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Posted: 2/9/2018 6:51 AM
There's a very good (in my opinion anyway) in depth article on coach Solich in today's (2/9) The Post .
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Posted: 2/9/2018 8:29 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's a very good (in my opinion anyway) in depth article on coach Solich in today's (2/9) The Post .
You ain't kidding. Great job by writer Andrew Gillis.
Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....
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Posted: 2/9/2018 9:27 AM
I totally agree.
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Posted: 2/9/2018 10:06 AM

Very well done.

I had no idea that Charlie Strong and Charlie Taafe were the other two finalists for the job.

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Posted: 2/9/2018 11:53 AM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Very well done.
I had no idea that Charlie Strong and Charlie Taafe were the other two finalists for the job.
Maybe that's why Charlie really rubbed our noses in it when we played L'ville in 2013
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Posted: 2/9/2018 1:02 PM
Very well researched with great sources. I thoroughly enjoyed the read.
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Posted: 2/9/2018 10:15 PM
Attached the link below:

http://projects.thepostathens.com/SpecialProjects/leading...

I just finished reading it. I started reading it and couldn’t stop, but I knew I had to pause and make myself a coffee to properly take it all in. ;)

I thoroughly enjoyed the read.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 3:17 PM
That was a very good article. Thanks for pointing this one out.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 7:26 PM
I disagree with the idea in the article of the MACC as an achilles heel for the program or either a lack of a media poll Top 25 victory. To me the biggest thing a MAC school can do is win a bigger bowl game. When I mean bigger bowl game I mean something bigger than what the MAC normally has. Ohio won the Independence Bowl in 2012 which the only other G5 programs to win it are Air Force, Southern Miss, East Carolina, Louisiana Tech in the history of that bowl game. This is what the proverbial next level was when Solich was hired, a level very few (except myself) thought we could get to someday. Solich not only got Ohio football to the next level with the health of the administration put the pieces in place to sustain it. Its been a total success really. Basketball hit the next level for about 4-5 years but couldn't sustain it.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 7:50 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I disagree with the idea in the article of the MACC as an achilles heel for the program or either a lack of a media poll Top 25 victory. To me the biggest thing a MAC school can do is win a bigger bowl game. When I mean bigger bowl game I mean something bigger than what the MAC normally has. Ohio won the Independence Bowl in 2012 which the only other G5 programs to win it are Air Force, Southern Miss, East Carolina, Louisiana Tech in the history of that bowl game. This is what the proverbial next level was when Solich was hired, a level very few (except myself) thought we could get to someday. Solich not only got Ohio football to the next level with the health of the administration put the pieces in place to sustain it. Its been a total success really. Basketball hit the next level for about 4-5 years but couldn't sustain it.
Frank started his signing day presser with the idea that Ohio needed to win the MACC and be in the top 25. He disagrees with your ideas in that regard at least.
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Posted: 2/10/2018 8:20 PM
I did watch the presser today before I posted and caught his comments about the "next level" being Top 25 and making a CFP bowl. Then I checked out the 24/7 recruiting classes for this year. Did I see Ohio listed among the Top 25 recruiting classes? Nope. How about the Top 50? Top 100 recruiting classes? Kent State is in the Top 100 and Ohio is not. Are we setting up an annual 7th home game against an SEC opponent in Cleveland? I don't see his "next level" Boise State style projection happening anytime soon. Have we become a Southern Miss I believe we have. We've become a fixture a regular on national TV and there is a significant increase in Columbus area season ticket holders since he has arrived.
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Posted: 2/12/2018 6:40 AM
I don't know if it means anything to The Post staff.
But I did send an email to their editor about the quality of the article.

Just a follow up:

Got nice email responses from both the article's author and The Post's Managing Editor.
Last Edited: 2/12/2018 11:59:24 AM by rpbobcat
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Posted: 2/12/2018 12:58 PM
Amazing piece, thoroughly enjoyed reading this! Great job, Post staff!
What a day at the Convo.....Wow!
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Posted: 2/12/2018 8:03 PM
Outstanding work by Gillis.

The sports writing by the Post has been noticeably improved this year.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:09 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I did watch the presser today before I posted and caught his comments about the "next level" being Top 25 and making a CFP bowl. Then I checked out the 24/7 recruiting classes for this year. Did I see Ohio listed among the Top 25 recruiting classes? Nope. How about the Top 50? Top 100 recruiting classes? Kent State is in the Top 100 and Ohio is not. Are we setting up an annual 7th home game against an SEC opponent in Cleveland? I don't see his "next level" Boise State style projection happening anytime soon. Have we become a Southern Miss I believe we have. We've become a fixture a regular on national TV and there is a significant increase in Columbus area season ticket holders since he has arrived.
Ohio isn't getting on national TV any more than any other team in the MAC in recent years.

Everyone in the MAC has become a fixture on national TV ... to a degree.

That's what midweek #MACtion has done ... the league has roughly five games a week on national TV starting in late October thru late November.

The real metric would be how many national TV games is the league getting outside of that window? Some ... but there's a typical common denominator ... you have to play a P5 school.

Typically the road games at P5 schools find it on TV (BTN, CBSSN, ESPN, etc) ... but when a MAC team hosts a P5, regardless of how good/bad the MAC team is ... it finds it's way to national TV.

Akron got one last year when they hosted Iowa St. .... NIU got one when they hosted BC

Ohio lucked out last year that the weather pushed their game with Kansas to ESPNU.

Toledo got on ESPNNews in 2015 with a home game vs. Iowa St. and 2014 with a home game vs. Mizzou.

I'm sure they'll be on national TV this year when they host Miami (FL)

Ohio doesn't typically get those type of home games ... until Iowa St and UC play in Athens in 2021/23

They did get on CBSSN in 2016 for the embarrassment vs. Tx State ... but that was a rare non-P5 nationally televised game.

