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   Posted: 1/10/2019 3:52:21 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
Agree on the assessments of 2016 & 2017 ... but I think what takes away from those "THISclose" years are the fact the other three have been so far in the other direction.

A pair of #2 seeds sandwiched by an #11 and #10 seed and who knows what cherry-on-top this year will bring? #12?


Hard to disagree with you there. If the last two years were even 4th to 5th seed years with 18-19 win seasons, we probably aren't having this conversation for the most part.
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   Posted: 1/10/2019 7:21:57 PM 
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.
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   Posted: 1/10/2019 7:26:59 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:


So, it’s simple, drop football, upgrade the Convo and we will be on the National stage like Gonzaga.


Gonzaga, Wichita State, and Belmont are where they are in hoops because of Mark Few, Gregg Marshall, and Rick Byrd. I remember when Belmont used to play in a gym smaller and older than most high school gyms in Nashville, now play in a really nice (relatively) new classy arena and do things like win at UCLA. Mark Few got Gonzaga to the NCAA tourney 19 out of 19 times so far. Before Few? Twice in 92 years. Before Mark Turgeon and Gregg Marshall, Wichita State had three straight coaches end up leaving with losing records. Two of them only won 36% of the time.

So, football is not really the issue. It's more on which coach is going to build the program through both recruiting and player development... plus in-game adjustments and strategies.

Everybody knows Few, Marshall, and Byrd can pull it off. Remember the "ESPN Bracket Buster game" with Ohio (JC coaching) at Belmont? Rick Byrd made JC look like he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Unfortunately, I was there in person to see it close up.

How does Saul compare to Few or Marshall or Byrd??

???

Last Edited: 1/10/2019 7:27:21 PM by greencat
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   Posted: 1/10/2019 10:09:11 PM 
Please don’t say Saul has given up or has no fire. That is ludicrous. Most here think because we are paying him what we do, we aren’t getting our moneys worth. I contend that we don’t have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC and are kidding ourselves if we think merely paying high salaries will get us to the promised land. Every MAC game is played before a less than half full arena, and most are empty. We are what we are. Someone said we need a big donor. Yes and for many years to subsidize the program if we have these dreams. Do we have such a donor?
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   Posted: 1/10/2019 10:30:58 PM 
Bobcat2000 go back a few pages in this thread and read D.A.’s assessment of OHIO in the MAC. It is extremely insightful and based on facts and figures from the powers to be. Long story short we are NEVER leaving the MAC.
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   Posted: 1/10/2019 10:42:01 PM 
giacomo wrote:
I contend that we don’t have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC ...


When Saul was hired he was highest paid coach in the MAC. Same when Ohio hired Jim Christian. So, I think that pops hole in your theory.

Now going forward, it's yet to be seen how Ohio will handle coaching salaries with the new president

bobcat 2000 wrote:
ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


Ohio can't win MAC games, but they can compete in the Big East?

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Ok. Got it.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

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   Posted: 1/11/2019 12:08:35 AM 
giacomo wrote:
Please don’t say Saul has given up or has no fire. That is ludicrous. Most here think because we are paying him what we do, we aren’t getting our moneys worth. I contend that we don’t have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC and are kidding ourselves if we think merely paying high salaries will get us to the promised land. Every MAC game is played before a less than half full arena, and most are empty. We are what we are. Someone said we need a big donor. Yes and for many years to subsidize the program if we have these dreams. Do we have such a donor?


Do we have any tournament appearances? Has our attendance increased? Has our turnover rate decreased? Are our players improving? Have we ever come close to winning the MAC? Have we ever finished in the top 12 in MAC recruiting? The answer to all of these questions is no. We are a lower tier MAC program, let’s hope for a miracle for Saul. If we continue on this trajectory, the AD will have to fire Saul or else we will be known as the university that hands out half a million dollar checks and new MAC coaches will demand 750k based off of saul’s performance, nobody will accept 600k when he is making 550k to lose. We play to win and kissing the babies comes second.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 12:16:10 AM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


This is either a troll account or someone that is 10 years old behind the keyboard. Can one of the admins investigate this account? This ain't the first time absurdity from beyond the usual absurdity has flown around.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 9:33:10 AM 
bobcat 2000 wrote:
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


I am sure the Athletic Department would appreciate your $5-6 Million dollar donation to get this process started.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 9:37:48 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
bobcat 2000 wrote:
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


This is either a troll account or someone that is 10 years old behind the keyboard. Can one of the admins investigate this account? This ain't the first time absurdity from beyond the usual absurdity has flown around.



