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Posted: 3/23/2023 11:18 AM
I see three distinct possibilities (plus variations in between them):
1. He continues to win 8 every other year, on average, in which case, the remaining years on the contract will slowly decline. As he runs out of years, the AD has to decide whether to sign a new contract, or look for another option. That would no doubt depend on the circumstances. If they win 8, then 3, then 8, then 3, he might be replaced. If they win 10 then 7, then 10 then 7, the AD would presumably sign a new extension.

2. He wins 8+ virtually every year, in which case the chances of him being lured away by a P5 will increase exponentially. I presume that in return for the automatic extension, Albin was required to agree to a healthy buyout arrangement where Ohio will be compensated if he terminates early.

3. He rarely if ever wins 8, in which case the contract will run out in perhaps 4-5 years.

In none of these cases does the outcome look unreasonable or unfair to either party.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 12:19 PM
I don't know why people are upset Coach Albin got an extension. As BTC mentioned, Coach Solich was regularly extended. The football program since 2006 has a better win percentage in league regular season games than the guys basketball program. The football program has won five conference East Titles. Coach Solich and Coach Albin have been a major part of that success. The football program had the best regular season record in the MAC in 2022. The program won 10 games for only the fourth time in school history and Coach Albin was a part of two of those four teams. You have to go way back to Larry Hunter's days to get that kind of regular season conference success in basketball. The basketball program has not won an East Title, let alone a regular season title since Hunter coached. Some will say Jim Christian accomplished this in 2013 and yes his team tied Akron, but was a two seed that year entering the conference tourney because Akron won the tiebreaker. There will always be critics who knock Coach Solich and Coach Albin for not winning a league championship. I'm sure it haunts both Coach Solich and Coach Albin that they have not won the MAC Championship game. Bobcat basketball teams have been solid but not spectacular in the regular season for the past several seasons. The second chance opportunities in the league tourney allowed them to grab MAC tourney titles. However in football, they do not get second chances if they end up in ninth, fifth, or third place at the end of the regular season.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 1:55 PM
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Is that for 8 wins out of 12 or 14 games?
Doesn't matter, its 8 wins. Higher bar than Frank had for his automatic rollover.
So are you saying an 8 and 6 record with two season ending losses gets an automatic rollover?
Appears so:

Also, a new clause has been added to the deal that gives him an automatic one-year extension for winning either eight games, or the MAC championship.
Sounds like a Tim O'Shea negotiation. :)
Frank got a rollover and never had to produce to get it.
Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 4:25 PM
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Is that for 8 wins out of 12 or 14 games?
Doesn't matter, its 8 wins. Higher bar than Frank had for his automatic rollover.
So are you saying an 8 and 6 record with two season ending losses gets an automatic rollover?
Appears so:

Also, a new clause has been added to the deal that gives him an automatic one-year extension for winning either eight games, or the MAC championship.
Sounds like a Tim O'Shea negotiation. :)

The point is still that Frank had a roll over every year without any stipulation regarding wins. That's just a simple true statement.
Frank got a rollover and never had to produce to get it.
Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.
The point is still that Frank had a roll over every year without any stipulation regarding wins. That's just a simple true statement.
Frank got a rollover and never had to produce to get it.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 5:43 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Is that for 8 wins out of 12 or 14 games?
Doesn't matter, its 8 wins. Higher bar than Frank had for his automatic rollover.
So are you saying an 8 and 6 record with two season ending losses gets an automatic rollover?
Appears so:

Also, a new clause has been added to the deal that gives him an automatic one-year extension for winning either eight games, or the MAC championship.
Sounds like a Tim O'Shea negotiation. :)

The point is still that Frank had a roll over every year without any stipulation regarding wins. That's just a simple true statement.
Frank got a rollover and never had to produce to get it.
Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.
The point is still that Frank had a roll over every year without any stipulation regarding wins. That's just a simple true statement.
Frank got a rollover and never had to produce to get it.
Frank also had a pedigree as a B1G head coach before he stepped foot in Athens. Frank was a proven commodity. Albin is not, though he shows great signs of developing into an exemplary coach. I suspect if he reels off two consecutive years with 10+ wins and wins the MAC that his contract will be renegotiated to more closely resemble Frank's.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 5:59 PM
OCF- there is a reason Coach Solich wanted Coach Albin to replace him. The program is in good hands.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 10:21 PM
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Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.

