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Topic:  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 9:40:02 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
Tall and thin coming in. hopefully he’s more sean carlson than nate springs.


I get the Nate Springs. But Sean Carlson?? Why?? Because he had a beer or twenty with you?

And I think it was cc-cat who saw Springs in person in a high school game. If I remember right, he wasn't sure why Saul offered him a scholarship.


How do you think Sean put on the pounds? The reference was because he was thin when he got on campus but did fill out and contributed for 4 years. Plus I was familiar with both. Springs being from Charlotte and Carlson being on campus when we were there.

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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 10:02:54 PM 
"contributed for 4 years" is being a bit generous, no?
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 10:04:37 PM 
I think we have two scholarships available. Earlier counts included Clayton if I'm not mistaken.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 10:49:41 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I think we have two scholarships available. Earlier counts included Clayton if I'm not mistaken.


If you look at the recruiting lists on here-there are 12 players listed including Clayton, it looks like we have only 1 left as of today.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 11:09:44 PM 
But schools will be allowed to carry extra scholarships next year....if they can afford it.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 11:19:07 PM 
Just looked at the BA recruiting chart, and I count 11 scholarships. So, that means we have two available scholarships I think.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/29/2021 11:20:00 PM 
bobcatsquared wrote:
"contributed for 4 years" is being a bit generous, no?


He averaged 5 and 4 freshman year and then was a steady contributor to the Crazy Cat after game party. He gave solid minutes all 4 years and was not over powered. Good minutes behind Cole, Alexander and Devereaux. Nice having that kind depth up front

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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 1:10:06 AM 
OU_Country wrote:
I give you credit for your consistency FlashGary. :)



Thanks, OU Country. Competent bigs make things so much easier at both ends of the floor. They can cover up mistakes on defense and alter the way teams attack you, as well as diversify how you can attack them. Add one of these guys to our three-point shooters...the potential is endless!
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 8:40:47 AM 

Jeff McKinney wrote:
Just looked at the BA recruiting chart, and I count 11 scholarships. So, that means we have two available scholarships I think. 

I think this grid is right. Wilson doesn't count towards 13 limit.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPage=1&ForumPID=4&PID=84835#FirstNew

Current Depth Chart

Positions Seniors
class of '22
Juniors
class of '23
Sophomores
class of '24

Freshmen
class of '25

Recruits/Redshirts
class of '26

Frontcourt           
Centers Wilson  
Foster
Granger  
Power forwards  
Vander Plas
 
Clayton
Towns
 
Wings          
Small forwards      Roderick     
Off-guards    
Brown
McDay

White

 
Ball handlers           
Point guards   Preston   Sears  
Total this year 0 2 4 5 0
Total next year   2 4 5 0
 


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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 9:37:54 AM 
Nobody ever wants to see a young man enter their program, not feel success and then have to uproot. We cannot celebrate that. At the same time, from a purely basketball point of view, this has worked out perfectly for JB. Sounds like those guys knew exactly where they stood and I give JB kudos for that which is not always easy to do as a leader. Now the million dollar question is how do you use those two available chips? That's where being a great talent evaluator is huge. We as fans, or at least this fan, cannot project what say a Foster/Granger/Towns/White will develop into moving forward because right now I say we better have a back up plan for Wilson as I don't see one, but maybe JB does in who we have. I'd also love to address the athletic, slashing, rim protecting big issue. Again, JB will have to address whether Towns can solve any part of that puzzle moving forward as he looked totally lost when given the opportunity to play this season. In fact, while Towns looked the part and McMurray didn't, I preferred Mason in those PT decisions at this point in time. In regards to Clayton, from watching just 3-4 minutes of the video, again I thought how important it was to have a good talent evaluator as I couldn't discern anything from that as it was low level hoops, where he was the biggest/most skilled guy on the court and he appeared to be playing at 60% effort with no fundamentals. How does that project moving forward? Another stretch BVP type? But certainly you can't see him doing anything to help next year I wouldn't think? With an upper class like we have apparently ready to have a big year next year, I've got to first explore the "just add water" transfer option to see if I could find a gamechanger to put next year on steroids, then again I'm sure everyone is looking for that. A proven athletic big would be what I would order if it were that easy. But yes, I'd play to win now with at least one of those spots, if not both. Then with the second spot, I'd go best available with a preference on a 4 year guy and again--slashing, athletic big if I could be picky. But I emphasize, I'm thrilled JB has 2 spots available to play with and this is where coaches separate themselves in making these roster decisions and making those choices consistently well.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:25:28 AM 
Maybe we can get a real count from Boles the next time he’s on the radio

Last Edited: 3/30/2021 10:26:41 AM by colobobcat66

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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:42:03 AM 
Chicken George wrote:
Nobody ever wants to see a young man enter their program, not feel success and then have to uproot. We cannot celebrate that. At the same time, from a purely basketball point of view, this has worked out perfectly for JB. Sounds like those guys knew exactly where they stood and I give JB kudos for that which is not always easy to do as a leader. Now the million dollar question is how do you use those two available chips? That's where being a great talent evaluator is huge. We as fans, or at least this fan, cannot project what say a Foster/Granger/Towns/White will develop into moving forward because right now I say we better have a back up plan for Wilson as I don't see one, but maybe JB does in who we have. I'd also love to address the athletic, slashing, rim protecting big issue. Again, JB will have to address whether Towns can solve any part of that puzzle moving forward as he looked totally lost when given the opportunity to play this season. In fact, while Towns looked the part and McMurray didn't, I preferred Mason in those PT decisions at this point in time. In regards to Clayton, from watching just 3-4 minutes of the video, again I thought how important it was to have a good talent evaluator as I couldn't discern anything from that as it was low level hoops, where he was the biggest/most skilled guy on the court and he appeared to be playing at 60% effort with no fundamentals. How does that project moving forward? Another stretch BVP type? But certainly you can't see him doing anything to help next year I wouldn't think? With an upper class like we have apparently ready to have a big year next year, I've got to first explore the "just add water" transfer option to see if I could find a gamechanger to put next year on steroids, then again I'm sure everyone is looking for that. A proven athletic big would be what I would order if it were that easy. But yes, I'd play to win now with at least one of those spots, if not both. Then with the second spot, I'd go best available with a preference on a 4 year guy and again--slashing, athletic big if I could be picky. But I emphasize, I'm thrilled JB has 2 spots available to play with and this is where coaches separate themselves in making these roster decisions and making those choices consistently well.