Actually, this topic comes up quite regularly by several different posters. Not as much last couple of years. But this is a regular occuring topic of a couple, along with the need to expand Peden.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Coach Phillips' future
   Posted: 1/11/2019 10:16:53 AM 
greencat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


So, it’s simple, drop football, upgrade the Convo and we will be on the National stage like Gonzaga.


Gonzaga, Wichita State, and Belmont are where they are in hoops because of Mark Few, Gregg Marshall, and Rick Byrd. I remember when Belmont used to play in a gym smaller and older than most high school gyms in Nashville, now play in a really nice (relatively) new classy arena and do things like win at UCLA. Mark Few got Gonzaga to the NCAA tourney 19 out of 19 times so far. Before Few? Twice in 92 years. Before Mark Turgeon and Gregg Marshall, Wichita State had three straight coaches end up leaving with losing records. Two of them only won 36% of the time.

So, football is not really the issue. It's more on which coach is going to build the program through both recruiting and player development... plus in-game adjustments and strategies.

Everybody knows Few, Marshall, and Byrd can pull it off. Remember the "ESPN Bracket Buster game" with Ohio (JC coaching) at Belmont? Rick Byrd made JC look like he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Unfortunately, I was there in person to see it close up.

How does Saul compare to Few or Marshall or Byrd??

???



I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point, but I'll pretend you're not. The lowest-paid guy on your mini list is Byrd, who's last reported contract was more than $700,000 a year in 2012 - I'm sure it's more now. Few makes around $2 million. Marshall makes $3.3 million.

But yeah, keep telling us how Ohio is just like those schools.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 10:32:34 AM 
allen wrote:
giacomo wrote:
Please don’t say Saul has given up or has no fire. That is ludicrous. Most here think because we are paying him what we do, we aren’t getting our moneys worth. I contend that we don’t have the money to pay any more than the median salary of the MAC and are kidding ourselves if we think merely paying high salaries will get us to the promised land. Every MAC game is played before a less than half full arena, and most are empty. We are what we are. Someone said we need a big donor. Yes and for many years to subsidize the program if we have these dreams. Do we have such a donor?


Do we have any tournament appearances? Has our attendance increased? Has our turnover rate decreased? Are our players improving? Have we ever come close to winning the MAC? Have we ever finished in the top 12 in MAC recruiting? The answer to all of these questions is no. We are a lower tier MAC program, let’s hope for a miracle for Saul. If we continue on this trajectory, the AD will have to fire Saul or else we will be known as the university that hands out half a million dollar checks and new MAC coaches will demand 750k based off of saul’s performance, nobody will accept 600k when he is making 550k to lose. We play to win and kissing the babies comes second.


Are the metrics you mentioned measurements of "fire"?

Again, things haven't worked with Saul. It's inevitable he'll be let go after the year. I don't see any value in all of the foot stomping and anger about how he carries himself.

We hired him to do a job and he came in and did it to the best of his ability. It didn't work. Let's handle the exit with some class and remember that our university is a community comprised of actual people, and one of those people is about to lose his job in a very public way, and his career trajectory will take a major hit as a result. We can move on while still being empathetic towards the people involved and doing so will, in it's own small way, make our basketball program better and more appealing.


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   Posted: 1/11/2019 10:33:46 AM 
greencat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


So, it’s simple, drop football, upgrade the Convo and we will be on the National stage like Gonzaga.


Gonzaga, Wichita State, and Belmont are where they are in hoops because of Mark Few, Gregg Marshall, and Rick Byrd. I remember when Belmont used to play in a gym smaller and older than most high school gyms in Nashville, now play in a really nice (relatively) new classy arena and do things like win at UCLA. Mark Few got Gonzaga to the NCAA tourney 19 out of 19 times so far. Before Few? Twice in 92 years. Before Mark Turgeon and Gregg Marshall, Wichita State had three straight coaches end up leaving with losing records. Two of them only won 36% of the time.

So, football is not really the issue. It's more on which coach is going to build the program through both recruiting and player development... plus in-game adjustments and strategies.

Everybody knows Few, Marshall, and Byrd can pull it off. Remember the "ESPN Bracket Buster game" with Ohio (JC coaching) at Belmont? Rick Byrd made JC look like he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Unfortunately, I was there in person to see it close up.

