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Posted: 11/17/2015 10:08 AM
Well, if last night is any indication it looks like it might be an "all hands on deck" approach to the PG position when Simmons is on the bench for a rest. At one point, Simmons and Dartis were out and Gollon handled the ball. I could even see Setty bringing it up if need be in a crisis.

If there's ever a point where Simmons and Dartis are both resting, the goal simply has to be break pressure and get the ball into the offense. No need to try and beat a guy off the dribble 90 feet from the hoop. Gollon, Setty and I believe Laster broke a press last night just by passing it. Gotta love that.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 11:40 AM
This brings up a good problem for Saul. We currently have 11 players who are seeing the court as Saul tries to see what he has. This will likely get pared down to 8 or 9. Really tough call on who isn't going to see the court much.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 11:50 AM
I love his energy, but I'll just say this how I see it: the less Treg handles the ball, the better.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 11:50 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
This brings up a good problem for Saul. We currently have 11 players who are seeing the court as Saul tries to see what he has. This will likely get pared down to 8 or 9. Really tough call on who isn't going to see the court much.
It might be better just to keep the rotation of 10-11. Any night someone could find a groove.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 12:20 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
This brings up a good problem for Saul. We currently have 11 players who are seeing the court as Saul tries to see what he has. This will likely get pared down to 8 or 9. Really tough call on who isn't going to see the court much.
It might be better just to keep the rotation of 10-11. Any night someone could find a groove.

I'm in agreement here until the 8 or 9 really show to be noticeably ahead of the 10th and 11th guys.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 12:54 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
This brings up a good problem for Saul. We currently have 11 players who are seeing the court as Saul tries to see what he has. This will likely get pared down to 8 or 9. Really tough call on who isn't going to see the court much.
It might be better just to keep the rotation of 10-11. Any night someone could find a groove.
Agree. We might not see an 8 or 9 man rotation this season.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 2:03 PM
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I love his energy, but I'll just say this how I see it: the less Treg handles the ball, the better.
Normally I agree, but if Dartis and Simmons are on the bench, it's gonna have to PG by committee with a combination of Gollon, Setty, Laster and whomever else we can find.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 3:07 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I love his energy, but I'll just say this how I see it: the less Treg handles the ball, the better.
Normally I agree, but if Dartis and Simmons are on the bench, it's gonna have to PG by committee with a combination of Gollon, Setty, Laster and whomever else we can find.
If we're down to Treg Setty bringing the ball up the floor to break a press, we're in a bad situation. If it comes down to that, it's Drew Crabtree time.
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Posted: 11/17/2015 11:39 PM
I'll say the first guy kicked off the bus (rotation) is Harley. He's getting the token start right now, but despite showing improvement I think he loses the limited minutes he's getting as season progresses.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 2:17 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Agree. We might not see an 8 or 9 man rotation this season.
Maybe but it's really tough to get any kind of rhythm with more than that.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 7:18 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I'll say the first guy kicked off the bus (rotation) is Harley. He's getting the token start right now, but despite showing improvement I think he loses the limited minutes he's getting as season progresses.
Gonna be hard to sit a guy with his length and he's one of the only guys I've seen that can hit the mythical 15 foot jumper.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 7:44 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I'll say the first guy kicked off the bus (rotation) is Harley. He's getting the token start right now, but despite showing improvement I think he loses the limited minutes he's getting as season progresses.
Why would someone get a "token" start?
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Posted: 11/18/2015 8:30 AM
I mostly disagree with the support of a prolonged 11 man regular rotation. I have no problem if by 11 man rotation you're including 2-3 guys who just get in for one 2-3 minute series...But if we're talking 11 players all playing over 10 minutes or so, I don't like it. I think it is fine to lean more to that side early on but eventually we'll need to settle on a core group.

It already appears Dozier & Gollon won't be in the regular rotation this season. Taylor will see minutes if for no other reason than the hacking tendencies of Treg & Tony. Probably unfair but think I agree with Harley's minutes going down...I don't dislike him and could be very wrong. My way-too-early-could-certainly-change preference would be an 8 man core:

Top (play as much as possible) - Simmons, Kaminski, Campbell
Middle (mix and match usually play 20+) - Laster, Setty, Mompremier, Dartis, Block
Bottom (foul trouble, injuries, small spurts) - Harley, Taylor
Deep Bench - Dozier, Gollon

ps - I'm not sure why I ended up discussing this on a Point Guard thread.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 9:13 AM
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ps - I'm not sure why I ended up discussing this on a Point Guard thread.
That was my bad. I took a left turn with the first reply. I also agree with you on the 10-11 man rotation.

Did anyone hear anything about why Laster played so little in that game?
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Posted: 11/18/2015 9:48 AM
No idea, but I can probably guess why. Laster isn't the strongest shooter and Ohio needed some 3 balls to get back in it. Could be why.
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Posted: 11/18/2015 3:09 PM
I imagine Laster's minutes were down because Dartis and Block played so darned well.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 10:17 AM
Probably there will be some "situation" substitutions throughout the season but seriously...who was the last "good team" to play an 11 man rotation. I think you guys have been smoking something. The rotation will get down to 8 sooner or later. That's what wins.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:42 AM
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Probably there will be some "situation" substitutions throughout the season but seriously...who was the last "good team" to play an 11 man rotation. I think you guys have been smoking something. The rotation will get down to 8 sooner or later. That's what wins.
Iowa last year. VCU pretty much any year during the Shaka Smart era. Or how about Akron last year before Robotham got hurt.

It's not like all 11 have to play the same amount. I think most people expect Simmons, Kaminski, and Campbell to play as much as possible. Dartis might emerge as well, but the order of the next 7 guys could change on any given night.
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Posted: 11/20/2015 11:52 AM
I worry that the temptation to keep Simmons out there too much could wear him down over an entire season. It's one thing to claim you're going to watch his minutes, but when the other team puts up a big run and is pressing the heck out of us, do we have the discipline to keep him in that seat? You could see that conundrum playing out in David Blatt's head every playoff game last spring with LeBron James.

Not comparing Simmons to LeBron James. There's just no reasonable facsimile to Simmons on this roster, it seems like. That means I'll be interested to see if we get him enough rest.
Last Edited: 11/20/2015 11:53:23 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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