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We won an NCAA tournament and he should still come back. I thought he needed to have two great games to get back into 2nd round discussion. JP was average/good against Virginia (average by JP standards) and he was never in it against Creighton. I thought Preston really struggled to get to his spots, both against UVA and Creighton. Both had athletic bigs that did a very job hedging on the pick and roll and pushing Preston wide as he came around the pick. Thought he really had a lot of trouble turning the corner and getting into the lane as the lead ball handler. It seemed to work a bit better when he was off ball when Sears came in late vs. Creighton. I suspect scouts saw that and have enough questions that there's no chance he's anything but a 2nd round pick, and given that 2nd rounders almost never end up with guaranteed years, he should stick around. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,115 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 11:16:59 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: FearLeon wrote: In a weird way, I think this was the best possible case scenario for us to have Preston return. We won an NCAA tournament and he should still come back. I thought he needed to have two great games to get back into 2nd round discussion. JP was average/good against Virginia (average by JP standards) and he was never in it against Creighton. I thought Preston really struggled to get to his spots, both against UVA and Creighton. Both had athletic bigs that did a very job hedging on the pick and roll and pushing Preston wide as he came around the pick. Thought he really had a lot of trouble turning the corner and getting into the lane as the lead ball handler. It seemed to work a bit better when he was off ball when Sears came in late vs. Creighton. I suspect scouts saw that and have enough questions that there's no chance he's anything but a 2nd round pick, and given that 2nd rounders almost never end up with guaranteed years, he should stick around. 100% agree. Can't remember in the NCAA Tournament one drive in the lane with his patented floater. That was my biggest disappointment. He couldn't shake the double-teams from 35 feet away and get to the rim. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 11:23:33 AM  shabamon wrote: Hate to hang a gray cloud on today, but I just realized our last five MAC tournament championship years occurred with the majority of the core players as non-seniors. We've had better outcomes in the "setup" years as opposed to the most anticipated years. You just brought back flashbacks of Andy Katz' "Ohio Has IT" article. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 11:36:44 AM  shabamon wrote: Hate to hang a gray cloud on today, but I just realized our last five MAC tournament championship years occurred with the majority of the core players as non-seniors. We've had better outcomes in the "setup" years as opposed to the most anticipated years. I think it's really important for our fanbase to be realistic about what our program is and what success means. After the Sweet 16 run, we had people here insisting that meant we were one of the top 16 teams in the country and anything less the following year was a failure. It's very hard to win the MAC and win NCAA tournament games. Progress for our program is about being a top 3 team in the MAC year in and year out. It means that every freshman class of recruits should have the expectation of playing in the NCAA tournament at least once, and that we should be in the mix to make that happen. I think the 'Gonzaga of the midwest' talk, and expectations that because we won this year, we have to do so next year miss the point a bit. For Jeff Boals, success isn't defined as taking advantage of Jason Preston's talent. It's defined as bringing in a long line of Jason Prestons and teams poised to have similar success. That task becomes a little easier if you do take advantage of Preston next season, but it's not the task in and of itself. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,229 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 11:44:28 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to hang a gray cloud on today, but I just realized our last five MAC tournament championship years occurred with the majority of the core players as non-seniors. We've had better outcomes in the "setup" years as opposed to the most anticipated years. I think it's really important for our fanbase to be realistic about what our program is and what success means. After the Sweet 16 run, we had people here insisting that meant we were one of the top 16 teams in the country and anything less the following year was a failure. It's very hard to win the MAC and win NCAA tournament games. Progress for our program is about being a top 3 team in the MAC year in and year out. It means that every freshman class of recruits should have the expectation of playing in the NCAA tournament at least once, and that we should be in the mix to make that happen. I think the 'Gonzaga of the midwest' talk, and expectations that because we won this year, we have to do so next year miss the point a bit. For Jeff Boals, success isn't defined as taking advantage of Jason Preston's talent. It's defined as bringing in a long line of Jason Prestons and teams poised to have similar success. That task becomes a little easier if you do take advantage of Preston next season, but it's not the task in and of itself. If this team returns in tact (doubtful) or adds a great player after some defections, I would expect nothing less than a MAC title. What we had in year 1 of the Christian season was an abomination of a MAC title game. That group should never have lost by 30 in the MAC title game. They were basically done playing for JC and for some reason, lost the spark Groce had instilled. Boals will keep this team's razor sharpened all offseason and into the season so my expectations will remain high. