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Posted: 6/23/2025 1:11 PM
The PAC-12 has finalized the first part of their multi-step television deal, partnering with CBS through 2031. CBS will be the anchor platform, but the league is expected to have a full media rights package which also includes The CW and either ESPN or Turner. Schools are expected to received between $8M-$15M per year, depending on who you ask.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-sports/article/pac-12-in...

The league still needs to finalize their 8th football school to be considered a full-time conference. Talks with UNLV have soured and Texas State is now considered to be the favorite, which would leave an open spot in the Sun Belt Conference. Louisiana Tech and WKU from C-USA are being considered targets for the SBC. I personally would also keep an eye out for East Carolina from the AAC.

There will be a sense or urgency to sign Texas State, as their exit fee from the Sun Belt doubles on July 1st.

Both UNLV and Memphis have both recently expressed their desire to be Big 12 members, though neither has been formally invited.
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Posted: 6/24/2025 12:01 PM
So are we back to calling them power 5 conferences? Or is this new one not powerful enough?

The current 7 (plus Gonzaga) are actually a sensical and logical group resembling a real conference with geographical efficiencies and rivalries.

Fun fact, all 7 signed on members end in the word state.
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Posted: 6/24/2025 12:08 PM
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So are we back to calling them power 5 conferences? Or is this new one not powerful enough?
Unfortunately no, they have they lost their "power" status as it applies to the College Football Playoff. However, the league itself (PAC 12) is named in the lawsuit as it pertains to the NCAA and House settlement. This is a lot of the reason that the remains of the league (Washington St and Oregon St) fought so hard for the money from bowl payouts and tournament shares owed to the conference. The 10 departing members were not only leaving the conference for dead but essentially left WSU and OSU to foot the bill.
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Posted: 6/24/2025 2:39 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
So are we back to calling them power 5 conferences? Or is this new one not powerful enough?
Unfortunately no, they have they lost their "power" status as it applies to the College Football Playoff. However, the league itself (PAC 12) is named in the lawsuit as it pertains to the NCAA and House settlement. This is a lot of the reason that the remains of the league (Washington St and Oregon St) fought so hard for the money from bowl payouts and tournament shares owed to the conference. The 10 departing members were not only leaving the conference for dead but essentially left WSU and OSU to foot the bill.
I think they have to earn the "power" moniker. At he moment, AAC is ahead of them. At best, they're upper G5/6.
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Posted: 6/24/2025 7:13 PM
Power 4.5
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Posted: 6/25/2025 7:19 AM
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Power 4.5
With Boise St. and San Diego State they will be borderline "power" but (no offense to) Texas State...that won't impress the sports world. If they get Memphis, that might help. They have had some really good seasons even while living in the geographic shadow of Ole Miss and Arkansas.
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Posted: 6/25/2025 12:50 PM
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Power 4.5
With Boise St. and San Diego State they will be borderline "power" but (no offense to) Texas State...that won't impress the sports world. If they get Memphis, that might help. They have had some really good seasons even while living in the geographic shadow of Ole Miss and Arkansas.
Texas State was the last resort, but not completely without benefits.

-Conference gets a footprint in Texas for recruiting, which is something both Colorado State and Boise State desperately wanted.

-San Marcos sits right between Austin and San Antonio, both Top 10 in US Population at the moment. If you haven't driven down I-35 in Texas lately, Austin and San Antonio are on the verge of their own metroplex that rivals Dallas/Ft. Worth. It's almost one giant suburb at this point.

-Texas State could possibly take a lesser share for the first couple of years just to get in the league, which would make others already in the league happy.

They've thrown multiple offers at Memphis and the travel just simply doesn't work. A basketball conference with Gonzaga, Memphis and SDSU would be awesome though.
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Posted: 6/26/2025 12:57 PM
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Power 4.5
With Boise St. and San Diego State they will be borderline "power" but (no offense to) Texas State...that won't impress the sports world. If they get Memphis, that might help. They have had some really good seasons even while living in the geographic shadow of Ole Miss and Arkansas.
Texas State was the last resort, but not completely without benefits.

