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Redskins to the west make the article as well. https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/04/01/students-officials-l... / Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 9:52:36 AM  longtiimelurker wrote: Really interesting story here. George Washington student majority says that "Colonials" is offensive. Redskins to the west make the article as well. https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/04/01/students-officials-l... / $10 someone in the next 10 years advocates for a change to the Bobcats name because PETA told them to. Not only that, another $10 that it actually gets 40% of a vote. Stupid kids. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,152 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 10:51:38 AM  That's funny, I was just reading an article about the push a few years ago to drop EMU to 1AA football and leave the MAC for all other sports. I'm not sure if that's still the case, given two bowl appearances in the last three years. One of the things they mention is EMU's change from Hurons to Eagles 30 years ago, and how it left some fans and alumni bitter. https://www.hustlebelt.com/2016/4/26/11474824/eastern-mic... We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 11:02:09 AM  Pataskala wrote: That's funny, I was just reading an article about the push a few years ago to drop EMU to 1AA football and leave the MAC for all other sports. I'm not sure if that's still the case, given two bowl appearances in the last three years. One of the things they mention is EMU's change from Hurons to Eagles 30 years ago, and how it left some fans and alumni bitter. https://www.hustlebelt.com/2016/4/26/11474824/eastern-mic... My dad went to Lehigh in the 1940's. At that time the were pretty much engineering only. Hence the teams were the Engineers. Over the years they expanded their degree offerings,but kept the team name. Then a few years ago they decided,even though they remained primarily an engineering school,that,to reflect the school's educational diversity,to change the team names to Mountain Hawks. Bitter doesn't begin to describe how the Alumni felt. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,820 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 2:13:16 PM  My wife has both her undergrad and graduate degree from Lehigh - Neither in engineering. She had no issue with the name change, nor did most of her college friends - guess it matters who you know and what your major was. Ohio Communicators. I'd be goods with that - but then it really wouldn't convey what the university offers and is about to so many students. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,022 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 2:38:28 PM  longtiimelurker wrote: Really interesting story here. George Washington student majority says that "Colonials" is offensive. Redskins to the west make the article as well. https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/04/01/students-officials-l... / So if they are so offended, considering that the vast majority had ancestors who were colonists, maybe they should just return from whence their respective families came. This whole "I'm offended" routine is getting tiring even for a moderate registered Democrat. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 3:36:22 PM  Alan Swank wrote: longtiimelurker wrote: Really interesting story here. George Washington student majority says that "Colonials" is offensive. Redskins to the west make the article as well. https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/04/01/students-officials-l... / So if they are so offended, considering that the vast majority had ancestors who were colonists, maybe they should just return from whence their respective families came. This whole "I'm offended" routine is getting tiring even for a moderate registered Democrat. +1 I'll bet a majority of the students who are offended don't even understand the meaning, at the time, of Colonial. Do they understand that "we" (Americans) were not the colonial power but that we were the colonies. To be a Colonial was not to be a colonizer. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,042 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 3:38:30 PM  Alan Swank wrote: longtiimelurker wrote: Really interesting story here. George Washington student majority says that "Colonials" is offensive. Redskins to the west make the article as well. https://www.gwhatchet.com/2019/04/01/students-officials-l... / So if they are so offended, considering that the vast majority had ancestors who were colonists, maybe they should just return from whence their respective families came. This whole "I'm offended" routine is getting tiring even for a moderate registered Democrat. Agree. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 4:23:25 PM  I'd say we're down to Cleveland and Washington being the actually offensive names left in pro and college sports. After that you're down to the high school level and...I really don't care at that point. I figure Cleveland will be the Tribe in short order. And Dan Snyder has to die eventually. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 4:51:08 PM  Brian Smith wrote: I'd say we're down to Cleveland and Washington being the actually offensive names left in pro and college sports. After that you're down to the high school level and...I really don't care at that point. I figure Cleveland will be the Tribe in short order. And Dan Snyder has to die eventually. If it isn't already, "Tribe" will probably be deemed offensive in 5-10 more years so they'll have to change that too. Last Edited: 4/3/2019 4:51:25 PM by OU_Country Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:02:20 PM  I honestly don't understand why anybody pays attention to anything 18-22 year olds say. So many of these crises around college campuses seem like they could be avoiding by just reminding ourselves that 18-22 year olds are young and dumb and not only do their ideas tend to be bad, but that they themselves will recognize as much in a matter of years. Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,084 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:12:05 PM  As this applies to sports, it was interesting to hear Geno Auriemma's comments yesterday about this generation. He mentioned that coaches are afraid of being too difficult, as students are quick to go on social media or elsewhere and cry bullying and that the players are very quick to be offended and transfer. While I'm not a big fan of the man, I do believe he is correct to a point. Tough coaches are now seen as mean coaches. The two are not necessarily synonymous. I can't wait for the Patriots (that's not offensive, is it?) to have a young player whose parents claim that Bill Belichick is too mean to their child. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:20:42 PM  OU_Country wrote: Brian Smith wrote: I'd say we're down to Cleveland and Washington being the actually offensive names left in pro and college sports. After that you're down to the high school level and...I really don't care at that point. I figure Cleveland will be the Tribe in short order. And Dan Snyder has to die eventually. If it isn't already, "Tribe" will probably be deemed offensive in 5-10 more years so they'll have to change that too. One is terribly racist. The other is a unit of measurement. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:25:24 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: I honestly don't understand why anybody pays attention to anything 18-22 year olds say. So many of these crises around college campuses seem like they could be avoiding by just reminding ourselves that 18-22 year olds are young and dumb and not only do their ideas tend to be bad, but that they themselves will recognize as much in a matter of years. I wonder why no current OU students participate on this board. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:28:24 PM  Brian Smith wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: I honestly don't understand why anybody pays attention to anything 18-22 year olds say. So many of these crises around college campuses seem like they could be avoiding by just reminding ourselves that 18-22 year olds are young and dumb and not only do their ideas tend to be bad, but that they themselves will recognize as much in a matter of years. I wonder why no current OU students participate on this board. Because they're too busy having fun/bad ideas. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:53:29 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: I honestly don't understand why anybody pays attention to anything 18-22 year olds say. So many of these crises around college campuses seem like they could be avoiding by just reminding ourselves that 18-22 year olds are young and dumb and not only do their ideas tend to be bad, but that they themselves will recognize as much in a matter of years. For once, you and I agree on something. I'm off to go see if hell has indeed frozen over :) Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 5:57:21 PM  Brian Smith wrote: One is terribly racist. The other is a unit of measurement. I fail to see how the word "Indians" is "terribly racist". I view that about the same as Colonials. There's no positive or negative connotation presented. I'll buy that there is at least an argument around Redskins. Never thought of it poorly as Miami's nickname, and, were it up to me, I wouldn't change it for the team in DC. But I can see that being worthy of discussion. Indians, though? I don't see the pejorative. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,280 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 6:13:23 PM  catfan28 wrote: Brian Smith wrote: One is terribly racist. The other is a unit of measurement. I fail to see how the word "Indians" is "terribly racist". I view that about the same as Colonials. There's no positive or negative connotation presented. I'll buy that there is at least an argument around Redskins. Never thought of it poorly as Miami's nickname, and, were it up to me, I wouldn't change it for the team in DC. But I can see that being worthy of discussion. Indians, though? I don't see the pejorative. Just spitballing, but if I were a Native American I doubt I'd be all that fond of a name bestowed on me by the same group of people that carried out a genocide against my people. I don't know that I'd necessarily describe it as "terribly racist" or even a prejorative, but I think when you kill pretty much the entirety of an ethnic group, you gotta understand that that re-contextualizes some things for the folks that are still around. If nothing else, I think it's probably just the wise move to defer to their judgment about what they're offended by. Last Edited: 4/3/2019 6:16:14 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 8:45:12 PM  Brian Smith wrote: I'd say we're down to Cleveland and Washington being the actually offensive names left in pro and college sports. After that you're down to the high school level and...I really don't care at that point. Too funny-when I first read this, I thought “what’s so offensive about being named after Paul Brown?” Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 9:50:18 PM  I think we ought rename Lake Erie, Lake Iroquois in honor of the victors in the Erie-Iroquois wars of the mid 1600s, when very few white men were around to witness the slaughter. The Iroquois were much better warriors and as a result the Erie tribe became nearly extinct. Perhaps, this is why Cleveland sports team are so bad, they live near a lake named after a bunch of losers. The Mistake-on-the-Lake is really the Mistaken-Name-Lake. And, the Cleveland Indians should be the Iroquois Warriors! Let's start picking winner names! To hell with political correctness. The actual genocidal maniacs in this story were the Seneca tribe, part of the Iroquois Confederation. Here's a brief summary of the war: "An one time, the Erie were part of the Iroquois confederacy. They were closely related to the Seneca nation who lived to the north and east. That's what makes it so hard for us in our culture to understand why one tribe so closely related to another tribe would be driven to genocide, as happened to the Eries at the hand of the Seneca. A study of the sociology of this culture is what it takes to understand the mindset of this Native