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 11:50:54 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: If this team returns in tact (doubtful) or adds a great player after some defections, I would expect nothing less than a MAC title. What we had in year 1 of the Christian season was an abomination of a MAC title game. That group should never have lost by 30 in the MAC title game. They were basically done playing for JC and for some reason, lost the spark Groce had instilled. Boals will keep this team's razor sharpened all offseason and into the season so my expectations will remain high. One man's 'lost the spark' and 'gave up on the coach' is another man's shot 1 for 20 from three. Maybe 'a spark' causes that, I don't know. But bad luck also causes it, as we saw last night when we shot 7 of 30 from three and 31% from the field. Those games happen, and when they happen in single elimination tournaments and you're in a single bid league, perspective is important. If the expectation we put on coaches is that we go to the NCAA or else it's a failure, then they're going to keep taking jobs where going to the NCAA tournament is easier because of resources and multiple bids. If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Last Edited: 3/23/2021 12:00:17 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top Old Zone General User Member Since: 2/28/2005 Location: Rocky River, OH Post Count: 246 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 12:51:08 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Unfortunately the one-and-done nature of the MAC makes each year a sprint when it's MAC tourney time. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,115 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 1:12:52 PM  Really liking the insight from everyone on this thread. Mods....what do you think of pinning this until practice rolls around in the fall? #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 2:00:05 PM  Old Zone wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Unfortunately the one-and-done nature of the MAC makes each year a sprint when it's MAC tourney time. I'm not sure I understand. The marathon/sprint metaphor I used applies to our expectations. We get to choose how we weight each season. So, the MAC tournament may be a sprint, but that doesn't matter if we view Boals' objectives as winning a marathon. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,910 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 2:35:28 PM  Old Zone wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Unfortunately the one-and-done nature of the MAC makes each year a sprint when it's MAC tourney time. Generally yes, but over time if the program is built up, and a combination of wins (think 25-27+) with a tough schedule and there's no reason to think the MAC can't get a 2nd bid sometime in the near future. Buffalo was pretty close in 2018-2019 and I have a feeling they would have been in even if they didn't win the MAC tournament. Back to Top oldkatz General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Post Count: 1,421 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 2:44:38 PM  IceCat76 wrote: 100%Cat wrote: Good thoughts here. I agree with a lot of it. It's the transfer era and I can't imagine we lose nobody, I just hope the core starters stay and run this thing back. I'm also expecting a jump in Granger. There's no questioning the guy's motor and effort, he just needs to learn to play defense without fouling and play with a little more control. I try not to crap on any of these kids by name. Lord knows what people would have said about my game years ago. But every time Granger comes into the game I can only think of Bucky Rumpke. Hah!!! Bucky Rumpke would come in to score the last basket (maybe) at the end of winning games and then beat everyone, including the bartenders, back to the Red Room! (I asked him about that at one of the alumni games and he just said that he had a secret tunnel.) "All my inside sources tell me I have no inside sources." Salvatore "money bucks" Mafiosiano. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,155 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 3:56:25 PM  Longer term, I’m hoping Sears stays here. He’s a player Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 1,876 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 5:11:24 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Old Zone wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Unfortunately the one-and-done nature of the MAC makes each year a sprint when it's MAC tourney time. Generally yes, but over time if the program is built up, and a combination of wins (think 25-27+) with a tough schedule and there's no reason to think the MAC can't get a 2nd bid sometime in the near future. Buffalo was pretty close in 2018-2019 and I have a feeling they would have been in even if they didn't win the MAC tournament. Yeah, that would not have a remotely difficult decision for the committee. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 5:25:27 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: shabamon wrote: Hate to hang a gray cloud on today, but I just realized our last five MAC tournament championship years occurred with the majority of the core players as non-seniors. We've had better outcomes in the "setup" years as opposed to the most anticipated years. I think it's really important for our fanbase to be realistic about what our program is and what success means. After the Sweet 16 run, we had people here insisting that meant we were one of the top 16 teams in the country and anything less the following year was a failure. It's very hard to win the MAC and win NCAA tournament games. Progress for our program is about being a top 3 team in the MAC year in and year out. It means that every freshman class of recruits should have the expectation of playing in the NCAA tournament at least once, and that we should be in the mix to make that happen. I think the 'Gonzaga of the midwest' talk, and expectations that because we won this year, we have to do so next year miss the point a bit. For Jeff Boals, success isn't defined as taking advantage of Jason Preston's talent. It's defined as bringing in a long line of Jason Prestons and teams poised