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Posted: 5/16/2011 2:54 PM
http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/05/new_mandat...

If nothing else, this will end the debate on whether or not the CIT is worth it.
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Posted: 5/16/2011 3:06 PM
Rewarding programs that put forth effort and make the conference look good and punishing the ones that make the conference look terrible?

This is gold.
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Posted: 5/16/2011 4:04 PM
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Similarly, the West Division has been set back by a series of unnecessary coaching changes by self-serving, greedy and simple-minded administrators.



I'm trying to figure out what the "unnecessary" coaching changes might be?  Stan Joplin? Tim Buckley?


Overall I think this proposal is great.
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Posted: 5/16/2011 4:12 PM
I agree that this policy move is a step in the right direction, but it is only a modest step. 

Couch cites some of the more fundamental issues, such as institutional committment to basketball as demonstrated in facilities, coaching salaries, etc.

One of my questions:  if the money is simply not there at the MAC schools, will new rules make much difference?  With funding and budgets being issues almost across the board, is this a time when institutional committment can be increased? 
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Posted: 5/16/2011 4:19 PM
I like Graham Couch, but it is amazing and absurd that EMU is not mentioned in the piece as a major catalyst for these new stipulations.
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Posted: 5/16/2011 4:24 PM
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I like Graham Couch, but it is amazing and absurd that EMU is not mentioned in the piece as a major catalyst for these new stipulations.


It's funny that he rips Akron and Kent State a couple times but goes out of his way to not mention Eastern and Central.
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Posted: 5/16/2011 4:47 PM
I love this, it's what I've been looking for. Basically, a fine system. You just don't give them the money instead of taking it away. I think attendance minimums should be part of this as well. Because it is going to take a fan base to change the revenue side of the equation.

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Posted: 5/16/2011 5:04 PM
If maybe two programs in the MAC could dramatically turn things around quickly, this would be a catalyst toward the whole league moving in the right direction.  Look at the Horizon League with Butler. 
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Posted: 5/16/2011 9:21 PM
What are the chances that this has greater detriment to non-revenue sports than to the intended targets here?

Jus' axin.
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Posted: 5/17/2011 12:42 PM
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What are the chances that this has greater detriment to non-revenue sports than to the intended targets here? Jus' axin.


I'm guessing 100% for the teams that bring in less money due to the new rules.

I wonder if there's anything regarding graduation rates in those formulas.
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Posted: 5/17/2011 1:03 PM
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I think attendance minimums should be part of this as well. Because it is going to take a fan base to change the revenue side of the equation.


Disagree. It would take a significant increase in attendance to make a noticeable bump in revenue, and that's not realistic at this time. It's also a variable that is much more out of control of the schools than scheduling, winning, RPI, etc.
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Posted: 5/17/2011 3:48 PM
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I think attendance minimums should be part of this as well. Because it is going to take a fan base to change the revenue side of the equation.


Disagree. It would take a significant increase in attendance to make a noticeable bump in revenue, and that's not realistic at this time. It's also a variable that is much more out of control of the schools than scheduling, winning, RPI, etc.


Plus Eastern Michigan's attendance doesn't directly affect Ohio and the rest of the MAC schools. RPI and competitiveness do.
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Posted: 5/17/2011 10:46 PM
Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.
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Posted: 5/18/2011 3:11 AM
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Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.


As much as i love the idea of rewarding the top teams every year, this does create the potential of a WAC (football wise) scenario, where there are 2 or maybe 3 elite teams, and the rest are left in the dust.
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Posted: 5/18/2011 8:21 AM
KyleWvr13 wrote:expand_more
Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.


As much as i love the idea of rewarding the top teams every year, this does create the potential of a WAC (football wise) scenario, where there are 2 or maybe 3 elite teams, and the rest are left in the dust.

That would be a pretty major improvement to what we have now...
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Posted: 5/18/2011 10:56 AM
anorris wrote:expand_more
Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.


As much as i love the idea of rewarding the top teams every year, this does create the potential of a WAC (football wise) scenario, where there are 2 or maybe 3 elite teams, and the rest are left in the dust.

That would be a pretty major improvement to what we have now...


Yeah. As much as I like the idea of spreading the money out equally, that's not working. We need to try something else. Schools are not equally interested in being competitive, so they shouldn't be treated equally. Even if that makes me sound like a Republican.

(I think the better answer is for the money to be spread out equally among ALL NCAA schools and establish a spending ceiling and floor.)
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Posted: 5/18/2011 11:14 AM
JSF wrote:expand_more
I think attendance minimums should be part of this as well. Because it is going to take a fan base to change the revenue side of the equation.


Disagree. It would take a significant increase in attendance to make a noticeable bump in revenue, and that's not realistic at this time. It's also a variable that is much more out of control of the schools than scheduling, winning, RPI, etc.


I agree. As long as the program has a high level of funding attendance doesn't really matter.
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Posted: 5/18/2011 9:19 PM
KyleWvr13 wrote:expand_more
Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.


As much as i love the idea of rewarding the top teams every year, this does create the potential of a WAC (football wise) scenario, where there are 2 or maybe 3 elite teams, and the rest are left in the dust.


As long as OHIO is one of those elite teams, I think it's a good plan! 

JSF, I like it when you talk Republican.  And, I'll take your logic one step further and ask the following provocative question: Should Title IX continue to be enforced on the assumption that equal percentages of male and female students desire to participate in intercollegiate athletics?   
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Posted: 5/18/2011 11:26 PM
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Kinda the opposite of sports drafts in which the worst teams get the top picks.  Here the worst performers get the salt.


As much as i love the idea of rewarding the top teams every year, this does create the potential of a WAC (football wise) scenario, where there are 2 or maybe 3 elite teams, and the rest are left in the dust.


As long as OHIO is one of those elite teams, I think it's a good plan! 

JSF, I like it when you talk Republican.  And, I'll take your logic one step further and ask the following provocative question: Should Title IX continue to be enforced on the assumption that equal percentages of male and female students desire to participate in intercollegiate athletics?   


The question to your question is whether that's the assumption. I don't think it is. It's an inelegant way of imposing equal opportunity, and I would rather have it or not. I am very open to an alternative to Title IX, but there has to be some way of ensuring that opportunity exists. I do think it's used as a scapegoat much more than it truly deserves blame.

We also have to consider whether we've reached the endgame of what Title IX was trying to accomplish. Whether or not people like it, I think we can agree it was a forward-thinking idea, and there are precious few of those coming out of our government.
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Last Edited: 5/19/2011 8:29:40 AM by JSF
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Posted: 5/19/2011 10:40 AM
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Posted: 5/19/2011 4:08 PM
The folks over at the Miami board are asking if the conference has enough money to make it worth a school's while to actually change scheduling. It's a legitimate question.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 4:24 PM
I agree that's a good question.  That's why I posted earlier that this is a step in the right direction but certainly not a panacea for what ails basketball in this league. 
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Posted: 5/19/2011 4:46 PM
You have to WANT to be good. Any of you that run a business or own one. Do you spend more money to get better or spend less?
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Posted: 5/19/2011 9:10 PM
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The folks over at the Miami board are asking if the conference has enough money to make it worth a school's while to actually change scheduling. It's a legitimate question.
It is a good question.  The best thing that could happen would be to accrue a couple extra win shares over the next few years to bump up the coffers.
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Posted: 5/19/2011 10:23 PM
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Do you spend more money to get better or spend less?


Well, the answer depends on the situation.
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