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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:32 AM
Is there where the Cats get rolling? Coach Smith able to get the lineups and rotations setup? Looking forward to hitting the Wren all weekend!
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Posted: 3/23/2014 7:47 PM
Swept, now 4-16 on the year and 0-3 in the MAC.
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Posted: 3/25/2014 9:41 PM
Has anyone seen the team play this year?  How do they look live and what is going on with the pitching & defense? Looks like opposing teams are putting up runs in bunches.
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Posted: 3/26/2014 7:52 AM
Their inability to score runs is frustrating. In a couple of games the opposing teams scored many runs but in general it is the pathetic job of scoring that is hurting the team. No batter is coming through when it really matters. The number of runners left on base is all the proof you need.
Last Edited: 3/26/2014 7:54:49 AM by SansFur
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Posted: 3/26/2014 10:54 AM
Seems to me that the constantly changing lineup is really hurting this team. The coaching staff is not giving guys a chance to get comfortable.  Players seem to be playing tense, afraid that if they aren't immediately successful they will be benched.  I've watched 6 games and haven't seen any indication that players are having fun and enjoying their experience.  I hear what seems to be "forced" chatter and cheering from the bench but it's evident that they are made to do it.  Things need to lighten up quickly or there will probably be a loss of some pretty good prospects.
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Posted: 3/26/2014 5:03 PM
I haven't seen any games, but I've heard injuries to start the season were pretty bad. I'd think it's hard for a team that has been struggling to improve if its best players can't take the field. How much have the injuries cost the team?
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Posted: 3/27/2014 3:11 PM
Catdude wrote:expand_more
Seems to me that the constantly changing lineup is really hurting this team. The coaching staff is not giving guys a chance to get comfortable. Players seem to be playing tense, afraid that if they aren't immediately successful they will be benched. I've watched 6 games and haven't seen any indication that players are having fun and enjoying their experience. I hear what seems to be "forced" chatter and cheering from the bench but it's evident that they are made to do it. Things need to lighten up quickly or there will probably be a loss of some pretty good prospects.
Sounds like complaints from three years ago.
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Posted: 3/27/2014 3:12 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I haven't seen any games, but I've heard injuries to start the season were pretty bad. I'd think it's hard for a team that has been struggling to improve if its best players can't take the field. How much have the injuries cost the team?
Well when you practice for 4 hours a night injuries will occur.
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Posted: 4/1/2014 5:01 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I haven't seen any games, but I've heard injuries to start the season were pretty bad. I'd think it's hard for a team that has been struggling to improve if its best players can't take the field. How much have the injuries cost the team?


Well when you practice for 4 hours a night injuries will occur.


That is definitely a cause for concern. With the amount of injuries, you pretty much are forced to look at the training methods.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 10:34 PM
the fact he makes them spring everywhere in practice and constantly wears their bodies down plays  huge part as well.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 8:50 AM
I cant speak for what is going on there but practicing for 4 hours is not uncommon. The previous coach had the same schedule. On Spring trips they also used to hold a full 2 hour practice before games. Complete with running bases, sprints, rundowns, infield, outfield, etc.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 9:15 PM
whocaresgobobcats wrote:expand_more
the fact he makes them spring everywhere in practice and constantly wears their bodies down plays  huge part as well.


I doubt sprinting (or springing) everywhere is the problem. These kids are division I athletes between the age of 18-22, if they can't run a little they shouldn't be on the team. This team doesn't hit, pitch, or field the ball well. Kinda hard to win games that way.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 2:26 AM
bodies need to time rest and recover. that type of practice doesnt work. probably why other, successful teams dont do it.

pitchers going all out on PFPs, bunt D, etc etc get worn down and then go throw a pen. they are already tired and have to compensate which leads to injuries. 

same with position players. worn down by practice and compensate when throwing/hitting = injuries
Last Edited: 4/4/2014 2:27:57 AM by whocaresgobobcats
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Posted: 4/4/2014 1:28 PM
With all the season ending injuries, something is going on!
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:04 PM
Interesting you say that. Do you have any proof that successful programs don't sprint and go full go during practice? Probably not. If you don't practice how you play, how will you play when it is time to go full go?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:34 PM
Carboner wrote:expand_more
Interesting you say that. Do you have any proof that successful programs don't sprint and go full go during practice? Probably not. If you don't practice how you play, how will you play when it is time to go full go?
But do these programs practice how to sprint out of the dugout after SAC Bunts? That's overkill.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 12:11 PM
Most of our season ending injuries are throwing related.  Shoulders can only take so much.  Seems that pitcher's arms are always protected but how about the outfielders and infielders that make hundreds of throws a practice x how many practices during the year?  Our practices are LONG, INTENSE and DEMANDING!   I've seen a few.  No fun being had, that's for sure.  Players are continually driven physically and mentally for the entire practice session.  Injuries and burnouts are bound to happen, even to the most conditioned and dedicated players. 
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Posted: 4/5/2014 1:21 PM
You're totally right. Let these kids roll out the baseball, emphasize FUN rather than hard work, and make your players sit around all practice. HMMMM sounds like a familiar practice setting to the Carbone era. I want you to do yourself a favor. Watch an Ohio Baseball practice, take notes on how many throws guys make, how many sprints they do, etc. Then go to another program's practice. I guarantee you will see no difference in the amount of reps they are taking.
Last Edited: 4/5/2014 1:22:26 PM by Carboner
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Posted: 4/5/2014 1:46 PM
This isn't about Carbone or Smith, it's a matter of actually trying to adjust. If a coach is in denial that a long summer of just practicing and then doing intense drills all fall and before games isn't having a negative effect, that's wrong. Just look at the standings, and look at the players out.

