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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/8/2019 10:20:27 PM 
OUVan wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


I usually agree with most things you post but not this. As I've said many times I think the talent is fine but he keeps trotting TK out there as his main ball handler and that's something I just can't understand. Combined that with the year of Bean and Jaaron's second year and I don't trust Saul to be able to get his players to play the game the way he wants it played. A stable, steady decline is not the kind of stability I want to see. I'll root for him if he gets rehired but I think it's time to go another direction.


Just curious, have you watched our last few games? TK is no longer Saul's main ball handler. Preston has the keys and the minutes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/8/2019 11:25:36 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Jeff I agree. Me thinks there are two "boot Saul" camps. One didn't like him / wanted Jeff Boals or someone else. The second haven't been to all the home games, in the convo on other days ( practice is open), or at the coaches shows. You have and I have. Saul has a good program culture, players get good grades, they GRADUATE, they don't have to worry when their next court date is. YES wins are important and I see them coming. As for empty seats in the Convo the AD needs to look in the mirror. Several bone head ideas in the ticket office / Bobcat club - can't find anyone to talk to that isn't a student. Game day experience. Well in you are a Bobcat club member you have a pass to park in the lot behind the Convo. Get to the game 1 hour early and no place to park. Why - well OUPD empties the lot under the CONVO for security, they drive out back and park. Then Parking services will not require the lots to be emptied before the games. I could go on. However the bottom line the AD needs to STAND UP to parking services and Chief Fife. Security IS important but the AD and OUPD need to make sure it happens but isn't so "in you face".

Last Edited: 3/8/2019 11:34:25 PM by left lane, hammer down

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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 12:05:51 AM 
left lane, hammer down wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Jeff I agree. Me thinks there are two "boot Saul" camps. One didn't like him / wanted Jeff Boals or someone else. The second haven't been to all the home games, in the convo on other days ( practice is open), or at the coaches shows. You have and I have. Saul has a good program culture, players get good grades, they GRADUATE, they don't have to worry when their next court date is. YES wins are important and I see them coming. As for empty seats in the Convo the AD needs to look in the mirror. Several bone head ideas in the ticket office / Bobcat club - can't find anyone to talk to that isn't a student. Game day experience. Well in you are a Bobcat club member you have a pass to park in the lot behind the Convo. Get to the game 1 hour early and no place to park. Why - well OUPD empties the lot under the CONVO for security, they drive out back and park. Then Parking services will not require the lots to be emptied before the games. I could go on. However the bottom line the AD needs to STAND UP to parking services and Chief Fife. Security IS important but the AD and OUPD need to make sure it happens but isn't so "in you face".



1. You might want to add another category. Those of us who like Coach Phillips (and former Coach Billy Hahn for that matter) would love to have a beer with him, but think he doesn't know how to recruit or make real game time adjustments against talented teams.

2. Do you or your apologists have any answers as to why Coach Nee turned us around in year three? Believe me the cupboard was more bare than when Coach Phillips arrived. Also what about other great MAC coaches like the late Coach Majerus who had a horrible team when he arrived and went 29-3 his second year? What about the late Coach Charlie Coles who had a gym/auditorium that looked straight out of the East German architecture planning commission circa 1965, a school that elevated hockey way over basketball and yet with only a modicum of talent did far better with less than Coach Phillips.

3. Simon Cowell on the first year of American Idol was pretty ruthless with contestants with little talent. I later read that he wasn't ridiculing them to be a jerk and pick on the weak. Actually, it was quite the opposite. He said there were far too many people in life--especially show business who spent way too much of their own time and money on something that would never work out for them. Sometimes contestants would yell back at him saying--my mom thinks I sing great and Uncle Vic said the same and he's the Hungry Heifer Karaoke champ three years running. Besides that sweet cousin Meldehide--my high school drama teacher thinks I am great too. Cowell would retort, your mother, Uncle Vic and Sweet Cousin Meldehide have been lying to you and I am the only one who will tell you truth. This just isn't for you. There are plenty of other areas in life in which you will succeed--this just isn't one of them.

