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Posted: 7/12/2020 12:29 PM
I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 1:05 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
My first thought was that it will make it easier to leave out deserving mids but it's going to be much harder to include big schools with losing conference records. Would not be shocked to see them expand the field for one year just so they can massage the egos of the big boys.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 1:28 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 2:21 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
And just like that, we are back to AP Poll National Championships

We gotta have some Bobcat journalist plants in the media. We should all start pressuring them to rank Ohio #1.
I've seen crazier things happen.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 3:46 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
As usual, money, with some other fake rationale as to why it would be safe.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 3:50 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
Because it's apples and oranges. 354 teams playing out-of-conference schedules, flying all over the country, with no standard plan in place is not the same as 68 teams in a 4 venues with set protocols. If you are going to play conference games there is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to play the tournament.
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Posted: 7/12/2020 6:36 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
As usual, money, with some other fake rationale as to why it would be safe.
If money was behind all this why have wetanked the economy for safety?
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Posted: 7/12/2020 6:38 PM
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I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
As usual, money, with some other fake rationale as to why it would be safe.
If money was behind all this why have wetanked the economy for safety?
So then all Bowl games are on and CF championship are? Because it’s all about money
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Posted: 7/12/2020 9:03 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'm not sure any football or basketball season will happen, but if they do witout non-conference games, it will be very interesting to see selection for the tournament and playoffs without anyway of comparing one conference to the next.
If you won’t play a non conference season how could you justify post season which is essentially non conference.
As usual, money, with some other fake rationale as to why it would be safe.
If money was behind all this why have wetanked the economy for safety?
So then all Bowl games are on and CF championship are? Because it’s all about money
We'll see. I doubt all bowl games get played, but if there's a season at all, the big money-making bowl games probably will be played. I'm not saying money is a good rationale. It's not at all, but clearly, there's a lot of people who care more about money than anything else. Greed is a big reason we're in the position we're in now.
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Posted: 7/13/2020 8:53 AM
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You are right, all Pitino said was it "buys some time" for a vaccine which is correct. I'm just following that reasoning to it's logical conclusion.

Any vaccine that is created by January will not have undergone any meaningful long-term studies into it's effectiveness or safety. I'm not criticizing anyone for that, it's just the fact of the matter under the circumstances...

With that in mind, I do not really see any difference between November and January* for when the season starts. In both cases, our best case scenario is an untested, unproven vaccine, which will be significantly less effective unless EVERYONE takes it (which would require forced vaccinations which isn't realistic at all)

*cancelling OOC play makes sense to limit spread via geographic isolation so if Pitino is just talking about that and we forget the vaccine point I agree with him
NCAA players being forced to take an unsafe vaccine isn't a logical conclusion. A much more logical conclusion to reach is that Rick Pitino isn't an expert on epidemiology or vaccines, and was making the obvious point that it doesn't look like the country has this pandemic under control and more time is good. Many people use "a vaccine" as a stand in for when this is all behind us.

Further, I don't think his point is let's choose between November OR January. I think his point is that November isn't happening, but maybe pushing back to January would help. As you point out, without a serious change to how Americans approach this, January is no different than November.
Last Edited: 7/13/2020 9:58:14 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Posted: 7/13/2020 10:52 PM
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You are right, all Pitino said was it "buys some time" for a vaccine which is correct. I'm just following that reasoning to it's logical conclusion.

Any vaccine that is created by January will not have undergone any meaningful long-term studies into it's effectiveness or safety. I'm not criticizing anyone for that, it's just the fact of the matter under the circumstances...

With that in mind, I do not really see any difference between November and January* for when the season starts. In both cases, our best case scenario is an untested, unproven vaccine, which will be significantly less effective unless EVERYONE takes it (which would require forced vaccinations which isn't realistic at all)

*cancelling OOC play makes sense to limit spread via geographic isolation so if Pitino is just talking about that and we forget the vaccine point I agree with him
NCAA players being forced to take an unsafe vaccine isn't a logical conclusion. A much more logical conclusion to reach is that Rick Pitino isn't an expert on epidemiology or vaccines, and was making the obvious point that it doesn't look like the country has this pandemic under control and more time is good. Many people use "a vaccine" as a stand in for when this is all behind us.

