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Posted: 5/1/2024 1:33 PM
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I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.
They have? To whom? Expanded playoff means they have an even greater cushion. Why even pay to play down?

The more likely scenario is the games are cancelled and OU is replaced by one of the BIG18.
osu is happy to pay out for more home games. if they could, they'd play 12 home games. In the be careful what you wish for department, more conference games in the big 300 means the inability to dictate your schedule 100%. Also, if the G5 is removed from the equation, that means fewer schools willing to take buyouts versus a home game in return.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 11:22 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.
They have? To whom? Expanded playoff means they have an even greater cushion. Why even pay to play down?

The more likely scenario is the games are cancelled and OU is replaced by one of the BIG18.
osu is happy to pay out for more home games. if they could, they'd play 12 home games. In the be careful what you wish for department, more conference games in the big 300 means the inability to dictate your schedule 100%. Also, if the G5 is removed from the equation, that means fewer schools willing to take buyouts versus a home game in return.
DCF is the big winner - just hit the nail on the head.

Take Group of 5 Teams off your schedule = Ohio State can plan to go on the road for at least 2 more P5 away games each year. Loss of revenue for Columbus, Ohio State, the Athletic Department, etc.

Ohio State does not want to have to add games at Baylor and at Colorado instead of bringing in Ohio and Youngstown State.

If Cromer didn't want to work at Ohio State (or fill in the other P5) so badly - she would have already taken the necessary steps to fulfill her fidicuiary responsibility. Lori Gonzalez, as her direct Supervisor, is driving the getaway car for Gene Smith and Ross Bjork.

It's sad and it's pathetic. As long as we hire carpetbaggers who continually glaze the Power 5 - we are going to get what we deserve.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 7:40 PM
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I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.

What do you suggest Julie Cromer offers to Ohio State and Nebraska in exchange for renegotiating the Football contracts?
We give Ohio State access to a student body and alumni base that on average pays far more attention to OSU football than they do their alma mater.

That's gotta be worth something.

I'm not asking why OSU would want to pay Ohio to come and play, nor even, why they would be willing to pay a large number. My question was, why would OSU be willing to give up an agreement they already have for Ohio to come and play the game? Is the liquidated damage clause small enough that Ohio could just pay it, and get a big enough increase in paycheck to offset the liquidated damages that they have to pay? Or, perhaps Ohio could offer to play OSU three times in the future instead of once, at an average price higher than the current price?

I'm not saying it is impossible to renegotiate, only that when you do, you need to give up something to get something, and I was wondering what Bobcat Love thought Julie should be willing to give up.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:22 PM
There is no question that TOSU can afford to pay more than what the original contract suggests. Secondly it is a crying shame that Ohio University agreed to play in Columbus and at Rutgers and play West Virginia in three consecutive games. The West Virginia game is not a so called money game where Ohio University will make a huge amount of dollars. Even if Ohio traveled to Morgantown in 2025, that would be three consecutive power four games. Absolutely ridiculous!! In no scenario should Ohio be playing three power four schools in consecutive weeks.
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Posted: 5/2/2024 9:33 PM
Does Toledo play the type of schedule Ohio is playing? Absolutely not. Look at Toledo’s future and past schedules. One power four team, one home game with a FBS school
and a group of five team at home and on the road. The ideal schedule for a MAC team.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 7:45 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Does Toledo play the type of schedule Ohio is playing? Absolutely not. Look at Toledo’s future and past schedules. One power four team, one home game with a FBS school
and a group of five team at home and on the road. The ideal schedule for a MAC team.
And that's generally been the formula at Ohio, just not every single year.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:42 AM
Has the Ohio State contract been re-negotiated yet?

A nation waits.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:54 AM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
I'll ask again - as the value of the Ohio @ Ohio State and Ohio @ Nebraska games have gone WAY up since the original contracts were negotiated - has Julie Cromer taken the initiative to re-negotiate the terms of the contracts OR find games that will give Ohio a payday commensurate with the correct value of the games?

If not - clear Breach of Fiduciary Responsibility.

We are left behind, while our own AD backs the semi over our corpse.
They have? To whom? Expanded playoff means they have an even greater cushion. Why even pay to play down?

The more likely scenario is the games are cancelled and OU is replaced by one of the BIG18.
osu is happy to pay out for more home games. if they could, they'd play 12 home games. In the be careful what you wish for department, more conference games in the big 300 means the inability to dictate your schedule 100%. Also, if the G5 is removed from the equation, that means fewer schools willing to take buyouts versus a home game in return.
DCF is the big winner - just hit the nail on the head.