I guess I'm confused. If Solich had signed this contract after his second season, his contract would have ended in 2014, starting with a 4 year contract, and losing one in 2007, 2008, 2013, and 2014. It sounds like you are your fear is that Albin will end up being a better coach than Solich, and that his contract will never end because he will always win 8 or more games every year. If that happens, wouldn't Ohio want to keep him?
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:59 AM
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OCF- there is a reason Coach Solich wanted Coach Albin to replace him. The program is in good hands.
Yes, I agree. Frank told me the same thing himself in Detroit.
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Posted: 3/24/2023 6:08 PM
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OCF- there is a reason Coach Solich wanted Coach Albin to replace him. The program is in good hands.
Yes, I agree. Frank told me the same thing himself in Detroit.
Did he tell you that while traveling to the game on the shuttle bus?
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Posted: 3/24/2023 6:41 PM
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OCF- there is a reason Coach Solich wanted Coach Albin to replace him. The program is in good hands.
Yes, I agree. Frank told me the same thing himself in Detroit.
Did he tell you that while traveling to the game on the shuttle bus?
At the pre-game gathering for OBC members. We had a nice chat.
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Posted: 3/25/2023 5:32 PM
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Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.

I guess I'm confused. If Solich had signed this contract after his second season, his contract would have ended in 2014, starting with a 4 year contract, and losing one in 2007, 2008, 2013, and 2014. It sounds like you are your fear is that Albin will end up being a better coach than Solich, and that his contract will never end because he will always win 8 or more games every year. If that happens, wouldn't Ohio want to keep him?
You are missing the biggest news in all of this is with the 8 win and year extension provision the athletic department has codified what it means to have a good football season in Athens (8 wins).

This answers the age old question of what it means to have a good football season. Remember how Monroe would moan and groan constantly without end and I asked him how many wins constitute a winning season? The answer is now settled its 8 wins.
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Posted: 3/25/2023 5:55 PM
MAC Teams with 8+ Wins in the Last 5 Years (including MAC Champ / Bowl Games)
*This does not include the 2020 COVID year

Ohio (3)
Northern Illinois (3)
Central Michigan (3)
Toledo (2)
Buffalo (2)
Western Michigan (1)
Eastern Michigan (1)
Miami(OH) (1)
Ball State (0)
Kent State (0)
Bowling Green (0)
Akron (0)



MAC Teams with 8+ Wins from 2003 - 2022 (19 years) (including MAC Champ / Bowl Games)
*This does not include the 2020 COVID year

Northern Illinois (11)
Toledo (11)
Ohio (10)
Central Michigan (7)
Bowling Green (7)
Western Michigan (6)
Buffalo (4)
Miami(OH) (4)
Ball State (3)
Eastern Michigan (1)
Kent State (1)
Akron (1)

Rufus posted this on another thread. As you can see it is not extremely easy to get eight wins.
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Posted: 3/25/2023 6:49 PM
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Per Pete Thamel.

Sources: Ohio University and coach Tim Albin have agreed to two-year contract extension through the 2026 season. His salary jumps to $700,000 from $535,000 and there’s a new clause that gives him an automatic year extension for winning eight games or the MAC championship.
Some heads on here are going to explode. Seems the AD didn’t listen to our pontifications on BA. This is quite shocking.
L.C. said 650k on the Extend Tim Albin thread. I estimated 675k-850k (762.5 average) for an extension on the Jason Candle thread. I told the few that were expecting a brinks truck (2-3 million per year) for Albin after sneaking out a bowl win as misguided.

Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase. Did the AD offer the same to Boals and he declined? Do the AD and Boals get along well or is Jeff on thin ice after his deplorable tweeting? Something doesn't sound right to me when a 10 win season and no MACC is worth more than a win in the NCAA tournament.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 12:18 PM
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Per Pete Thamel.