How does Saul compare to Few or Marshall or Byrd??

???



How did those programs afford to keep Few, Marshall, and Byrd when bigger schools came calling? Did they compensate them with in-game adjustment strategies? Or was it with, you know, money?

Just a little thought experiment: let's say you're an up and coming assistant coach at a big time basketball program tracking Saul's situation because your agent mentioned OU to you as a potential open head coaching job next year. And let's say you came here to get a sense of the fan base and expectations.

Would people's perception of what we are and the standard for success be a selling point? Do you think anybody who works in college basketball believes that all it would take for us to become Gonzaga is a coach who recruits right and makes the right in-game adjustments?

If I were that coach, I'd think a solid 45% of our fanbase is completely delusional. And that would concern me.

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   Posted: 1/11/2019 10:46:44 AM 
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

His offenses play an exciting brand of basketball...when it works. Lots of passing, drive and kicks for open jumpers, lots of movement without the ball and extra passes between big men. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Saul can coach an offense. I think if you go back and look, his teams have actually averaged better scoring numbers than Groce or Christian teams.

I'm for one who thinks defensively his teams haven't been that bad, but my issue lies with letting teams go on BIG runs without timeouts before it's too late. And frankly, we haven't had great perimeter defenders outside of a few guys to stop dribble penetration, which causes bigs to get in foul trouble. And if Ohio's bigs are in foul trouble, they can't stretch the floor and give room for guys like Jaaron or TK to operate.

And we've had some great players here during his time.

-Tony was on an upward trajectory before he arrived, but playing in Saul's offense turned him into a MAC POTY. His last season was taken from him and it's heartbreaking to see what he could have been.

-Jaaron, who I still think is Ohio's greatest PG outside of DJ Cooper in the last 20 years (fight me), was a perfect catalyst for the team when everyone was healthy. Once he had to do too much, then we slid.

-Mike Laster...his development over 4 years was a treat to watch.

-Jordy is one of the best shooters Ohio has ever had, percentage wise and his ability to go off in spurts.

-Jason Carter is already an Ohio great and he's barely played 2 years of basketball.

-TK may be one of the best rebounding guards I've seen in a while and is ultra athletic.

-Role guys like BVP, Gavin, Jimmy G, Doug, Kenny, and Treg are/were good players for this program that filled a need.

-----

Unless things turn around quickly this season I think Saul's tenure here will be a story of "what ifs" and that's unfortunate.

-What if Tony doesn't get hurt in Saul's 3rd year?

-What if Ryan Taylor doesn't transfer? (Can you imagine Year 3 with Ryan Taylor, Jaaron, Jordy, Tony and Jason in one lineup? My God.)

-What if Ohio lands a couple big names like Desmond Bane and Tyrese Haliburton?

-What if Jaaron decides to stay?

-What if the injury plagued 2017-18 season isn't as severe?

-What if Aaron Fuss sticks around?

-----

But that's not how life works. Some things just aren't meant to be. I love watching Saul's teams, but for whatever reason things aren't going as planned. For a myriad of reasons and adding those things together may be too much for this regime to overcome.

It seems this year's team is still trying to recover from last year's debacle and learning how to play together. I'm hoping they get some stuff figured out before March so we can see what the group is fully capable of, but it's going to be a long winter. Here's hoping for the best, whatever that is.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 12:42:13 PM 
"what if" LaBron James chose OHIO for a year instead of the NBA????
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 1:19:17 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
"what if" LaBron James chose *AKRON* for a year instead of the NBA????


Maybe this is what you meant, or Ohio State?
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 1:38:58 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

His offenses play an exciting brand of basketball...when it works. Lots of passing, drive and kicks for open jumpers, lots of movement without the ball and extra passes between big men. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Saul can coach an offense. I think if you go back and look, his teams have actually averaged better scoring numbers than Groce or Christian teams.

I'm for one who thinks defensively his teams haven't been that bad, but my issue lies with letting teams go on BIG runs without timeouts before it's too late. And frankly, we haven't had great perimeter defenders outside of a few guys to stop dribble penetration, which causes bigs to get in foul trouble. And if Ohio's bigs are in foul trouble, they can't stretch the floor and give room for guys like Jaaron or TK to operate.

And we've had some great players here during his time.