Take Group of 5 Teams off your schedule = Ohio State can plan to go on the road for at least 2 more P5 away games each year. Loss of revenue for Columbus, Ohio State, the Athletic Department, etc.

Ohio State does not want to have to add games at Baylor and at Colorado instead of bringing in Ohio and Youngstown State.

If Cromer didn't want to work at Ohio State (or fill in the other P5) so badly - she would have already taken the necessary steps to fulfill her fidicuiary responsibility. Lori Gonzalez, as her direct Supervisor, is driving the getaway car for Gene Smith and Ross Bjork.

It's sad and it's pathetic. As long as we hire carpetbaggers who continually glaze the Power 5 - we are going to get what we deserve.
Jesus.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 12:50 PM
$1.9m seems to be at the high end of current going buy game prices, at least based on what the SEC paid last year: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/... /

The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:15 PM
Yes DFC that is usually the schedule plan but in 2024 the Bobcats are playing two power four teams. It looks like in the near future the one power four and one FCS, with two group of five schools has been scrapped. This is not good.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 1:29 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
Correct.

We have less than 0.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 3:34 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
$1.9m seems to be at the high end of current going buy game prices, at least based on what the SEC paid last year: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/... /

The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
The leverage here probably being that they'd have to pay both Ohio and YSU if they wanted to break the contract. I have no idea what goes into that or how much they have to pay if they break it, but that's my guess.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 9:00 AM
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$1.9m seems to be at the high end of current going buy game prices, at least based on what the SEC paid last year: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/... /

The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
The leverage here probably being that they'd have to pay both Ohio and YSU if they wanted to break the contract. I have no idea what goes into that or how much they have to pay if they break it, but that's my guess.
Yeah, that makes sense in the case of a renegotiation. I was more thinking that in the actual market, when these games are being offered, it's hard to be the first mover insisting on $5m when there are 150 schools that'll take it for less.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:42 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
$1.9m seems to be at the high end of current going buy game prices, at least based on what the SEC paid last year: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/... /

The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
The leverage here probably being that they'd have to pay both Ohio and YSU if they wanted to break the contract. I have no idea what goes into that or how much they have to pay if they break it, but that's my guess.
Yeah, that makes sense in the case of a renegotiation. I was more thinking that in the actual market, when these games are being offered, it's hard to be the first mover insisting on $5m when there are 150 schools that'll take it for less.
150 Julie Cromer's who want to work at Power 5 schools and won't make a move to create an equal playing field until they are held accountable and sued for breach of fiduciary responsibility. Youngstown, Toledo, BG, Akron, etc should be holding out for the same $5 Million. A home win is worth way more than $1.9 Million to Ohio State. They've already lubed up the Group of 5 with the CFP payout proportions, now we are straight bent over to take it from them again with these ridiculously low buy-game amounts. Do some work Cromer and Gonzalez.
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Posted: 5/6/2024 9:29 AM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
$1.9m seems to be at the high end of current going buy game prices, at least based on what the SEC paid last year: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/SEC/2023/... /

The challenge with these negotiations is not about what it's worth to Ohio State, but rather about what other G5 and FCS schools are willing to play these games for. From Ohio State's perspective, OU doesn't add incremental value that a Youngstown State doesn't. If they're willing to take the game for $800k, where's our leverage?
The leverage here probably being that they'd have to pay both Ohio and YSU if they wanted to break the contract. I have no idea what goes into that or how much they have to pay if they break it, but that's my guess.
Yeah, that makes sense in the case of a renegotiation. I was more thinking that in the actual market, when these games are being offered, it's hard to be the first mover insisting on $5m when there are 150 schools that'll take it for less.
150 Julie Cromer's who want to work at Power 5 schools and won't make a move to create an equal playing field until they are held accountable and sued for breach of fiduciary responsibility. Youngstown, Toledo, BG, Akron, etc should be holding out for the same $5 Million. A home win is worth way more than $1.9 Million to Ohio State. They've already lubed up the Group of 5 with the CFP payout proportions, now we are straight bent over to take it from them again with these ridiculously low buy-game amounts. Do some work Cromer and Gonzalez.

And people think IM always angry LOL
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Posted: 5/6/2024 7:18 PM
Keep preaching it Bobcat Love. Keep it coming! What you say is absolutely true.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:44 AM
Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 12:07 PM
What do you think we should be asking for? Do we have comps to justify what we're asking?

What do we say when they say it's their fans and their tv contracts that drive the revenue for this game?