Coach Phillips may one day succeed after becoming an assistant or taking a year off as did Coach Solich to see what went wrong. Sadly, this isn't working and no matter how many nice talks you have heard and motivating practices you have witnessed--it isn't working. Left Lane Hammer Down, I can't tell you how many high school coaching clinics I went to when I was coaching where the supposed hot shot coach with some new offense or gadget defense was out of coaching a few years later after wooing far too many coaches into believing he was the next big thing. Coach Phillips is a good man whom I hope succeeds in his next stop. This stop just didn't work.

Last Edited: 3/9/2019 12:09:21 AM by cbus cat fan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 12:06:12 AM 
left lane, hammer down wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Jeff I agree. Me thinks there are two "boot Saul" camps. One didn't like him / wanted Jeff Boals or someone else. The second haven't been to all the home games, in the convo on other days ( practice is open), or at the coaches shows. You have and I have. Saul has a good program culture, players get good grades, they GRADUATE, they don't have to worry when their next court date is. YES wins are important and I see them coming. As for empty seats in the Convo the AD needs to look in the mirror. Several bone head ideas in the ticket office / Bobcat club - can't find anyone to talk to that isn't a student. Game day experience. Well in you are a Bobcat club member you have a pass to park in the lot behind the Convo. Get to the game 1 hour early and no place to park. Why - well OUPD empties the lot under the CONVO for security, they drive out back and park. Then Parking services will not require the lots to be emptied before the games. I could go on. However the bottom line the AD needs to STAND UP to parking services and Chief Fife. Security IS important but the AD and OUPD need to make sure it happens but isn't so "in you face".



When I read the first post in this thread I figured it was a joke.

Once I made it to this post I was 100% certain.

You all can't seriously be supportive of keeping Saul, and you sure as heck can't have the perspective that the (a?) top issue with filling the convo is a feud with parking services.

This thread is insane.

Last Edited: 3/9/2019 12:07:21 AM by roar-room

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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 12:15:19 AM 
roar-room wrote:
left lane, hammer down wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Jeff I agree. Me thinks there are two "boot Saul" camps. One didn't like him / wanted Jeff Boals or someone else. The second haven't been to all the home games, in the convo on other days ( practice is open), or at the coaches shows. You have and I have. Saul has a good program culture, players get good grades, they GRADUATE, they don't have to worry when their next court date is. YES wins are important and I see them coming. As for empty seats in the Convo the AD needs to look in the mirror. Several bone head ideas in the ticket office / Bobcat club - can't find anyone to talk to that isn't a student. Game day experience. Well in you are a Bobcat club member you have a pass to park in the lot behind the Convo. Get to the game 1 hour early and no place to park. Why - well OUPD empties the lot under the CONVO for security, they drive out back and park. Then Parking services will not require the lots to be emptied before the games. I could go on. However the bottom line the AD needs to STAND UP to parking services and Chief Fife. Security IS important but the AD and OUPD need to make sure it happens but isn't so "in you face".



When I read the first post in this thread I figured it was a joke.

Once I made it to this post I was 100% certain.

You all can't seriously be supportive of keeping Saul, and you sure as heck can't have the perspective that the (a?) top issue with filling the convo is a feud with parking services.

This thread is insane.



+1 Well said Roar-Room. If it wasn't so sad, this thread would almost be funny. We were once the envy of other MAC message board. The folks from Buffalo and Akron must think someone drove over from Oxford and slipped these two something in their drinks that made them go loopy. How depressing!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 8:43:10 AM 
Biggest indication of how far this program has dropped?

Not one post after last night's win stating that Ohio is the team no MAC team wants to face in Cleveland.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 8:53:45 AM 
Although no one does.. :)
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 9:15:24 AM 
brucecuth wrote:
I would not agree that recruiting is on an uptrend. Although McDay looks promising, Wight did not have one other D-1 offer. It's pretty clear he's a project. Look at the Culver kid a couple years ago, transferred out to a Juco for one year, and I can find no record of him moving back to a D-1 program. Gareri transferred to a D-3 program. Zach Butler left for a Juco. We are bringing in too many "wish-and-hope" type kids who won't have meaningful impact and, as it turns out, nobody else wants. If that's Saul's philosophy, then it requires a staff that's really good at player development. I am certainly not sold on this staff in that regard.