The reason many were against Carbone towards the end of his career is he never evolved. He was an old school coach stuck in his ways. Hopefully new school coach Smith isn't set in his ways either, or we are going down the same path. Ohio baseball is an absolute embarrassment right now. The only hope this weekend is more rain today and tomorrow to avoid Kent State.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 6:05 PM
Donuts wrote:expand_more
This isn't about Carbone or Smith, it's a matter of actually trying to adjust. If a coach is in denial that a long summer of just practicing and then doing intense drills all fall and before games isn't having a negative effect, that's wrong. Just look at the standings, and look at the players out.

The reason many were against Carbone towards the end of his career is he never evolved. He was an old school coach stuck in his ways. Hopefully new school coach Smith isn't set in his ways either, or we are going down the same path. Ohio baseball is an absolute embarrassment right now. The only hope this weekend is more rain today and tomorrow to avoid Kent State.
Carboner, get a clue! This program is not run the way the best programs in the MAC is run nor the better programs in the country are run. To think otherwise is being in denial. Donuts is right, the stress and stuff on these kids is NOT working. Practicing all summer with NO PLAY is not working either.

Please defend that asinine practice as NO OTHER SCHOOL HAS that practice, please tell me how that has worked so far?????

Oh by the way, we went behind the woodshed again today!
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Posted: 4/5/2014 8:33 PM

Please defend that asinine practice as NO OTHER SCHOOL HAS that practice, please tell me how that has worked so far?????

This by far shows that  you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what you are talking about! I played D1 ball and our practices were tough . From what I have read their practices seem pretty standard. Have you been around to other D1 practices? You do realize that it takes some time to rebuild a program correct? I don't know Smith personally but he was at Purdue and at Creighton...I am sure he is incorporating what they did there...which were D1 SCHOOLS
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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:40 PM
Based on updates like this it sounds like there are alot of issues:

Oh boy. Wells loses a fly ball in the sun (in deep right), and it lands for a two-run triple. KSU now leads 3-0

2-on, 2-out, 3-0 count...and Jake Madsen gets the green light. Fly ball to medium center.

Game 2 underway at the Wren. KSU leads 1-0 after a dropped flyball leads to a sac fly.

Oh those 'free bases.' Passed ball, then a groundout, helps Flashes push across another run. KSU leads OU, 4-1, B6
Last Edited: 4/5/2014 9:41:58 PM by bobcat28
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Posted: 4/5/2014 9:48 PM
It is obvious to me that you practice hard and when a player says he is feeling pain he's done for the day. What the hell is so difficult with that?
So the solution with regard to injuries is listen to your players and if they say they are feeling pain they sit for the day.
I think coach smith is pushing too hard because he is a 2nd year coach with a dismal record.

Here is an observation...
You're down 11 to 1 and in the first game of a double header. Why leave your "3rd string" catcher in to play 18 innings in a day? Knowing statistically that you have no way of winning (based on the teams inability to score) why not put in the other catcher and let the starter rest for the second game?
Last Edited: 4/5/2014 10:02:35 PM by SansFur
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:11 PM
bobcat28 wrote:expand_more
Based on updates like this it sounds like there are alot of issues:

Oh boy. Wells loses a fly ball in the sun (in deep right), and it lands for a two-run triple. KSU now leads 3-0

2-on, 2-out, 3-0 count...and Jake Madsen gets the green light. Fly ball to medium center.

Game 2 underway at the Wren. KSU leads 1-0 after a dropped flyball leads to a sac fly.

Oh those 'free bases.' Passed ball, then a groundout, helps Flashes push across another run. KSU leads OU, 4-1, B6


I read those tweets too, and I felt so badly for Arkley that he had to sit there and watch that.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 10:22 PM
Maybe BobbyBobCat can teach us lay-people about the game today, and how all this quality practice is paying off! Sometimes you have to remember and reduce the game to what it is, a game.
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