American culture. The Iroquois strongly believed that anyone who did not follow certain ethics of the race are criminals and should be exterminated. This was mindset that lead to the annihilation of the Erie Indians." Full Article here: https://hubpages.com/education/What-Ever-Happened-to-the-... Last Edited: 4/3/2019 10:00:21 PM by OhioCatFan The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/3/2019 10:05:23 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: I honestly don't understand why anybody pays attention to anything 18-22 year olds say. So many of these crises around college campuses seem like they could be avoiding by just reminding ourselves that 18-22 year olds are young and dumb and not only do their ideas tend to be bad, but that they themselves will recognize as much in a matter of years. +1 When I was an undergraduate, taking Philosophy 101, I remember Professor Robert Wieman making the same point, right to our faces. He was correct. Nobody took much offense to it then. Today, I'm not so sure many professors would utter such thoughts openly in class. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/4/2019 6:52:07 AM  cc-cat wrote: My wife has both her undergrad and graduate degree from Lehigh - Neither in engineering. She had no issue with the name change, nor did most of her college friends - guess it matters who you know and what your major was. Ohio Communicators. I'd be goods with that - but then it really wouldn't convey what the university offers and is about to so many students. I guess it comes down to when you went there. You said your wife went to Lehigh. Until 1971-1972 Lehigh was all male. I graduated high school around that time,and Lehigh was one of the schools I applied to. I remember going there for a visit.All the buzz was about the school going co-ed. There seemed to be both excitement and dread on the part of the students. My dad, and the people he went to school with,did not share in the "excitement". My dad and his friends got over their objections to the school going co-ed. The mascot change. He still refers to the teams as the engineers. I guess Purdue will be next. Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/4/2019 8:45:29 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: I think we ought rename Lake Erie, Lake Iroquois in honor of the victors in the Erie-Iroquois wars of the mid 1600s, when very few white men were around to witness the slaughter. The Iroquois were much better warriors and as a result the Erie tribe became nearly extinct. Perhaps, this is why Cleveland sports team are so bad, they live near a lake named after a bunch of losers. The Mistake-on-the-Lake is really the Mistaken-Name-Lake. And, the Cleveland Indians should be the Iroquois Warriors! Let's start picking winner names! To hell with political correctness. The actual genocidal maniacs in this story were the Seneca tribe, part of the Iroquois Confederation. Here's a brief summary of the war: "An one time, the Erie were part of the Iroquois confederacy. They were closely related to the Seneca nation who lived to the north and east. That's what makes it so hard for us in our culture to understand why one tribe so closely related to another tribe would be driven to genocide, as happened to the Eries at the hand of the Seneca. A study of the sociology of this culture is what it takes to understand the mindset of this Native American culture. The Iroquois strongly believed that anyone who did not follow certain ethics of the race are criminals and should be exterminated. This was mindset that lead to the annihilation of the Erie Indians." Full Article here: https://hubpages.com/education/What-Ever-Happened-to-the-... Thanks for posting this. I have read many similar stories. I don't get the concept that the very word "Indians" is "terribly racist." What about the word "Ohio" or "Tennessee" or "Michigan" or on and on and on. Back to Top ShoreCat General User Member Since: 3/10/2011 Location: Avon Lake, OH Post Count: 207 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/4/2019 9:10:23 AM  I was offended when we changed our logo from the paw to the attack cat since I had just gotten a tattoo of the paw. I was pissed for years but finally came around to the attack cat. No tattoo though. And I find that at age 47, I'm still just as capable of making stupid decisions as I was at 22, although I like to think I make dumb decisions less and and less. Then again, I am driving a Hyundai Accent hatchback, so I can't be that bright right now. As a Cleveland Indians fan, it's long overdue that Chief Wahoo is gone. But lets be real. Dolan made that decision because he was ordered to by MLB and Cleveland wouldn't have gotten the all-star game this year if he hadn't. Eventually, the name Indians will be gone too. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,503 Status: Offline     RE: More Mascot Change    Posted: 4/4/2019 9:46:59 AM  BayCat wrote: I was offended when we changed our logo from the paw to the attack cat since I had just gotten a tattoo of the paw. I was pissed for years but finally came around to the attack cat. No tattoo though. And I find that at age 47, I'm still just as capable of making stupid decisions as I was at 22, although I like to think I make dumb decisions less and and less. Then again, I am driving a Hyundai Accent hatchback, so I can't be that bright right now. As a Cleveland Indians fan, it's long overdue that Chief Wahoo is gone. But lets be real. Dolan made that decision because he was ordered to by MLB and Cleveland wouldn't have gotten the all-star game this year if he hadn't. Eventually, the name Indians will be gone too. I was partial to the paw too. But I also liked the "cartoon cat". I'm glad O.U. came to their senses and brought them both back. I understand getting rid of Chief Wahoo. But they had on an Indians' game Monday. The "c" on the batting helmet looks weird. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 55 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 295 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 293 Guests 2 Registered Users:   CoachPMac, GoCats105 There are no other users looking at this page.

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