Say we do retain Saul. How long a contract will he want? A single additional year means it will again be difficult for him to recruit. Multi-year? That would appear, based on what we've seen, to be as big a risk as bringing in someone new.


+1

We’ve seen a really good week or so of Bobocat basketball recently. That’s fantastic, and thank you coach and players for not completely laying down as the season winds down.

But do we just forget about the past two months? Do we forget about the entire SaulBall run? Do we forget about the clearly-visible lack of ability to recruit the depth of talent needed to be a MAC title contender? We’re now supposed to think SaulBall deserves another multi-year commitment from the university?

No.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 9:19:30 AM 
BobcatPride wrote:
brucecuth wrote:
I would not agree that recruiting is on an uptrend. Although McDay looks promising, Wight did not have one other D-1 offer. It's pretty clear he's a project. Look at the Culver kid a couple years ago, transferred out to a Juco for one year, and I can find no record of him moving back to a D-1 program. Gareri transferred to a D-3 program. Zach Butler left for a Juco. We are bringing in too many "wish-and-hope" type kids who won't have meaningful impact and, as it turns out, nobody else wants. If that's Saul's philosophy, then it requires a staff that's really good at player development. I am certainly not sold on this staff in that regard.


Say we do retain Saul. How long a contract will he want? A single additional year means it will again be difficult for him to recruit. Multi-year? That would appear, based on what we've seen, to be as big a risk as bringing in someone new.


+1

We’ve seen a really good week or so of Bobocat basketball recently. That’s fantastic, and thank you coach and players for not completely laying down as the season winds down.

But do we just forget about the past two months? Do we forget about the entire SaulBall run? Do we forget about the clearly-visible lack of ability to recruit the depth of talent needed to be a MAC title contender? We’re now supposed to think SaulBall deserves another multi-year commitment from the university?

No.


Crazy that people still feel he deserves a contract extension...my god. Five years=0 results. Time for the Saulaholics to realize he'll either be an assistant at Wisconsin next year, coaching at Stony Brook or being the head man at Nicolet Area Technical College (google it) . It's over. How many of his recruits left and can't even play at the D3 level? Anyone have an EDoz sighting recently? Saul badly underestimated the talent needed to win in this league.

Last Edited: 3/9/2019 9:30:53 AM by FearLeon


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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 10:10:44 AM 
My Friday Night was a huge success simply due to that "feeling" of My Alma Mater kicking Miami's A$$. That "feeling" is hard to describe. It makes me leave my wife and kids for meaningless games and distracts me at work. It makes the winter short as I, once again, leave my wife and kids for that 3-4 day love fest in Cleveland known as the MAC Tournament. It's hard to describe that "feeling." I feel it during football games and some baseball games. That said, nothing brings it on like OHIO Hoops. I roll down 32 to Athens hoping to hang with the boys at the Cat's Eye and head back in time for a day or two. Oh yeah - we also WIN.

Problem: I don't have that "feeling" much anymore. I see the product on the floor and I want to believe we have a shot but, if I'm honest with myself, we did not before the season started. It's like my beloved Dolphins. Before the season even starts I ask myself - "Can we beat the stuck up New England Patriots?" Nope. Thus, I know it's time for Fantasy Football.

Even as I passed 50, I still had the "feeling" until the last couple of years. I want to get that back ASAP. It's tough to say but I think it's time for change. I am not so sure that doesn't mean the AD as well. WIN games, get back to the being the premiere PROGRAM in the MAC and improve the experience and atmosphere in the Roundhouse on Richland. That's it.

Do this and the "feeling" comes back quickly.

Just my 2 cents.

