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Posted: 12/29/2024 8:23 PM
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fwiw we opened the 1971-72 season by beating Muskingum 76-66. The best player on the court was Gene Ford who scored 30+ points for Muskingum. His son Geno turned into a pretty good player!
Gene Ford, a 5-10 sparkplug of a power forward. Very successful playing at Muskingum prior to a long and noteworthy coaching career at Cambridge High School.
I’d love to see Gene Ford stand at 5’10”.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:49 AM
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Unsure why I'm getting blasted (well, nm it's BTC)
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:55 AM
Is it too much to hope for 20+ mins for the freshman?
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Posted: 12/30/2024 10:09 AM
I can't be the only one a little nervous for this one. They sit at 5-5 on the year but did beat Heidelberg.

Kent State escaped a nightmare last night coming back to beat the Student Princes 84-80 after trailing the entire contest.

The Fighting Muskies are bound to be hungry for this one so I hope we come out with some intensity. Long break, small crowd, low energy is a not an ideal scenario.

Off topic: D3 mascots are awesome.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 10:12 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
fwiw we opened the 1971-72 season by beating Muskingum 76-66. The best player on the court was Gene Ford who scored 30+ points for Muskingum. His son Geno turned into a pretty good player!
Gene Ford, a 5-10 sparkplug of a power forward. Very successful playing at Muskingum prior to a long and noteworthy coaching career at Cambridge High School.
I’d love to see Gene Ford stand at 5’10”.
Played against Gene many many times in John Glenn gym during the 73 - 74 school year. He would post people up and just embarrass them. He got fouled so many times in his career that he made 539 out of 738 free throws. If he was 5'10", I'm 6'7". For someone to score 30 on a Muskingum team under Jim Burson was like scoring 50 on any other team. They ran the triple stack offense and ran it and ran it till they got a perfect shot.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 6:03 PM
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Hah. Okay then. He may have stolen her, but he immediately regretted the decision. (None of this is true, but if we're just making up narratives I'll run with it).

Unsure why I'm getting blasted (well, nm it's BTC) for advocating that we increase the distribution of our limited resources into a sport that we have a legitimate shot at competing on the national level, and have done so multiple times in our past. At 1/10th the price point.

Rather than continuing to dump sky-rocketing resources into a sport that, while it absolutely is more popular, we never have and never will compete on the national stage. Best we can hope for, in a wildly successful season, is to play in obscurity against the dregs of never-were's and never-will-be's of the world.

Oh well...so goes the conversation when there's so much hype and anticipation for mighty Muskingum!

Only because it’s what you want to be successful. If this was posted on the football board, you’d never see it unless we lost a game and you came over to gloat about a football loss. Thing is, we can do what we do in both sports! We don’t have to lose or eliminate one for the other to have success. What do you really think we gain by cutting football? You really believe that you get $5million to spend on basketball?
Correct BTC. Football is coming off three consecutive 10 or more win seasons and no league school has a better record in conference games the last four seasons. Not to mention a conference championship and twice has been at the top of the regular season standings outright or tied. Basketball can't say that.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 7:40 PM
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Rather than continuing to dump sky-rocketing resources into a sport that, while it absolutely is more popular, we never have and never will compete on the national stage. Best we can hope for, in a wildly successful season, is to play in obscurity against the dregs of never-were's and never-will-be's of the world.
Not to mention basketball is not a sport that by its nature harms its participants.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:21 PM
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Rather than continuing to dump sky-rocketing resources into a sport that, while it absolutely is more popular, we never have and never will compete on the national stage. Best we can hope for, in a wildly successful season, is to play in obscurity against the dregs of never-were's and never-will-be's of the world.
Not to mention basketball is not a sport that by its nature harms its participants.
Nice to know that basketball players don’t get hurt playing the sport.
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:25 PM
Get all 12 players to score, win by 50, and everyone stays healthy. Just what you want from a game like this.

On to MAC play now! Complete toss up with no one really looking impressive at all in the non-con
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:39 PM
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Is it too much to hope for 20+ mins for the freshman?
20 mins and a double double for Elliott. Alriiiiiight.

Also, I just checked the box score… Muskingum played 17…?… players tonight?
Last Edited: 12/30/2024 9:40:27 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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Posted: 12/30/2024 9:58 PM
Meanwhile Miami hosted our friends Defiance and set a program scoring record.
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Posted: 12/31/2024 10:04 AM
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Is it too much to hope for 20+ mins for the freshman?
20 mins and a double double for Elliott. Alriiiiiight.

Also, I just checked the box score… Muskingum played 17…?… players tonight?
Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.

As for last night, the Muskingum coach saw that the game had clearly gotten out of hand and gave his 13 to 17 players a chance to play while we were still shooting threes up 50 points. Muskingum's first 8 to 10 guys will give teams fits in the OAC with their quickness. The Bobcats just had way too much size and shot an amazing percentage from from the field.