Sources: Ohio University and coach Tim Albin have agreed to two-year contract extension through the 2026 season. His salary jumps to $700,000 from $535,000 and there’s a new clause that gives him an automatic year extension for winning eight games or the MAC championship.
Some heads on here are going to explode. Seems the AD didn’t listen to our pontifications on BA. This is quite shocking.
L.C. said 650k on the Extend Tim Albin thread. I estimated 675k-850k (762.5 average) for an extension on the Jason Candle thread. I told the few that were expecting a brinks truck (2-3 million per year) for Albin after sneaking out a bowl win as misguided.

Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase. Did the AD offer the same to Boals and he declined? Do the AD and Boals get along well or is Jeff on thin ice after his deplorable tweeting? Something doesn't sound right to me when a 10 win season and no MACC is worth more than a win in the NCAA tournament.
Can you point to anyone who stated that Albin should get 2-3 million per year from OHIO? Just curious.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:51 PM
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Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.

I guess I'm confused. If Solich had signed this contract after his second season, his contract would have ended in 2014, starting with a 4 year contract, and losing one in 2007, 2008, 2013, and 2014. It sounds like you are your fear is that Albin will end up being a better coach than Solich, and that his contract will never end because he will always win 8 or more games every year. If that happens, wouldn't Ohio want to keep him?
You are missing the biggest news in all of this is with the 8 win and year extension provision the athletic department has codified what it means to have a good football season in Athens (8 wins).

This answers the age old question of what it means to have a good football season. Remember how Monroe would moan and groan constantly without end and I asked him how many wins constitute a winning season? The answer is now settled its 8 wins.
Setting an 8-win bar in one of the worst conference divisions in FBS football isn't that high of a bar. Especially with the success this program had under Solich for so long. More than half of Frank's seasons ended with 8 or more wins.

Still, 8 is better than what Frank's contract was as BTC has pointed out.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:54 PM
Campus Flow wrote:expand_more
Per Pete Thamel.

Sources: Ohio University and coach Tim Albin have agreed to two-year contract extension through the 2026 season. His salary jumps to $700,000 from $535,000 and there’s a new clause that gives him an automatic year extension for winning eight games or the MAC championship.
Some heads on here are going to explode. Seems the AD didn’t listen to our pontifications on BA. This is quite shocking.
L.C. said 650k on the Extend Tim Albin thread. I estimated 675k-850k (762.5 average) for an extension on the Jason Candle thread. I told the few that were expecting a brinks truck (2-3 million per year) for Albin after sneaking out a bowl win as misguided.

Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase. Did the AD offer the same to Boals and he declined? Do the AD and Boals get along well or is Jeff on thin ice after his deplorable tweeting? Something doesn't sound right to me when a 10 win season and no MACC is worth more than a win in the NCAA tournament.
Some were saying that there should be no extension until after next season. Any idea who those people were?
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:56 PM
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Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase.
If my math is correct, Albin's getting a +/- 31% increase in salary.

You can argue whether he's worth the increase.

But, I don't see how a +/- 31% increase can be considered "slight".
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Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase.
If my math is correct, Albin's getting a +/- 31% increase in salary.

You can argue whether he's worth the increase.

But, I don't see how a +/- 31% increase can be considered "slight".
Someone thought his number was gonna be bigger than $700,000 after they win 10 next season.

And if they win 10+ next season, it won't matter if they extended him 200 years... it'll be a quick drive over to Morgantown, or up the road to Bloomington.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 9:19 PM
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Its a two year extension with a slight salary increase.
If my math is correct, Albin's getting a +/- 31% increase in salary.

You can argue whether he's worth the increase.

But, I don't see how a +/- 31% increase can be considered "slight".
Someone thought his number was gonna be bigger than $700,000 after they win 10 next season.

And if they win 10+ next season, it won't matter if they extended him 200 years... it'll be a quick drive over to Morgantown, or up the road to Bloomington.