to have similar success. That task becomes a little easier if you do take advantage of Preston next season, but it's not the task in and of itself. Coach Boals is probably the only person that could possibly make the "Gonzaga of the Midwest" thing happen. Sure, I was being a little optimistic. However, it is not out of the realm of possibility; an alum with a proven track record of recruiting at a place like Ohio State with a game day coaching acumen that is necessary for success. It can be done, especially in the era we are currently find ourselves with college basketball. The days of the blue blood programs keeping star players for four years is somewhat a thing of the past. Last Edited: 3/23/2021 5:26:17 PM by cbus cat fan Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 1,876 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 6:34:47 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Old Zone wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: [QUOTE=Bobcat1998] If we want a coach to build something here, they've got to have realistic expectations and the latitude to fall short sometimes. It's a marathon not a sprint. Unfortunately the one-and-done nature of the MAC makes each year a sprint when it's MAC tourney time. I'm not sure I understand. The marathon/sprint metaphor I used applies to our expectations. We get to choose how we weight each season. So, the MAC tournament may be a sprint, but that doesn't matter if we view Boals' objectives as winning a marathon. A lot of my family went to Ohio. I knew a lot of this program growing up but didn't pay consistent attention until I enrolled in the early 90s. Since then we have won the tournament numerous times while winning only one outright conference title. To me, a one and done tournament requires a lot of luck to come out on top. Literally, every single time in the last 30 years that we have done it we did it with a young team that would have been on the very shot list of MAC favorites the following year even if it had not won the tournament. It seems like the early, and possibly someone lucky, success in the tournament has often not helped the following season for various reason such as coaches leaving or players transferring. Winning regular season titles consistently is the Marathon. Advancing in tournament games requires you to be both lucky and good. I'd rather see 23-27 win seasons constantly than NCAA tournament wins every few years after finish in the upper division of the MAC. I loved the run at the end of the season but the former is more difficult to achieve and more impressive. Back to Top NashvilleKat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Nashville, TN Post Count: 90 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 6:47:27 PM  Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Ask the Toledo Rockets fans, how they feel about winning the league, winning over 20 games in a shortened season, and not going to the NCAA Tournament for 40 years. Back to Top SVAC83 General User Member Since: 10/1/2019 Post Count: 143 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 7:20:28 PM  I think the MAC is a very respectable league. usually in the top 10 every year in basketball. I think if the league could make a push to get all of its teams to toughen their schedules the MAC could consistently be more then a 1 bid league. Schools should be limited to playing only 1 non d-1 school per season. and limit the schools that you play that was worse then 300th the previous year. You would begin to have NET's and strength of schedules tho give you argument to be more then 1 bid league. Thinking of a Gonzaga of the Midwest is not what i would look at my question is What would be wrong with being a Butler, a Dayton, wichita State a Richmond. Really almost where Buffalo is headed maybe a little higher. I think thinking you could build a program that could constantly be a threat to be in top 25 and on the edge of a at large bid every year if not a solid one can be built here. And if you can build that here then your only looking at money as a reason to believe. And i think if you build that kind of program you will get some teams to play you home and home then you have some crowds then you have some money to keep your coach. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 8:18:15 PM  SVAC83 wrote: I think the MAC is a very respectable league. usually in the top 10 every year in basketball. I think if the league could make a push to get all of its teams to toughen their schedules the MAC could consistently be more then a 1 bid league. Schools should be limited to playing only 1 non d-1 school per season. and limit the schools that you play that was worse then 300th the previous year. You would begin to have NET's and strength of schedules tho give you argument to be more then 1 bid league. Thinking of a Gonzaga of the Midwest is not what i would look at my question is What would be wrong with being a Butler, a Dayton, wichita State a Richmond. Really almost where Buffalo is headed maybe a little higher. I think thinking you could build a program that could constantly be a threat to be in top 25 and on the edge of a at large bid every year if not a solid one can be built here. And if you can build that here then your only looking at money as a reason to believe. And i think if you build that kind of program you will get some teams to play you home and home then you have some crowds then you have some money to keep your coach. "like button" never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 8:41:04 PM  SVAC83 wrote: I think the MAC is a very respectable league. usually in the top 10 every year in basketball. I think if the league could make a push to get all of its teams to toughen their schedules the MAC could consistently be more then a 1 bid league. Schools should be limited to playing only 1 non d-1 school per season. and limit the schools that you play that was worse then 300th the previous year. You would begin to have NET's and strength of schedules tho give you argument to be more then 1 bid league. Thinking of a Gonzaga of the Midwest is not what i would look at my