been holding off mandating it, hoping for the Phizer approval.

Question now is, with full FDA approval in place, does the federal government do like they did with smallpox and mandate vaccinations ?
According to what I've read, at that time the SCOTUS ruled that the vaccine mandate was Constitutional.
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OSU about to announce their vaccination policy and look for it to be mandatory for all students and staff. Ohio will likely adopt soon after. Next look for a policy like that of LSU's.
Now that Phizer has full FDA approval, with Moderna and J&J to follow, I'd expect a lot more institutions to follow suit.

Within a couple of hours after the Phizer approval, our Governor mandated all teachers and anyone else who works in a school to be vaccinated, or undergo regular (weekly) testing.

He'd been holding off mandating it, hoping for the Phizer approval.

Question now is, with full FDA approval in place, does the federal government do like they did with smallpox and mandate vaccinations ?
According to what I've read, at that time the SCOTUS ruled that the vaccine mandate was Constitutional.
And the OHIO House has wasted no time in drawing up a Bill that will make such mandates illegal. Jay Edwards right in the thick of the "science".
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Posted: 8/24/2021 1:46 PM
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And the OHIO House has wasted no time in drawing up a Bill that will make such mandates illegal. Jay Edwards right in the thick of the "science".
Help me understand how certain employer groups (nurses, doctors, teachers, etc) that consistently deal with the public and at risk segments of the population, can't be required to get this vaccine in the same way they're require to get a tetanus shot, TB test, flu vaccine, etc? Where is the "unconstitutional" crowd on those shots?

I bring it up because my wife, the nurse, is required to get the above vaccinations as part of keeping her nursing job.










(hint, those immunization shots aren't being politicized for millions of people to take the bait on)
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Posted: 8/24/2021 1:54 PM
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And the OHIO House has wasted no time in drawing up a Bill that will make such mandates illegal. Jay Edwards right in the thick of the "science".
Help me understand how certain employer groups (nurses, doctors, teachers, etc) that consistently deal with the public and at risk segments of the population, can't be required to get this vaccine in the same way they're require to get a tetanus shot, TB test, flu vaccine, etc? Where is the "unconstitutional" crowd on those shots?

I bring it up because my wife, the nurse, is required to get the above vaccinations as part of keeping her nursing job.









(hint, those immunization shots aren't being politicized for millions of people to take the bait on)
You are asking the wrong person this question.
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And the OHIO House has wasted no time in drawing up a Bill that will make such mandates illegal. Jay Edwards right in the thick of the "science".
Help me understand how certain employer groups (nurses, doctors, teachers, etc) that consistently deal with the public and at risk segments of the population, can't be required to get this vaccine in the same way they're require to get a tetanus shot, TB test, flu vaccine, etc? Where is the "unconstitutional" crowd on those shots?

I bring it up because my wife, the nurse, is required to get the above vaccinations as part of keeping her nursing job.

(hint, those immunization shots aren't being politicized for millions of people to take the bait on)
I think it's truly as simple as this: those vaccine mandates came around before literally everything in the US was political. Every single thing is political now. It's the only lens through which people are capable of viewing society through.
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You are asking the wrong person this question.
True. I guess it's a question that I meant for a broader audience than just you and I.


Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I think it's truly as simple as this: those vaccine mandates came around before literally everything in the US was political. Every single thing is political now. It's the only lens through which people are capable of viewing society through.
That seems to be the case with large segments of the country. These days, I try very hard to not involve myself in political discussion as I find it to be a general waste of my time. Personally, I don't find businesses and schools requiring a vaccine to be "political". It's a matter of health and wellness for the operation as a whole, and should be treated as such.
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