What about the fallout for ADs and programs that get a reputation for trying to renegotiate contracts at the 11th hour?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 1:47 PM
Bobcat Love has the right idea. How about being proactive and trying to get larger contracts with these Big 10/20 schools? Ohio is not getting paid to travel to Syracuse thanks to the former AD and that poorly negotiated contract. Does anyone know what the Bobcats will make traveling to Lexington? I’m guessing it could be much higher than what they will pay Ohio. San Diego St paid Ohio around 1.5 or 1.6 million to play them last season. They are a MWC school. The SEC and Big Ten have way more money than a MWC school.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 3:36 PM
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Bobcat Love has the right idea. How about being proactive and trying to get larger contracts with these Big 10/20 schools? Ohio is not getting paid to travel to Syracuse thanks to the former AD and that poorly negotiated contract. Does anyone know what the Bobcats will make traveling to Lexington? I’m guessing it could be much higher than what they will pay Ohio. San Diego St paid Ohio around 1.5 or 1.6 million to play them last season. They are a MWC school. The SEC and Big Ten have way more money than a MWC school.
This is just not how anything works LOL

Anyway... UK paid $750K to Akron last season. They're paying $550K for a return game in 2026.

I do enjoy watching you talk to yourself across multiple names raging against various athletic directors like a scorned former employee though.

The idea that they could get more, just by crying, is flat-out hilarious.

The poorly negotiated contract you don't even know the details to, was to secure the home game in Athens first, which as I'm sure you know since you're deeply ingrained in the innner workings of the athletic department tend to be an away game first and a home game later, that often never materializes.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:00 PM
The poorly negotiated contract that I was talking about was the home game where Ohio played Syracuse and the upcoming game this season where Ohio travels to Syracuse and doesn’t receive a paycheck. Where in your wacked way of thinking is that a good contract for Ohio? In no way shape or form should Ohio be playing an ACC team and not getting paid. And as for Kentucky paying Akron 750 K and then in 2026 get Akron gets another 550 K that is laughable. SEC teams can and do pay more than the figure you mentioned. And I’m not a former employee who was scorned, just a concerned Bobcat citizen who recognizes a lousy negotiated deal.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 9:47 PM
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The poorly negotiated contract that I was talking about was the home game where Ohio played Syracuse and the upcoming game this season where Ohio travels to Syracuse and doesn’t receive a paycheck. Where in your wacked way of thinking is that a good contract for Ohio? In no way shape or form should Ohio be playing an ACC team and not getting paid. And as for Kentucky paying Akron 750 K and then in 2026 get Akron gets another 550 K that is laughable. SEC teams can and do pay more than the figure you mentioned. And I’m not a former employee who was scorned, just a concerned Bobcat citizen who recognizes a lousy negotiated deal.
We sign home and home contracts with G5 schools all the time. We almost always have one pay-out game with a P5 and one pay-in game with an FCS and two home and home contracts, usually with G5s, as part of our non-conference. We recently scheduled Kansas, Iowa State, and Syracuse as home and home series instead of G5s. How does that hurt us financially? We get more exposure on TV and bigger home crowds than playing a G5. Otherwise it is the same.

Why don't we do that every year? Most P5s aren't willing. Their home crowds are big enough to justify paying G5 teams to get a extra home game. That works for us in getting paid to. But I am 100% positive that the athletic department would rather have a home and home with a P5 than a G5. There is no way that Syracuse is going to pay us to play a home and home with them when just about all G5s would love to have the home and home that we got from them for no extra money. And if is in lieu of a G5 home and home series it is financially helpful. Of course, we might be able to fund the athletic department better in the short run by playing more than one pay-out game INSTEAD of having two home and home series as part if the schedule each year, some MAC schools often do, but only having 2 or 3 Saturday home games impacts the goals of the department negatively in other ways.
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:13 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
What do you think we should be asking for? Do we have comps to justify what we're asking?

What do we say when they say it's their fans and their tv contracts that drive the revenue for this game?

What about the fallout for ADs and programs that get a reputation for trying to renegotiate contracts at the 11th hour?
$7.9 million dollars,if we don’t get it we can pay an FCS school $900k to come here and play in our claimed attendance of 21,000
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:15 PM
If we demand more, what do you all think our FCS schools will demand. It’s all relative. But you don’t think there is not a chain or database which tracks these contracts?
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Posted: 5/7/2024 10:16 PM
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Have the OSU or Nebraska contracts been re-negotiated yet to reflect the true value of the game, perceived win, and economic impact to those universities and communities? $280 Million in Athletic Department Revenue at Ohio State. Matt Rhule has a $74 Million Contract at Nebraska.

Where is Julie Cromer? Where is the oversight from Lori Gonzalez?

A nation waits.

Breach of Fiduciary Responsibilty.
With much respect to you as a poster, but unless an out, why should we be able to demand a renovation of a contract we actually signed 4 years ago??
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