question is What would be wrong with being a Butler, a Dayton, wichita State a Richmond. Really almost where Buffalo is headed maybe a little higher. I think thinking you could build a program that could constantly be a threat to be in top 25 and on the edge of a at large bid every year if not a solid one can be built here. And if you can build that here then your only looking at money as a reason to believe. And i think if you build that kind of program you will get some teams to play you home and home then you have some crowds then you have some money to keep your coach. I think there are a couple of hurdles that are specific to Ohio that makes it a little bit tougher for us to take the same sort of step up that Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, Loyola, VCU, Richmond, etc have all taken. Even Buffalo is in a better position. Athens is a tiny market, and we're a clear step behind OSU, Dayton, Xavier, and UC in the state basketball pecking order. All of the above schools were attractive options to jump a level up conference-wise because they brought with them bigger markets. They may not be the top draw in those markets, but there's a lot of eyeballs, and wallets, to fight for. We're always going to be in a tough spot because of that. Not saying it's an insurmountable challenge. But I don't think it's coincidence that so many of the mid-majors who have made a jump are in mid-tier cities like Spokane, Omaha, Richmond, or Wichita. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,454 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 9:30:20 PM  NashvilleKat wrote: Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Ask the Toledo Rockets fans, how they feel about winning the league, winning over 20 games in a shortened season, and not going to the NCAA Tournament for 40 years. Why ask Toledo? Just ask OHIO football fans what that feels like. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/23/2021 10:12:05 PM  Good thread. Lots of good thoughts and interesting questions. 1. To IceCat, I'm not particularly concerned about Ohio picking up the $ on a single extra scholarship next season... We may not be a MAJOR, but we've got a big enough Men's Hoops budget that that is a small % of our budget... Heck... Our NCAA tournament win alone gives all the MAC schools extra $. Great to know the MAC has 3-straight years of wins! 2. Jason Preston is proof that if you are good enough in this day and age you don't need to transfer to a high-major program to get NBA hype. The NBA scouts know who Jason is and are watching. Jaaron transferred and rode the bench the entire season. The fact of the matter is that the NBA has the data analytics to find great mid-major players and scout them appropriately. The only thing Major programs offer is potentially better competition, but the MAC has proven itself to be strong so with a good preseason schedule and (hopefully) another tournament berth we will see plenty of good opponents next year! I think as long as the chemistry between the team and Boals is good the star players will stick around. 3. I don't think we necessarily need a rim-protector... I'd hope for more guys who can drill 3's! I do hope Dwight Wilson returns. 0% chance we would've made this run if he hadn't been eligible this season. Pretty crazy to think we didn't know he would be able to play until a couple days before the first game this fall... I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top bobcat 2000 General User Member Since: 1/21/2006 Post Count: 182 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/24/2021 6:52:45 AM  The one and done nature of the mac is why ou needs to Be in a different conference. Big east , American or even conference USA would be good for them. They could compete well enough where they wouldn't always have to win conference tourney to get in NCAA tourney. Too bad the acc requires too much travel and ou hasn't the athletic budget for that. Over the years ou has done good against acc teams. Wins over Georgia tech and Virginia as well as beating North Carolina years ago shows that. Also they were a missed free throw away from beating North Carolina in the 2012 NCAA tourney. Even so the acc is a pipe dream. Still another conference would be good Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,102 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/24/2021 9:37:11 AM  bobcat 2000 wrote: They could compete well enough where they wouldn't always have to win conference tourney to get in NCAA tourney. Tell that to Depaul and Boston College. bobcat 2000 wrote: Too bad the acc requires too much travel and ou hasn't the athletic budget for that. Have you seen how disparate the American and Big East schools are? Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/24/2021 9:58:03 AM  Upon reading the thoughts of this thread, a lot of ideas are spot on. Where does our recruiting continue to go? If we return everybody, do we up our non-league games? Are schools afraid of scheduling us knowing who we are and what we got coming back? Those challenges happen all the time at a mid-major. For me this year, watch who we schedule in the non-league that are not P5's and Big East. If we're getting contenders from other leagues, that will not only get us better for March, but that will allow for some margin of error. At the end of the day, we need to root for the other 11 schools in non-league play. Win more non-league games, stronger RPI and SOS. Lose more of those games, then Thursday-Saturday are life or death, no matter what school you are. We have all seen 27-3 mid-majors get left out because the rest of the league doesn't step up. We need some wins next year from the other 11, along with us winning our games. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,894 Status: Offline     RE: A Look Ahead To 2021-2022    Posted: 3/24/2021 11:05:46 AM  BVP and Wilson are good MAC players but neither plays above the rim. We missed shots in the lane because big athletic players caused issues. Couldn’t score over them and couldn’t defend them. We need good bigs...who doesn’t. 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