-Conference gets a footprint in Texas for recruiting, which is something both Colorado State and Boise State desperately wanted.

-San Marcos sits right between Austin and San Antonio, both Top 10 in US Population at the moment. If you haven't driven down I-35 in Texas lately, Austin and San Antonio are on the verge of their own metroplex that rivals Dallas/Ft. Worth. It's almost one giant suburb at this point.

-Texas State could possibly take a lesser share for the first couple of years just to get in the league, which would make others already in the league happy.

They've thrown multiple offers at Memphis and the travel just simply doesn't work. A basketball conference with Gonzaga, Memphis and SDSU would be awesome though.
That oil money in Texas is crazy.

Texas State has gone from an FCS school to (potentially) a P5 in about a decade.

They were D2 not too long ago.
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Posted: 6/27/2025 11:10 AM
Everyone is looking at the media deals but where your revenues rank in relation to your conference is the biggest indicator of success. In the MAC Ohio I believe has some of the best marketing and ticket revenue. But the SBC has bigger ticket revenue programs like Marshall and Applachian State and in there the university would be mid-tier revenue wise. Another example is the AAC where Memphis, Tulane and ECU are far ahead in media/ticket revenue compared with Rice, FAU, UNT etc. Being a big fish in a small pond has its advantages.
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Posted: 6/27/2025 8:16 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
Power 4.5
With Boise St. and San Diego State they will be borderline "power" but (no offense to) Texas State...that won't impress the sports world. If they get Memphis, that might help. They have had some really good seasons even while living in the geographic shadow of Ole Miss and Arkansas.
Texas State was the last resort, but not completely without benefits.

-Conference gets a footprint in Texas for recruiting, which is something both Colorado State and Boise State desperately wanted.

-San Marcos sits right between Austin and San Antonio, both Top 10 in US Population at the moment. If you haven't driven down I-35 in Texas lately, Austin and San Antonio are on the verge of their own metroplex that rivals Dallas/Ft. Worth. It's almost one giant suburb at this point.

-Texas State could possibly take a lesser share for the first couple of years just to get in the league, which would make others already in the league happy.

They've thrown multiple offers at Memphis and the travel just simply doesn't work. A basketball conference with Gonzaga, Memphis and SDSU would be awesome though.
That oil money in Texas is crazy.

Texas State has gone from an FCS school to (potentially) a P5 in about a decade.

They were D2 not too long ago.
Just think their basketball program gets upgraded a little bit with the PAC-12 logo. And some of those Texas kids may stay close to home. A lot of positives for the other Bobcats. Maybe we will get a call one day from AAC or dream scenario, ACC.
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Posted: 6/28/2025 8:49 AM
I'm happy for Texas State fans, or as I like to call them, our "Bobcat Cousins in Texas."

The PAC made the right call with this invite. They needed an 8th full member, and planting their flag anywhere in Texas is wise. There's no point in waiting around and hoping AAC schools like Memphis, Tulane, etc. will change their minds and join.
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Posted: 6/30/2025 10:41 AM
Perhaps more interesting is what happens with the Mountain West's new media rights deal. Before the exodus of Boise and others, schools were getting about $3.5 million per year. NIU hitched their wagons on getting more money for football annually, but I can't imagine the difference being that big of a jump now.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/unlv/college-sports-... /
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Posted: 6/30/2025 12:55 PM
TWT, just curious to know what makes you think Ohio has the best marketing and ticket revenue in the MAC. Maybe I'm missing something.
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Posted: 6/30/2025 8:24 PM
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TWT, just curious to know what makes you think Ohio has the best marketing and ticket revenue in the MAC. Maybe I'm missing something.
I've heard the ticket revenue for football before and marketing from time to time at the top of MAC since the time of Schaus. I believe Ohio is also the only school in the MAC with a paid apparel contract.

Overall marketing numbers under corporate sponsorship (in millions) according to the database best in the MAC.