Enjoyed your post CG. As we all know, Jeff will also need to manage the expectations of the remaining players and anticipate how anyone added will fit in with those expectations and the culture he’s established. To me that’s just as important as getting someone who is marginally better than someone else who might be available. Probably more so. From what little I know and observation from afar, Jeff strikes me as a coach who would handle this very well.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:50:56 AM 
These two guys have open offers from us. Big, physical, athletic wing forward types and both seemingly under-recruited.

Chrishawn Christmas
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10506862/5fe3532ea023891b5ca...

Chris Grubbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVY2kTL5XA0

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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:57:28 AM 
Chicken George wrote:
In regards to Clayton, from watching just 3-4 minutes of the video, again I thought how important it was to have a good talent evaluator as I couldn't discern anything from that as it was low level hoops, where he was the biggest/most skilled guy on the court and he appeared to be playing at 60% effort with no fundamentals. How does that project moving forward? Another stretch BVP type? But certainly you can't see him doing anything to help next year I wouldn't think?


I feel the same but I'm guessing our coaching staff has seen him play for his AAU team, Ohio-All Red.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 11:16:24 AM 
shabamon wrote:
These two guys have open offers from us. Big, physical, athletic wing forward types and both seemingly under-recruited.

Chrishawn Christmas
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10506862/5fe3532ea023891b5ca...

Chris Grubbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVY2kTL5XA0


These two look like they could contribute. "open offers?" Do you know why they don't show up on the BA recruiting page? I'd like to know more.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 11:33:15 AM 
GroverBall wrote:
shabamon wrote:
These two guys have open offers from us. Big, physical, athletic wing forward types and both seemingly under-recruited.

Chrishawn Christmas
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10506862/5fe3532ea023891b5ca...

Chris Grubbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVY2kTL5XA0


These two look like they could contribute. "open offers?" Do you know why they don't show up on the BA recruiting page? I'd like to know more.


I go to verbalcommits.com for basketball recruiting updates and our own basketball recruiting forum for discussion.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 12:38:24 PM 
FlashGary wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I give you credit for your consistency FlashGary. :)



Thanks, OU Country. Competent bigs make things so much easier at both ends of the floor. They can cover up mistakes on defense and alter the way teams attack you, as well as diversify how you can attack them. Add one of these guys to our three-point shooters...the potential is endless!


I agree and disagree. I will always think good guards and wings are more important that bigs. But this team currently has that in spades, so finding one guy that can be a factor in the paint with defense and rebounding would make this group better.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 1:44:26 PM 
This past year, we swapped out Springs for Wilson (it got us to a next level) If we can swap out one of the transfers for a Wilson type player and contributor - that's my want.

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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 2:20:36 PM 
Miguel and McMurray averaged a whopping 7.3 (in 13 games) and 4.6 (in 19 games) minutes per game last season. I think we need to temper our expectations a bit for what exactly we're going to be able to get. A good grad transfer with some skills is most likely going to expect more playing time.

There are simply not enough minutes to go around, unless someone in the regular rotation transfers.
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  Message Not Read  RE: (At least) One scholarship to work with. How should we use it?
   Posted: 3/30/2021 2:51:15 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
FlashGary wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
I give you credit for your consistency FlashGary. :)



Thanks, OU Country. Competent bigs make things so much easier at both ends of the floor. They can cover up mistakes on defense and alter the way teams attack you, as well as diversify how you can attack them. Add one of these guys to our three-point shooters...the potential is endless!



I agree that a rim protector would help. Someone like Ogbonda but with better offensive skills. I don't think we give Ves enough credit.



I'd take Ogbonda on this team and the contributions he gave last year right now without hesitation. And I wouldn't change a thing about his game.

(OK, so a player very much like that with his skillset)
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   Posted: 3/30/2021 5:59:49 PM 
shabamon wrote:


Chrishawn Christmas
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/10506862/5fe3532ea023891b5ca...



Unfortunately he has an offer from unanimously agreed upon national power DePaul.
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   Posted: 3/30/2021 7:57:50 PM 
Cleveburg Bri wrote:
I'm hoping for Matt Nunez from Hargrave, reclassifying for this year.


https://twitter.com/Virginiavenombb/status/13770153767400...
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   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:01:03 PM 
DePaul ain't a national power. I don't think they were even in the NCAA tourney his year. I doubt they've even been to the lelite eight.
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   Posted: 3/30/2021 10:15:47 PM 
ohio9704 wrote:
Diamond Cat wrote:
Has anyone seen Clayton play? I have not so I am only asking to get some perspective.

If we get someone to compliment Wilson, look out. We need someone who can check a player like Jefferson from Creighton.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUOGeOl2cy4

varsity game starts about 1:57 in.


I know it's one game that I'm watching but have to echo the sentiment that he's still 2+ years away from really impacting the program. Slow in transition and doesn't like to be physical - hopefully these things can be corrected by hitting the weight room and being more confident in his play

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