Further, I don't think his point is let's choose between November OR January. I think his point is that November isn't happening, but maybe pushing back to January would help. As you point out, without a serious change to how Americans approach this, January is no different than November.
Trump takes that one drug, why can’t we all take it 🤦🏼‍♂️
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Posted: 7/16/2020 8:26 PM
ok we have all these early season basketball tourneys that are played on front of mostly empty gyms anyways at least way under capacity. why couldn't all these made for Tv things go on and even create a few more.

secondly i get these vaccines are going to be under tested. But that is going to be the case unless we want to wait years. You know around the world there are clinical trials of vaccines already going on. And these are stage 3 tests. not in America yet but they are happening. But it sounds to me before august 1st we will have over 100k people in united states in 3 different clinical stage 3 tests.

If they test safely from august through November. i would sign up to take it in December. I just think we need to safely get on with our lives and i am sure we can do this.

We are not going to live in a society for a long time that has no covid-19 so we have to figure out a way to live with it and understand we cant say if there is any chance of infection we cant do a activity.
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Posted: 7/21/2020 4:50 PM
Our county (Montgomery) here in Maryland just announced that all Fall and Winter sports have been cancelled and that virtual learning will continue at least through January, 2021.
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Posted: 7/23/2020 11:36 AM
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Our county (Montgomery) here in Maryland just announced that all Fall and Winter sports have been cancelled and that virtual learning will continue at least through January, 2021.

Have not seen places around here cancelling winter sports yet. With the winter sports all being indoors it seems inevitable.
I've seen crazier things happen.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 9:34 AM
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Our county (Montgomery) here in Maryland just announced that all Fall and Winter sports have been cancelled and that virtual learning will continue at least through January, 2021.

Have not seen places around here cancelling winter sports yet. With the winter sports all being indoors it seems inevitable.
A couple of the private school leagues have announced a modified schedule for all three sports seasons. All three will have abbreviated seasons with the Winter sports kicking it off near the end of January. Then it would go to Fall and finish up with Spring. Our county just sent out an announcement that they are exploring a similar option.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 12:46 PM
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Trump takes that one drug, why can’t we all take it
The state of Florida is stuck with a million hits of that crap. They should have no cases of covid at all by now, right?

Off topic:
My daughter was accepted to grad school at Fiami yesterday. She fully expects me to not dislike them anymore. We'll see. But as a person who is also a Vanderbilt fan, I reserve the right to still not allow anything in the color orange in my house.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 4:36 PM
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ok we have all these early season basketball tourneys that are played on front of mostly empty gyms anyways at least way under capacity. why couldn't all these made for Tv things go on and even create a few more.

secondly i get these vaccines are going to be under tested. But that is going to be the case unless we want to wait years. You know around the world there are clinical trials of vaccines already going on. And these are stage 3 tests. not in America yet but they are happening. But it sounds to me before august 1st we will have over 100k people in united states in 3 different clinical stage 3 tests.

If they test safely from august through November. i would sign up to take it in December. I just think we need to safely get on with our lives and i am sure we can do this.

We are not going to live in a society for a long time that has no covid-19 so we have to figure out a way to live with it and understand we cant say if there is any chance of infection we cant do a activity.
The issue with point 1 is not the fans but the travel. That's why the MSL and the NBA went the bubble route. Those tournaments would have teams coming in from all over the country then returned to campus.
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Posted: 8/1/2020 11:56 PM
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Trump takes that one drug, why can’t we all take it
The state of Florida is stuck with a million hits of that crap. They should have no cases of covid at all by now, right?

Off topic:
My daughter was accepted to grad school at Fiami yesterday. She fully expects me to not dislike them anymore. We'll see. But as a person who is also a Vanderbilt fan, I reserve the right to still not allow anything in the color orange in my house.
Congratulations to your daughter. Hope it works out well.
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Posted: 8/2/2020 2:40 PM
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Trump takes that one drug, why can’t we all take it
Trump gets tested (multiple) times a day. Why can't we all?
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