Ohio 1.64
Western 1.39
Buffalo 1.11
Fiami 1.02
Akron 0.89
BGSU 0.83
Balls 0.72
Toledo 0.55
Central 0.40
Eastern 0.22

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Posted: 6/30/2025 9:16 PM
Interesting, thank you. I thought, for sure student fees were more than that % wise. Could you imagine if we had working "non-trough style" restrooms in The Tower seats? Or if we could get some $ to fix the entire structure of the student side of Peden? Visitor's locker room. New/er hand driers in the Convo? Let alone a power-wash on the exterior of the Convo before graduation? As for marketing, between parking, tickets, a few concessions ( please don't run out of water again!)and WVU fans buying a lot of the seats, I would expect nothing less than a $800,000 game.
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Posted: 6/30/2025 9:25 PM
And the Rohr room has become a joke
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Posted: 7/1/2025 12:52 AM
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Interesting, thank you. I thought, for sure student fees were more than that % wise. Could you imagine if we had working "non-trough style" restrooms in The Tower seats? Or if we could get some $ to fix the entire structure of the student side of Peden? Visitor's locker room. New/er hand driers in the Convo? Let alone a power-wash on the exterior of the Convo before graduation? As for marketing, between parking, tickets, a few concessions ( please don't run out of water again!)and WVU fans buying a lot of the seats, I would expect nothing less than a $800,000 game.
Our visiting locker room is one of the best in the league.
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Posted: 7/1/2025 8:00 AM
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And the Rohr room has become a joke
+1
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Posted: 7/1/2025 9:31 AM
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And the Rohr room has become a joke
+1
We're not good at what I consider the basics.

One of the reasons I occasionally express my displeasure with the Convo - no real hospitality areas. The Hardwood House was a nice attempt, but I've been to multiple games where it was even't open and the lights were off.

I'm not trying to big time anyone like we need press boxes lining the rafters, but it would be nice to shoot the shit casually with friends and fans before / after / during games in some new "lounge" type areas. The Jackie O Zone. Boom I even named it for you.

Maybe even like what the NBA has done, and turn a concourse into a "bar" area. Just somewhere else to pull up a chair and have a beer while taking in the game. With a VIEW of the court. Crazy, I know.

Pacers Example: https://www.indystar.com/gcdn/presto/2021/12/06/PIND/e5fa...

Cavs Example: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENjb009WoAI3v44?format=jpg&na...

https://www.rocketarena.com/assets/img/great-lakes-experi...
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Posted: 7/1/2025 11:18 AM
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And the Rohr room has become a joke
+1
Rohr Room redo is in this year's capital budget.
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Posted: 7/1/2025 4:43 PM
M.D.W.S.T wrote:expand_more
And the Rohr room has become a joke
+1
We're not good at what I consider the basics.

One of the reasons I occasionally express my displeasure with the Convo - no real hospitality areas. The Hardwood House was a nice attempt, but I've been to multiple games where it was even't open and the lights were off.

I'm not trying to big time anyone like we need press boxes lining the rafters, but it would be nice to shoot the shit casually with friends and fans before / after / during games in some new "lounge" type areas. The Jackie O Zone. Boom I even named it for you.

Maybe even like what the NBA has done, and turn a concourse into a "bar" area. Just somewhere else to pull up a chair and have a beer while taking in the game. With a VIEW of the court. Crazy, I know.

Pacers Example: https://www.indystar.com/gcdn/presto/2021/12/06/PIND/e5fa...

Cavs Example: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENjb009WoAI3v44?format=jpg&na...

https://www.rocketarena.com/assets/img/great-lakes-experi...
Agree, but you're looking at $1 million just in asbestos removal alone.
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Posted: 7/1/2025 9:04 PM
I really enjoyed the times when coaches came into the Rohr room and spoke for a few minutes. I felt a part of the game. Interactions like that and a fellowship among peers was really attractive to me. It made me feel like i wasn't just coming in for a popcorn and soda.
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