Note that I favored giving him the extension with a raise more like 8%. I do like the auto-extension with 8 wins. If Albin matches the performance of the best MAC coaches of the last twenty years, he'll earn that renewal about half the time. That will give him some job security, but also will give Ohio an opportunity to negotiate a new contract somewhere down the road.

While the raise was bigger than I expected, it's water under the bridge now. Now it's time to worry about next year, and the year after. Even with the many players staying with a bonus Covid year, Ohio still loses a substantial chunk of the defense. I know that the offense will be good, but defense is more closely correlated to winning. I think Ohio will win in the 7-8 range next year, perhaps 9. Will that be enough for Albin to get a P5 offer? Maybe. We'll have to see. The following year Ohio will lose a lot on both offense and defense, so again, the cards aren't aligned for a 10 win season, but again, we'll have to see how things go.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 9:49 PM
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Frank won at least 8 games 9 times. In 15 years, he had a record below .500 just ONCE.

He produced.

I guess I'm confused. If Solich had signed this contract after his second season, his contract would have ended in 2014, starting with a 4 year contract, and losing one in 2007, 2008, 2013, and 2014. It sounds like you are your fear is that Albin will end up being a better coach than Solich, and that his contract will never end because he will always win 8 or more games every year. If that happens, wouldn't Ohio want to keep him?
You are missing the biggest news in all of this is with the 8 win and year extension provision the athletic department has codified what it means to have a good football season in Athens (8 wins).

This answers the age old question of what it means to have a good football season. Remember how Monroe would moan and groan constantly without end and I asked him how many wins constitute a winning season? The answer is now settled its 8 wins.
Setting an 8-win bar in one of the worst conference divisions in FBS football isn't that high of a bar. Especially with the success this program had under Solich for so long. More than half of Frank's seasons ended with 8 or more wins.

Still, 8 is better than what Frank's contract was as BTC has pointed out.
With some schools non-conference schedules, 8 wins is a great season
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Posted: 3/28/2023 12:39 AM
As pointed out above, on average, over the last 19 years, MAC teams win 8 games 29% of the time. If Ohio performs at a rate that is average for the MAC, Albin's four year contract will last about 5-6 years. The top 2 teams in the MAC over that time period, NIU and Toledo, won 8 games 11 times out of 19, 58% of the time. Solich managed it 9 times in 15 years, 60% of the time. If Albin performs at and NIU/Toledo/Solich level, his 4 year contract will last perhaps 9 years.

No one seems to be concerned about the possibility that he performs at an average MAC level or worse. The concern seems be that he will succeed in winning 8 most years, and keep getting renewed. Isn't that a good thing?
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Posted: 3/28/2023 1:01 PM
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As pointed out above, on average, over the last 19 years, MAC teams win 8 games 29% of the time. If Ohio performs at a rate that is average for the MAC, Albin's four year contract will last about 5-6 years. The top 2 teams in the MAC over that time period, NIU and Toledo, won 8 games 11 times out of 19, 58% of the time. Solich managed it 9 times in 15 years, 60% of the time. If Albin performs at and NIU/Toledo/Solich level, his 4 year contract will last perhaps 9 years.

No one seems to be concerned about the possibility that he performs at an average MAC level or worse. The concern seems be that he will succeed in winning 8 most years, and keep getting renewed. Isn't that a good thing?
It is a good thing to keep winning 8+ games, but you run the risk of getting stuck in the same cycle people complained about under Solich: good but not great. A mediocre 7-5 season can be masked by a win in a low tier bowl game to get to 8 wins. Now, maybe Albin breaks that cycle and has more 9-10-11 win seasons that Solich never had. I'm skeptical, but the sample size is still very small.

I'll say one thing though: I've seen really smart college football media guys sing the praises of Kurtis Rourke in a way I don't think I've seen for an Ohio QB, not even his brother or Tyler Tettleton. That's a direct correlation to Albin.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 2:09 PM
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As pointed out above, on average, over the last 19 years, MAC teams win 8 games 29% of the time. If Ohio performs at a rate that is average for the MAC, Albin's four year contract will last about 5-6 years. The top 2 teams in the MAC over that time period, NIU and Toledo, won 8 games 11 times out of 19, 58% of the time. Solich managed it 9 times in 15 years, 60% of the time. If Albin performs at and NIU/Toledo/Solich level, his 4 year contract will last perhaps 9 years.