PS: Guards! Guards! Guards! Cooper, Kellogg, Simmons, Dartis, Green, Allen, Ford, Freeman, etc. That should be the start to recruiting.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 10:27:56 AM 
I'm pretty certain Phillips won't be back. A few weeks ago, I'd have agreed completely with that. I don't think the team's recent success will have any factor in changing his fate but it has changed my mind some. I do think Saul has had terrible luck with injuries in his time here, and that is a much bigger factor in the team's lack of winning than a lot of people are admitting. I think the Bobcats would have won a championship a few years back if Campbell didn't get hurt. I think if Dartis and Gollon were healthy this year, Ohio would have been much better. Still not a realistic championship contender but probably above .500 in the MAC. I also have to put some blame on Phillips that there wasn't the depth needed to prevent such a big drop-off because of the injuries. He clearly didn't bring in enough shooting. At the same time, it has taken some time, but I think the team has adjusted to the identity it has developed to make it the best it can be, which has been very impressive. I think Saul has done a lot of good things, but he's failed at a few, and those things combined with bad luck have sealed his fate.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 11:40:41 AM 
cbus cat fan wrote:

3. Simon Cowell on the first year of American Idol was pretty ruthless with contestants with little talent. I later read that he wasn't ridiculing them to be a jerk and pick on the weak. Actually, it was quite the opposite. He said there were far too many people in life--especially show business who spent way too much of their own time and money on something that would never work out for them. Sometimes contestants would yell back at him saying--my mom thinks I sing great and Uncle Vic said the same and he's the Hungry Heifer Karaoke champ three years running. Besides that sweet cousin Meldehide--my high school drama teacher thinks I am great too. Cowell would retort, your mother, Uncle Vic and Sweet Cousin Meldehide have been lying to you and I am the only one who will tell you truth. This just isn't for you. There are plenty of other areas in life in which you will succeed--this just isn't one of them.

Coach Phillips may one day succeed after becoming an assistant or taking a year off as did Coach Solich to see what went wrong. Sadly, this isn't working and no matter how many nice talks you have heard and motivating practices you have witnessed--it isn't working. Left Lane Hammer Down, I can't tell you how many high school coaching clinics I went to when I was coaching where the supposed hot shot coach with some new offense or gadget defense was out of coaching a few years later after wooing far too many coaches into believing he was the next big thing. Coach Phillips is a good man whom I hope succeeds in his next stop. This stop just didn't work.


Comparing Saul to a failed American Idol contestant is unfair don't you think? Without question he's an excellent basketball coach otherwise he wouldn't have made it this far in his career. This is however Division 1 basketball in a Top 10 conference where you don't get a free pass from results on the court. When Schaus hired Saul they both mutually said they believed it was the top job in the MAC. It hasn't been Ohio over the last 5 years its been Buffalo.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 11:46:37 AM 
I am sure that the University could find a place for Saul, if he, in fact, wanted to stay at Ohio, take a huge cut in salary, and do something other than coaching basketball. Unfortunately, he has failed as a coach in terms of wins and losses, and it sounds like the product that he is putting out there is not putting butts in the seats. Sports programs are about generating interest among Alumni and potential students for the purpose of increasing the bottom line. Like it or not, Universities are not "Ivory Towers," but businesses. Unless Saul is personally responsible for funneling huge sums of money to Ohio University, he is gone. It is nothing personal, this is simply the kind of business he decided to willingly enter into. After all, with a high salary comes risks, and you better produce, if, in fact, you want to keep getting paid.

I don't feel pity for Saul. After all, he has a great opportunity to learn a valuable lesson here. If he does, there is no reason why he can't become successful elsewhere. If not, this will be his last big payday as a coach. He had his chance. He rolled the dice, and he lost. Time to cash in what chips he has left, and find another game. Period. Bye.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Retain Coach Phillips
   Posted: 3/9/2019 12:06:13 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Earlier today I received an e-mail from a guy with whom I would on occasion go to Ohio Bobcat games. He went on a tirade about Jeff not caring about what he was suppose to uphold. I will spare you the colorful language, but to say he was mad was putting it mildly.



If this guy was so mad at me, I wonder why he didn't have the balls to contact me directly?

I knew what I posted would be unpopular. I've been reading the message board closely all season and I anticipated what the responses would be.

Check my original post and you'll see that I didn't say Coach Coach Phillips should be rehired because "he's a nice guy."
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   Posted: 3/9/2019 12:14:06 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:


I don't feel pity for Saul.