-Tony was on an upward trajectory before he arrived, but playing in Saul's offense turned him into a MAC POTY. His last season was taken from him and it's heartbreaking to see what he could have been.

-Jaaron, who I still think is Ohio's greatest PG outside of DJ Cooper in the last 20 years (fight me), was a perfect catalyst for the team when everyone was healthy. Once he had to do too much, then we slid.

-Mike Laster...his development over 4 years was a treat to watch.

-Jordy is one of the best shooters Ohio has ever had, percentage wise and his ability to go off in spurts.

-Jason Carter is already an Ohio great and he's barely played 2 years of basketball.

-TK may be one of the best rebounding guards I've seen in a while and is ultra athletic.

-Role guys like BVP, Gavin, Jimmy G, Doug, Kenny, and Treg are/were good players for this program that filled a need.

-----

Unless things turn around quickly this season I think Saul's tenure here will be a story of "what ifs" and that's unfortunate.

-What if Tony doesn't get hurt in Saul's 3rd year?

-What if Ryan Taylor doesn't transfer? (Can you imagine Year 3 with Ryan Taylor, Jaaron, Jordy, Tony and Jason in one lineup? My God.)

-What if Ohio lands a couple big names like Desmond Bane and Tyrese Haliburton?

-What if Jaaron decides to stay?

-What if the injury plagued 2017-18 season isn't as severe?

-What if Aaron Fuss sticks around?

-----

But that's not how life works. Some things just aren't meant to be. I love watching Saul's teams, but for whatever reason things aren't going as planned. For a myriad of reasons and adding those things together may be too much for this regime to overcome.

It seems this year's team is still trying to recover from last year's debacle and learning how to play together. I'm hoping they get some stuff figured out before March so we can see what the group is fully capable of, but it's going to be a long winter. Here's hoping for the best, whatever that is.


Was talking to a few folks after the game Tuesday and summed up the era nicely as the "What-If" Era. Lots of things that truly went against this staff in terms of injuries and transfers and to be honest, I don't blame Ryan Taylor leaving on Saul. I pin that more on the cultural problems that stemmed from the remnants of the Jim Christian Era (cough, cough, Bean). Not throwing that whole era under the bus, because Christian did bring in some wonderful characters that bought in big time (think Treg) but the warts that existed from the near-mutiny I think derailed that one.

Nonetheless, personally like Saul and Co and wished that the cards would have played differently. But alas, the What If Era had every break go against us and to be honest if a couple of those go our way we're sniffing the success we expected to have.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 6:47:40 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

His offenses play an exciting brand of basketball...when it works. Lots of passing, drive and kicks for open jumpers, lots of movement without the ball and extra passes between big men. Anyone who knows basketball knows that Saul can coach an offense. I think if you go back and look, his teams have actually averaged better scoring numbers than Groce or Christian teams.

I'm for one who thinks defensively his teams haven't been that bad, but my issue lies with letting teams go on BIG runs without timeouts before it's too late. And frankly, we haven't had great perimeter defenders outside of a few guys to stop dribble penetration, which causes bigs to get in foul trouble. And if Ohio's bigs are in foul trouble, they can't stretch the floor and give room for guys like Jaaron or TK to operate.

And we've had some great players here during his time.

-Tony was on an upward trajectory before he arrived, but playing in Saul's offense turned him into a MAC POTY. His last season was taken from him and it's heartbreaking to see what he could have been.

-Jaaron, who I still think is Ohio's greatest PG outside of DJ Cooper in the last 20 years (fight me), was a perfect catalyst for the team when everyone was healthy. Once he had to do too much, then we slid.

-Mike Laster...his development over 4 years was a treat to watch.

-Jordy is one of the best shooters Ohio has ever had, percentage wise and his ability to go off in spurts.

-Jason Carter is already an Ohio great and he's barely played 2 years of basketball.

-TK may be one of the best rebounding guards I've seen in a while and is ultra athletic.

-Role guys like BVP, Gavin, Jimmy G, Doug, Kenny, and Treg are/were good players for this program that filled a need.

-----

Unless things turn around quickly this season I think Saul's tenure here will be a story of "what ifs" and that's unfortunate.

-What if Tony doesn't get hurt in Saul's 3rd year?

-What if Ryan Taylor doesn't transfer? (Can you imagine Year 3 with Ryan Taylor, Jaaron, Jordy, Tony and Jason in one lineup? My God.)