No one seems to be concerned about the possibility that he performs at an average MAC level or worse. The concern seems be that he will succeed in winning 8 most years, and keep getting renewed. Isn't that a good thing?
It is a good thing to keep winning 8+ games, but you run the risk of getting stuck in the same cycle people complained about under Solich: good but not great. A mediocre 7-5 season can be masked by a win in a low tier bowl game to get to 8 wins. Now, maybe Albin breaks that cycle and has more 9-10-11 win seasons that Solich never had. I'm skeptical, but the sample size is still very small.

I'll say one thing though: I've seen really smart college football media guys sing the praises of Kurtis Rourke in a way I don't think I've seen for an Ohio QB, not even his brother or Tyler Tettleton. That's a direct correlation to Albin.
And the arrival of Brian Smith.

I don't think it's any coincidence Brian arrives from years at Hawaii and Washington State and OU shifts to an Air-Raid style offense.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 2:12 PM
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As pointed out above, on average, over the last 19 years, MAC teams win 8 games 29% of the time. If Ohio performs at a rate that is average for the MAC, Albin's four year contract will last about 5-6 years. The top 2 teams in the MAC over that time period, NIU and Toledo, won 8 games 11 times out of 19, 58% of the time. Solich managed it 9 times in 15 years, 60% of the time. If Albin performs at and NIU/Toledo/Solich level, his 4 year contract will last perhaps 9 years.

No one seems to be concerned about the possibility that he performs at an average MAC level or worse. The concern seems be that he will succeed in winning 8 most years, and keep getting renewed. Isn't that a good thing?
It is a good thing to keep winning 8+ games, but you run the risk of getting stuck in the same cycle people complained about under Solich: good but not great. A mediocre 7-5 season can be masked by a win in a low tier bowl game to get to 8 wins. Now, maybe Albin breaks that cycle and has more 9-10-11 win seasons that Solich never had. I'm skeptical, but the sample size is still very small.

I'll say one thing though: I've seen really smart college football media guys sing the praises of Kurtis Rourke in a way I don't think I've seen for an Ohio QB, not even his brother or Tyler Tettleton. That's a direct correlation to Albin.
And the arrival of Brian Smith.

I don't think it's any coincidence Brian arrives from years at Hawaii and Washington State and OU shifts to an Air-Raid style offense.
It helps to have a QB who can get the ball down the field.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 3:23 PM
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As pointed out above, on average, over the last 19 years, MAC teams win 8 games 29% of the time. If Ohio performs at a rate that is average for the MAC, Albin's four year contract will last about 5-6 years. The top 2 teams in the MAC over that time period, NIU and Toledo, won 8 games 11 times out of 19, 58% of the time. Solich managed it 9 times in 15 years, 60% of the time. If Albin performs at and NIU/Toledo/Solich level, his 4 year contract will last perhaps 9 years.

No one seems to be concerned about the possibility that he performs at an average MAC level or worse. The concern seems be that he will succeed in winning 8 most years, and keep getting renewed. Isn't that a good thing?
It is a good thing to keep winning 8+ games, but you run the risk of getting stuck in the same cycle people complained about under Solich: good but not great. A mediocre 7-5 season can be masked by a win in a low tier bowl game to get to 8 wins. Now, maybe Albin breaks that cycle and has more 9-10-11 win seasons that Solich never had. I'm skeptical, but the sample size is still very small.

I'll say one thing though: I've seen really smart college football media guys sing the praises of Kurtis Rourke in a way I don't think I've seen for an Ohio QB, not even his brother or Tyler Tettleton. That's a direct correlation to Albin.
And the arrival of Brian Smith.

I don't think it's any coincidence Brian arrives from years at Hawaii and Washington State and OU shifts to an Air-Raid style offense.
It helps to have a QB who can get the ball down the field.
Certainly it wouldn't work if Kareem Wilson was still our QB!
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