It's getting better ... but it's pretty obvious. To get a game in your home stadium on national TV outside of midweek #MACtion .... get a P5 on your schedule. A lot easier said than done.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 2:52 PM
[QUOTE=bshot44...
Ohio isn't getting on national TV any more than any other team in the MAC in recent years.
... [/QUOTE]
I haven't kept up on this, but is this true? Are the national TV games (i.e. EPSN/ESPN2) games evenly distributed between MAC members? I would have thought that the conference leaders would be getting more of the national games.
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Posted: 2/13/2018 10:19 PM
Last two years of National TV Midweek MACtion (excluding ESPN3 "broadcasts")
Pretty damn even for the most part considering that some teams play more midweek games than others. For instance, Toledo had 5 last year ... while Buffalo only had 3. Again, there is no method to the stupidness. Just whatever ESPN needs to fill their time slots.

Ohio (7)
2 CBSSN
5 ESPN

Akron (6)
6 ESPN

Kent (7)
5 ESPN
2 CBSSN

Miami (4)
3 ESPN
1 CBSSN

Buffalo (4)
2 CBSSN
2 ESPN

BG (7)
7 ESPN

WMU (8)
7 ESPN
1 CBSSN

EMU (6)
4 CBSSN
2 ESPN

CMU (6)
2 CBSSN
4 ESPN

NIU (7)
4 CBSSN
3 ESPN

Ball (6)
2 ESPN
4 CBSSN

Toledo (9)
8 ESPN
1 CBSSN
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Posted: 2/13/2018 11:28 PM
It doesn't detract for me at all that other MAC universities have reaped the benefits of midweek football. Its midweek football and midweek sportscenter appearances the most watched show on ESPN. P5 programs are playing on crowded Saturday where they are overshadowed by the Top 10. You don't hear too much if anything out of NC State and Syracuse anymore with how Saturdays are structured for national broadcasts. In light of this midweek seems the best alternative for publicity.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 12:10 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
It doesn't detract for me at all that other MAC universities have reaped the benefits of midweek football. Its midweek football and midweek sportscenter appearances the most watched show on ESPN. P5 programs are playing on crowded Saturday where they are overshadowed by the Top 10. You don't hear too much if anything out of NC State and Syracuse anymore with how Saturdays are structured for national broadcasts. In light of this midweek seems the best alternative for publicity.
Not arguing the value of midweek MACtion (I think I've expressed my opinion on the league prostituting themselves out enough) ... it just felt like you were insinuating Ohio had "become a fixture on national TV" because of the success under Frank. I was simply pointing out that the best of the MAC as well as the cellar dwellers get almost equal time on national TV thanks to the midweek MACtion. Really has nothing to do with how good and/or bad you are.

Back when midweek MACtion was a novelty more than the norm ... it did showcase the league's best on a national stage. Now it fills a spot on the programming grid for ESPN three nights a week in late fall.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 11:51 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Last two years of National TV Midweek MACtion (excluding ESPN3 "broadcasts")
Pretty damn even for the most part considering that some teams play more midweek games than others. For instance, Toledo had 5 last year ... while Buffalo only had 3. Again, there is no method to the stupidness. Just whatever ESPN needs to fill their time slots.

Ohio (7)
2 CBSSN
5 ESPN

Akron (6)
6 ESPN

Kent (7)
5 ESPN
2 CBSSN

Miami (4)
3 ESPN
1 CBSSN

Buffalo (4)
2 CBSSN
2 ESPN

BG (7)
7 ESPN

WMU (8)
7 ESPN
1 CBSSN

EMU (6)
4 CBSSN
2 ESPN

CMU (6)
2 CBSSN
4 ESPN

NIU (7)
4 CBSSN
3 ESPN

Ball (6)
2 ESPN
4 CBSSN

Toledo (9)
8 ESPN
1 CBSSN
Why would you say their is no method to the stupidness when your post shows Toledo and Western had more televised games than any other team? Haven't they been considered the two best teams in the MAC recently? That seems like a method.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 12:49 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
Why would you say their is no method to the stupidness when your post shows Toledo and Western had more televised games than any other team? Haven't they been considered the two best teams in the MAC recently? That seems like a method.
Not all MAC teams play equally midweek ... therefore the teams that play more midweek games get more national TV opportunity.

Toledo has played 10 midweek games last two years
WMU has only played 7 times midweek last two years
Miami only played 6 times.
Same for Buffalo.

(I miscounted WMU ... they were only 7, not 8 [6 on ESPN and 1 on CBSSN])

WMU played 7 times on national TV. So did Kent ... and BG. Both are arguably the worst two teams in the league the last two years.

That is why I would say what I said.
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Posted: 2/14/2018 9:13 PM
Thanks for doing all that research, bshot44. I'll take your data and sort it by conference wins in the last two years, and split into three groups:

11 or more Conference wins, Avg is 7.5 Appearances
Toledo (9) 13 conference wins
WMU (7) 12 conference wins
Ohio (7) 11 conference wins
NIU (7) 11 conference wins

7-10 Conference wins, Avg is 5.5 Appearances
Miami (4) 10 conference wins
Akron (6) 9 conference wins
CMU (6) 9 conference wins
EMU (6) 7 conference wins

Less than 7 conference wins, avg is 6 appearances
BG (7) 5 conference wins
Buffalo (4) 5 conference wins
Kent (7) 3 conference wins
Ball (6) 1 conference win

It looks like there is a slight correlation, but not nearly what I had imagined. It does look like Miami and Buffalo got less than their fair share of appearances, while BG and Kent got more than their fair share.
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Last Edited: 2/14/2018 9:14:30 PM by L.C.
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