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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:29 PM
Went 0-3 in tournament with one major blowout. Their best player, Chris Fowler, is out with an injury.

The past few days haven't been very good for the MAC. What could have been another very good season for the MAC is currently being short circuit ed by the coaching meltdowns at Buffalo and BGSU along with injuries to players like Fowler.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:42 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Went 0-3 in tournament with one major blowout. Their best player, Chris Fowler, is out with an injury.

The past few days haven't been very good for the MAC. What could have been another very good season for the MAC is currently being short circuit ed by the coaching meltdowns at Buffalo and BGSU along with injuries to players like Fowler.
Coaching meltdowns? Details please. I'm always up for a good meltdown.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 5:47 PM
Good news. Hopefully it will continue.

Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Went 0-3 in tournament with one major blowout.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 2:25 PM
Not seeing how that would help the MAC or Ohio.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 2:40 PM
I wish them to lose. BINGO
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:11 PM
CMU barely squeaks by a bad team, McNeese State, 74-73, at home tonight.

I know their best player, PG Chris Fowler, is out injured, but CMU returned such a wealth of talent that I'm shaking my head at how the consensus pick to win the MAC has fallen so far so quickly.

Toast was in McGuirk tonight in McNeese gear.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:17 PM
I want the MAC to have solid shot at 2 team bids in NCAA - that is MUCH MORE LIKELY w/strong OOC opponent wins. Bingo busted...........
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Posted: 12/1/2015 8:34 AM
the MAC isn't going to have two teams... BINGO
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Posted: 12/1/2015 8:52 AM
Toast wrote:expand_more
the MAC isn't going to have two teams... BINGO
Maybe but it may hurt the MAC's seeding in the tournament. Doesn't make much sense to root against the MAC OOC. Unless, of course, you've decided to recreate yourself as a troll.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 8:53 AM
Toast wrote:expand_more
I wish them to lose. BINGO
Is this one of those "Eww I hate the whole state of Michigan..." things?
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Posted: 12/1/2015 9:16 AM
Show us where the FACTS hurt you!

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the MAC isn't going to have two teams... BINGO
Maybe but it may hurt the MAC's seeding in the tournament. Doesn't make much sense to root against the MAC OOC. Unless, of course, you've decided to recreate yourself as a troll.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 10:48 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
the MAC isn't going to have two teams... BINGO
Maybe but it may hurt the MAC's seeding in the tournament. Doesn't make much sense to root against the MAC OOC. Unless, of course, you've decided to recreate yourself as a troll.

Agreed. I even like to see Akron do well OOC. I don't actively root for them, as that's almost unnatural. But when they win and the RPI goes up, I like that.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 11:11 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
the MAC isn't going to have two teams... BINGO
Maybe but it may hurt the MAC's seeding in the tournament. Doesn't make much sense to root against the MAC OOC. Unless, of course, you've decided to recreate yourself as a troll.

Agreed. I even like to see Akron do well OOC. I don't actively root for them, as that's almost unnatural. But when they win and the RPI goes up, I like that.
I realize that I am in the minority (I usually am), but I don't root for other teams in the conference for the good of the conference. I want everyone else to be terrible. I want them humiliated at every opportunity. I have trouble rooting for someone I dislike.

It worked well for Gonzaga being in a terrible conference. If you want to increase NCAA tournament seeding, go every year and win games or beat bigger schools out of conference. It is easier to go to the dance if you are playing lesser competition. Conferences don't get seeds, teams do.

Like I said, I don't expect any of you to agree with me, but you should.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:02 PM
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I realize that I am in the minority (I usually am), but I don't root for other teams in the conference for the good of the conference. I want everyone else to be terrible. I want them humiliated at every opportunity. I have trouble rooting for someone I dislike.

It worked well for Gonzaga being in a terrible conference. If you want to increase NCAA tournament seeding, go every year and win games or beat bigger schools out of conference. It is easier to go to the dance if you are playing lesser competition. Conferences don't get seeds, teams do.

Like I said, I don't expect any of you to agree with me, but you should.
Gonzaga got good because they put an arse-load of money into their program and then won consistently outside the conference. And you sell the conference short. In the last 16 years they have put more than one team in the tournament 11 times including 3 on two occasions. Since 1999-2000 the MAC has had 16 tournament teams while Gonzaga's "terrible" conference has had 28. And Gonzaga's success (and the trickle down effect their RPI does) has had a lot to do with that. And while it would be nice if we could become the next Gonzaga we aren't putting enough money into the program to reach that level. We have to rely on the RPI of our opponents to give us any hope of getting an at-large. By losing these games you are so hoping the conference loses it dooms our at-large chances. Every win a team that we play gets increases our chances.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:12 PM
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I realize that I am in the minority (I usually am), but I don't root for other teams in the conference for the good of the conference. I want everyone else to be terrible. I want them humiliated at every opportunity. I have trouble rooting for someone I dislike.

It worked well for Gonzaga being in a terrible conference. If you want to increase NCAA tournament seeding, go every year and win games or beat bigger schools out of conference. It is easier to go to the dance if you are playing lesser competition. Conferences don't get seeds, teams do.

Like I said, I don't expect any of you to agree with me, but you should.
Gonzaga got good because they put an arse-load of money into their program and then won consistently outside the conference. And you sell the conference short. In the last 16 years they have put more than one team in the tournament 11 times including 3 on two occasions. Since 1999-2000 the MAC has had 16 tournament teams while Gonzaga's "terrible" conference has had 28. And Gonzaga's success (and the trickle down effect their RPI does) has had a lot to do with that. And while it would be nice if we could become the next Gonzaga we aren't putting enough money into the program to reach that level. We have to rely on the RPI of our opponents to give us any hope of getting an at-large. By losing these games you are so hoping the conference loses it dooms our at-large chances. Every win a team that we play gets increases our chances.

+Bingo!! If we ever want the MAC to be a 2-bid conference, and I sure as heck hope we all do, we need to see everyone do well against better competition in November and December. CMU at 3-3 right now is not good, though much of it is due to Fowler's absence.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:12 PM
I completely agree with Van on this. The remarkable thing about Gonzaga is that they have dominated a very good WCC, not a terrible conference.

So often I've seen mid majors have a good SOS in the non-conference part of their schedule, only to see that slip away as they compete against conference teams below 250.
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Posted: 12/1/2015 6:26 PM
Another key to the Zags early and to some effect presently, was having the balls to go on the road and win on Neutral and on the home courts of others.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 2:34 PM
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Another key to the Zags early and to some effect presently, was having the balls to go on the road and win on Neutral and on the home courts of others.

The "Anytime, Anywhere" approach can play dividends as long as the staff chooses those opponents wisely...i.e., not Kansas, Duke, etc. Also, I'd think it creates a bit of a mentality within the team when it works out.
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Posted: 12/2/2015 5:30 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Another key to the Zags early and to some effect presently, was having the balls to go on the road and win on Neutral and on the home courts of others.
I find it interesting that Washington and Washington State were willing to go every other year to Spokane even before Gonzaga became a name. They did a good job in getting a lot of the bigger schools on neutral sites.
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Posted: 12/4/2015 3:11 PM
CMU continued their horrid preconference slate by losing to Grand Canyon last night.
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Posted: 12/4/2015 7:20 PM
They lost to Grand Canyon last night because GC has the deepest bench of any team in the country.
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Posted: 12/5/2015 12:32 AM
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Posted: 12/5/2015 9:29 AM
Keno.....killin it. new meaning to the saying. When they get their stud back are they gonna be a transformed team?
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