Good crowd last night.
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Posted: 12/31/2024 11:14 AM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
Last Edited: 12/31/2024 11:21:07 AM by greencat
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Posted: 12/31/2024 11:24 AM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
Same story being told all over the country and in OHIO. Sadly, some other OHIO schools are in jeopardy.
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Posted: 12/31/2024 11:58 AM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
That was 13 years ago. Losing accreditation is a death knell. Saw nothing in the article about football scholarships.
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Posted: 12/31/2024 12:46 PM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
That was 13 years ago. Losing accreditation is a death knell. Saw nothing in the article about football scholarships.
I knew first-hand about the football chicanery. There was a school called "Martin Methodist" in TN that had a basketball roster of like 30 guys. That school has now been taken over by the University or Tennessee and is a regional state school. (With a somewhat normal roster of 15 guys)

Lambuth, likewise is now a regional campus of the the University of Memphis. (no longer has sports though)
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Posted: 12/31/2024 7:02 PM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
That was 13 years ago. Losing accreditation is a death knell. Saw nothing in the article about football scholarships.
I knew first-hand about the football chicanery. There was a school called "Martin Methodist" in TN that had a basketball roster of like 30 guys. That school has now been taken over by the University or Tennessee and is a regional state school. (With a somewhat normal roster of 15 guys)

Lambuth, likewise is now a regional campus of the the University of Memphis. (no longer has sports though)

You realize lots of small schools have 25-30 players? And nothing wrong with the football team. And athletics have zero to do with academic accreditation. All those schools have JV and varsity teams and the teams get funded by the more students they bring in and coaches get a pork chop for certain roster numbers and even get a pork chop if the player quits the team but stays in school.

Athletics helped save Hocking College and Rio has expanded their programs, and adding football.
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
That was 13 years ago. Losing accreditation is a death knell. Saw nothing in the article about football scholarships.
I knew first-hand about the football chicanery. There was a school called "Martin Methodist" in TN that had a basketball roster of like 30 guys. That school has now been taken over by the University or Tennessee and is a regional state school. (With a somewhat normal roster of 15 guys)

Lambuth, likewise is now a regional campus of the the University of Memphis. (no longer has sports though)

You realize lots of small schools have 25-30 players? And nothing wrong with the football team. And athletics have zero to do with academic accreditation. All those schools have JV and varsity teams and the teams get funded by the more students they bring in and coaches get a pork chop for certain roster numbers and even get a pork chop if the player quits the team but stays in school.

Athletics helped save Hocking College and Rio has expanded their programs, and adding football.
Rio Grande is bringing football back? I had heard some rumors that they were thinking about it, but it's now official?
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Posted: 1/2/2025 12:18 PM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
That was 13 years ago. Losing accreditation is a death knell. Saw nothing in the article about football scholarships.
I knew first-hand about the football chicanery. There was a school called "Martin Methodist" in TN that had a basketball roster of like 30 guys. That school has now been taken over by the University or Tennessee and is a regional state school. (With a somewhat normal roster of 15 guys)

Lambuth, likewise is now a regional campus of the the University of Memphis. (no longer has sports though)

You realize lots of small schools have 25-30 players? And nothing wrong with the football team. And athletics have zero to do with academic accreditation. All those schools have JV and varsity teams and the teams get funded by the more students they bring in and coaches get a pork chop for certain roster numbers and even get a pork chop if the player quits the team but stays in school.

Athletics helped save Hocking College and Rio has expanded their programs, and adding football.
Rio Grande is bringing football back? I had heard some rumors that they were thinking about it, but it's now official?
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Posted: 1/3/2025 11:33 PM
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
I've covered my thoughts on this topic several times but I find it unethical and deceitful. My son has a high school baseball teammate that has "committed" to hocking college. He has not played varsity at all thru his Junior year, and probably won't get 5 at bats his senior year. But he gets to go around and tell everyone is a college baseball player.
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Yep. For years the OAC played a freshman game before the varsity game but I'm not sure when they fazed that out. Sports are a huge driver of D 3 enrollment. Many football teams have well over 100 players and the other teams are equally as large. Unfortunately, this is one reason so many of these schools have lower graduation and first year retention rates. Kids who were "recruited" to play college ball, find out lots of others were too and when they don't get to play, they sometimes transfer to another school or in some cases don't continue their college education.
Are you familiar with the sad ending that became Lambuth University? Toward the end they were offering football guys that were not even honorable mention all-anything. (With maybe a 10% scholarship given if they arrived on campus)

https://www.chronicle.com/article/lambuth-u-struggling-wi... /
I've covered my thoughts on this topic several times but I find it unethical and deceitful. My son has a high school baseball teammate that has "committed" to hocking college. He has not played varsity at all thru his Junior year, and probably won't get 5 at bats his senior year. But he gets to go around and tell everyone is a college baseball player.


Yep, I love watching Rio “sign” basketball players who struggle to find time on their varsity team and would never have a chance to compete on the Varsity team. But it’s about getting seats in classrooms. Now on another note, Hocking has become pretty legit in the sport of Men’s basketball for a JUCO. And of course they are excellent in archery.
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