I don't either. The man completed his contract and walks away with $2,500,000-$3,000,000 dollars. After taxes that's somewhere close to $1.8-$2 million in his pocket I'm guessing. We should all be so lucky. Like I said awhile ago, he'll never see that money again most likely moving forward as a head coach. He's a "nice guy" though and now a "richer nice guy". #NextCoachUp

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   Posted: 3/9/2019 1:32:59 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:

3. Simon Cowell on the first year of American Idol was pretty ruthless with contestants with little talent. I later read that he wasn't ridiculing them to be a jerk and pick on the weak. Actually, it was quite the opposite. He said there were far too many people in life--especially show business who spent way too much of their own time and money on something that would never work out for them. Sometimes contestants would yell back at him saying--my mom thinks I sing great and Uncle Vic said the same and he's the Hungry Heifer Karaoke champ three years running. Besides that sweet cousin Meldehide--my high school drama teacher thinks I am great too. Cowell would retort, your mother, Uncle Vic and Sweet Cousin Meldehide have been lying to you and I am the only one who will tell you truth. This just isn't for you. There are plenty of other areas in life in which you will succeed--this just isn't one of them.

Coach Phillips may one day succeed after becoming an assistant or taking a year off as did Coach Solich to see what went wrong. Sadly, this isn't working and no matter how many nice talks you have heard and motivating practices you have witnessed--it isn't working. Left Lane Hammer Down, I can't tell you how many high school coaching clinics I went to when I was coaching where the supposed hot shot coach with some new offense or gadget defense was out of coaching a few years later after wooing far too many coaches into believing he was the next big thing. Coach Phillips is a good man whom I hope succeeds in his next stop. This stop just didn't work.


Comparing Saul to a failed American Idol contestant is unfair don't you think? Without question he's an excellent basketball coach otherwise he wouldn't have made it this far in his career. This is however Division 1 basketball in a Top 10 conference where you don't get a free pass from results on the court. When Schaus hired Saul they both mutually said they believed it was the top job in the MAC. It hasn't been Ohio over the last 5 years its been Buffalo.


Jeff McKinney wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Earlier today I received an e-mail from a guy with whom I would on occasion go to Ohio Bobcat games. He went on a tirade about Jeff not caring about what he was suppose to uphold. I will spare you the colorful language, but to say he was mad was putting it mildly.



If this guy was so mad at me, I wonder why he didn't have the balls to contact me directly?

I knew what I posted would be unpopular. I've been reading the message board closely all season and I anticipated what the responses would be.

Check my original post and you'll see that I didn't say Coach Coach Phillips should be rehired because "he's a nice guy."


Uncle Wes and Jeff. First off Uncle Wes, I think you may be missing the point about what I said in regard to the American Idol Analogy. It wasn't meant to be derogatory, just stating an obvious fact. Being a great Singer, Coach, CEO etc is a very unique skill set. Talk about the 1%, more like the one tenth of 1%. I just haven't seen Coach Phillips have the requisite skill set to be in that rarefied air of successful Division I coaches.

Jeff, I have no idea why he didn't contact you. I don't know him that well and I don't even know if he posts here or not. He went on to say that there have been meetings or overtures through third parties with Mr. Schaus about the current state of the program. I have no reason to believe he would be lying, but I am only in Athens for games and really don't have any inside info in what is going on with boosters and any influence they may or may not have with the university's administration.

Honestly, Jeff I just have to ask you about this. I could be wrong but didn't you mention in some post sometime ago on the football side of the board that you would be in favor of leaving Division I? What I am getting at here is do you still have the fire to see us compete at a high end in Division I football and basketball or is it in your mind a bridge too far? I once was a very fanatical baseball fan in my youth, but while I follow it I am not really to concerned about front office decisions that the Ohio teams make like I was in the past. Maybe that will happen again, but maybe the thrill of the chase for baseball has left me. Do you feel as excited about Bobcat hoops as you once did, say in the Danny Nee era? I am just trying to understand why you are anyone else would think Coach Phillips deserves an extension, which is why I asked did you think Coach Hahn needed to be given more time? I am just trying to understand where you and a few others are coming from because I am at a complete loss. As I have said ad nauseum, Coach Phillips is a good man and probably a good coach. However, he is not a great coach and that is a prerequisite trait needed to be a successful Division I coach. Thank you for all you do in moderating this board!

