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Posted: 3/14/2011 5:22 PM

Sagarin

MAC #17
Ohio #161, 4th in MAC

RPI

MAC #20
Ohio #163, 4th in MAC

Let us hope that the MAC has reached it' low water mark and will climb back up the rankings next season. 

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Posted: 3/16/2011 1:14 AM
Do they continue to calculate through the postseason?  Wins over Marshall and St. Mary's can't hurt!
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Posted: 3/16/2011 1:19 AM
They do, but I don't think the sites update them.  
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Posted: 3/16/2011 9:18 AM
There are a few ways to elevate your RPI. One is to run the table with the kind of schedule most MAC teams play. That happens once in a blue moon. The other is to play more games above your level and win some of those.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 10:40 AM
The win against Marshall pushes Ohio up to #140 in the Sagarin. The MAC still sits at #17, but maybe a few more wins will change that. The MAC is 3-0 in the postseason so far. Tonight, Miami has Rhode Island (#107) and Western Michigan takes on Tennessee Tech (#206). Then, of course, Akron takes on Notre Dame (#8) on Friday, which could raise the MAC's rating, win or lose.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 11:55 AM
From Twitter, @Jeremy_GuyMAC: "The has jumped two spots in conference RPI after the postseason wins by Buffalo, Kent State and Ohio this week. Currently 18th overall"

Ohio's Sagarin jumped from 161 to 140 with the win over the Terd.

If the MAC East were a conference, it would rank 11th overall in Sagarin ratings using central mean, between the Horizon in 10th and the Missouri Valley in 12th.

If the MAC West were a conference, it would rank 30th, between the Southland and MEAC.
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Posted: 3/16/2011 6:45 PM
anorris wrote:expand_more
If the MAC East were a conference, it would rank 11th overall in Sagarin ratings using central mean, between the Horizon in 10th and the Missouri Valley in 12th.

If the MAC West were a conference, it would rank 30th, between the Southland and MEAC.


That is beyond ridiculous.  Hopefully the West gets better (or drops to D2) soon.
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Posted: 3/17/2011 11:03 PM
It does the MAC little good to improve our RPI in the post season. Too little, too late.
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Posted: 3/18/2011 1:26 PM
Oh....OK.  End of thread.  Thanks Gia.
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Posted: 3/18/2011 2:48 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
It does the MAC little good to improve our RPI in the post season. Too little, too late.


not this year but next year. Akron pulls it off that's 2 years in a row Someone will notice
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Posted: 3/18/2011 3:07 PM
I agree it helps if Akron wins today. But our RPI collectively must be a lot better to get better future seeds and possible at large bids. I think the only way for us to do that is to play an aggressive schedule. That alone won't do it. You have to win some of those games. Not only that, but doesn't the NCAA selection committee say they wipe the slate clean each year? We all know there is a bias to the power conferences, but that is the system we have to beat. What was our RPI ar selection time, 170? Even if we win 22 games with our current schedule, we might crack 100, unless we beat Kansas. We still don't have enough clout for an at large.
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Posted: 3/18/2011 10:31 PM
Once again, Miami disproves your entire theory.  #1 OOC SOS.  What did that do for them?  Even with 20 wins, they're still in the 80's or so.
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Posted: 3/18/2011 11:20 PM
The only way to raise the RPI for the league is to elevate the bottom of the league.  Those RPI numbers hurt the league's average, obviously, but they pull the SOS way down for everyone else who is forced to play them, which pulls down their RPI and the SOS of their opponents.

I agree that some teams in the league, particularly the east, need to schedule -- and win -- some lower-level BCS or CAA/Horizon/MVC games consistently, along with snagging a few high-major victories here and there, but another real difference-maker will be making the very bottom of the league at least 10-win seasons, not 3.
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Posted: 3/19/2011 1:28 PM
For long term improvement to occur and to be retained, MAC schools have to prioritize men's basketball within the resources available to the athletic departments.  The trend of MAC schools' basketball budgets falling behind the Colonial, Horizon, West Coast, etc. has to be reversed.  Otherwise, the MAC may creep back up in certain seasons, but we're destined to stay behind those other mid major conferences.  


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Posted: 3/19/2011 5:25 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
For long term improvement to occur and to be retained, MAC schools have to prioritize men's basketball within the resources available to the athletic departments.  The trend of MAC schools' basketball budgets falling behind the Colonial, Horizon, West Coast, etc. has to be reversed.  Otherwise, the MAC may creep back up in certain seasons, but we're destined to stay behind those other mid major conferences.  


There was a time when the caliber of play throughout say the MWC, CUSA, A-10 was better than what you would find in the true mid major conferences. Then the WCC, MVC, Colonial, Horizon had programs that stepped up and in some years were equal in strength to the MWC, CUSA, A-10. Now with 347 schools, the talent is more distributed then ever among the non-BCS leagues. I really think its becoming less about the overall league RPI and more about what your school is doing on the season. Rarely if ever do mid-majors ride the coattails of a high RPI year for their league and earn an otherwise undeserved NCAA berth. The NCAA committee no longer evaluates at-large schools on how they finished in their last 10 games and that also hurts the high win mid majors. Let say the MAC had a much better year and finished 12 in the RPI standings. The result would be 1 MAC in the NCAA, 1 MAC in the NIT, then 3-4 teams CIT/CBI. It just really wouldn't make that much of a difference. I don't think its realistic for the MAC to finish in the top 8 of the RPI standings ahead of the MVC, A10, WCC, CUSA, MWC all in the same year which is what it would probably take to float in another school from the MAC into the NCAAs.
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