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   Posted: 3/9/2019 1:48:42 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Maddog13 wrote:


I don't feel pity for Saul.


I don't either. The man completed his contract and walks away with $2,500,000-$3,000,000 dollars. After taxes that's somewhere close to $1.8-$2 million in his pocket I'm guessing. We should all be so lucky. Like I said awhile ago, he'll never see that money again most likely moving forward as a head coach. He's a "nice guy" though and now a "richer nice guy". #NextCoachUp


With the obscene salaries like BG's WBB coach making 700k I wouldn't be so sure at 46 Saul has earned his last million. Wright State's HC made over 700 thousand this past year and that is in the Horizon League.


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   Posted: 3/9/2019 1:54:08 PM 
Saul is 14-16 in a year the MAC was tough and with nothing on the roster. That is the mark of a quality coach that can pull games out he shouldn't win. Its more the recruiting that is the problem.


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   Posted: 3/9/2019 1:56:17 PM 
I think we should offer Saul a contract extension if we win the MAC Tournament


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   Posted: 3/9/2019 2:23:46 PM 
All of my thoughts are disjointed and confusing.

There are excellent points on both sides of this. It's an intriguing debate that will probably come down to which side of the fence opens it's wallet wider. And I know a lot of very loud voices with no foundation to rest their opinions on. I know a lot of reserved voices that are heard clearly when their opinion is expressed.

I really, REALLY, want to see a quality person succeed. I really, REALLY don't know if this one will. I really, REALLY, don't know if anyone else can.

If Saul Phillips returns, I'll repurchase the season tickets that I dropped over stupid ticket policy.

Take a look at Jim Snyder's tenure; specifically, the first 5 years. Yeah, it's apples and oranges. Or is it?

Folks want another John Groce. I posit that he is one of a species that represents 10 of 107 years of Ohio basketball history. Those other 97 years? A lot of Saul Phillips types. We're still around, aren't we?

This is an athletic department at a critical juncture. The new president has changed things, as is his prerogative. Funding has always been iffy at Ohio and it's only going to get harder under Nellis' hand. I'm not at all sure what we can afford if we are looking to hire a new coach. I'm not at all sure if Saul will stay for what we can afford.



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If he stays, he needs to take a haircut on his base salary with large incentives for regular season and tourney MAC championships and NCAA tournament wins.
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Saul wants a raise and a minimum of three year extension. How does that sit with folks? We're not just talking about renewing him at $550k per.
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“Tell me why you deserve a raise.”

“I’m really nice and I don’t cheat.”
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SBH wrote:
Saul wants a raise and a minimum of three year extension. How does that sit with folks? We're not just talking about renewing him at $550k per.


But he's such a nice fella. Aw shucks...let's just give it to him. #NextCoachUp


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   Posted: 3/9/2019 3:02:51 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
cbus cat fan wrote:
Jeff McKinney wrote:
I support giving Coach Coach Phillips a new contract. There are probably over a dozen different criteria for evaluating coaches. I think Coach has performed well in many of those criteria and in building a solid program culture. I want to win as much as anybody on this board. I predict if Ohio retains him that the losing is going to stop and that we will soon be moving back into the upper echelon of this league. I think the recruiting is upticking and that part of the program will get more productive. For those of you who think he can't identify talent, look at Jay Preston.

Re-hiring Coach Phillips will keep stability in the program.


Earlier today I received an e-mail from a guy with whom I would on occasion go to Ohio Bobcat games. He went on a tirade about Jeff not caring about what he was suppose to uphold. I will spare you the colorful language, but to say he was mad was putting it mildly.



If this guy was so mad at me, I wonder why he didn't have the balls to contact me directly?

I knew what I posted would be unpopular. I've been reading the message board closely all season and I anticipated what the responses would be.

Check my original post and you'll see that I didn't say Coach Coach Phillips should be rehired because "he's a nice guy."



Your opening post may have been unpopular with many but I know others who would like to see Saul here at least another year. Dartis and Gollon play this year and we likely win 18-20 games. Same type of numbers when we lost Carter and Campbell. All in all the bad luck is kind of blown off by those who think W-L is only measure of success. And I don't recall any players in trouble with the law in his tenure.
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