-What if Ohio lands a couple big names like Desmond Bane and Tyrese Haliburton?

-What if Jaaron decides to stay?

-What if the injury plagued 2017-18 season isn't as severe?

-What if Aaron Fuss sticks around?

-----

But that's not how life works. Some things just aren't meant to be. I love watching Saul's teams, but for whatever reason things aren't going as planned. For a myriad of reasons and adding those things together may be too much for this regime to overcome.

It seems this year's team is still trying to recover from last year's debacle and learning how to play together. I'm hoping they get some stuff figured out before March so we can see what the group is fully capable of, but it's going to be a long winter. Here's hoping for the best, whatever that is.

Woaaaahhhhhh, let’s pump the brakes. Carter is not an Ohio Great yet, Jaaron is not the second best ph. Tone Campbell was balling way before Saul. He couldn’t develop wadley, khari, or dozier so how can we give him credit for Campbell, none of the players that he recruited that transferred out have went D1. Laster was sitting behind gollon and block for a year and a half and only got minutes when tone got injured and he proved to be much better than both of them immediately. He was literally on wis way to being Ellis dozier. The wins are down, the attendance is down, the donations are down and the morale is down. Bowling greens team has all newcomers and just thrashed us, what do we get out of this mediocre stability claim? Nothing.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 7:42:38 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...



Wow GoCats105, that thread from 5 years ago was pretty sobering. It seems almost everyone was pretty excited, but as you say the cards just didn't fall for us. It is amazing how many of those Bobcat Attack posters seemed to have become infrequent posters, or just altogether disappeared into the mists of Bobcat History. I am not sure if this is a metaphor for Bobcat fans in general, but all of these events which have occurred in the last 5 years are pretty sobering.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 8:43:45 PM 
Terrific Post, GoCat105!
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 9:25:08 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:


If I were that coach, I'd think a solid 45% of our fanbase is completely delusional.


Sounds about average to me....

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   Posted: 1/11/2019 11:12:29 PM 
cbus cat fan wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Sometimes the cards just don't fall as you think they should or the way you want them to. Most of us love Saul as a person and were thrilled by the hire. Going back and reading the new coach thread for him is fun.

http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...



Wow GoCats105, that thread from 5 years ago was pretty sobering. It seems almost everyone was pretty excited, but as you say the cards just didn't fall for us. It is amazing how many of those Bobcat Attack posters seemed to have become infrequent posters, or just altogether disappeared into the mists of Bobcat History. I am not sure if this is a metaphor for Bobcat fans in general, but all of these events which have occurred in the last 5 years are pretty sobering.


I go back and look at this thread and it really tortures me. At the time it was the right hire and in fact still think it was given what we were playing with then. I know hindsight is a pain in the neck but this just made too much sense at the time. This just kills me to see this happen.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 11:38:25 PM 
OUVan wrote:
FearLeon wrote:


I guess I just expect more. Enjoy the 12-18 season. #KeepApologizingForSaul



What are you suggesting we do? Do we have to stomp around like a three year old having a tantrum? Saul can clearly be a good coach under the right circumstances because, well, he already was one. He hit the magic combination, whatever that is, at his previous job. He hasn't been successful here but he has represented the school well and I'm going to guess he will land on his feet just fine. I just don't get the ire you have for the man just because he hasn't met your expectations. I think it's interesting that the reasons he failed here IMO are very similar to the reason the man he replaced failed at Illinois. I'll be rooting for him at his next stop just like I root for all the coaches that we've had since 1978.


Yet FearLeon thinks Groce walks on water. Saul is class as a person and IMO even more than Groce who I am not criticizing. Leon looks at W-L only I guess.
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   Posted: 1/11/2019 11:49:00 PM 
greencat wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:


So, it’s simple, drop football, upgrade the Convo and we will be on the National stage like Gonzaga.


Gonzaga, Wichita State, and Belmont are where they are in hoops because of Mark Few, Gregg Marshall, and Rick Byrd. I remember when Belmont used to play in a gym smaller and older than most high school gyms in Nashville, now play in a really nice (relatively) new classy arena and do things like win at UCLA. Mark Few got Gonzaga to the NCAA tourney 19 out of 19 times so far. Before Few? Twice in 92 years. Before Mark Turgeon and Gregg Marshall, Wichita State had three straight coaches end up leaving with losing records. Two of them only won 36% of the time.

So, football is not really the issue. It's more on which coach is going to build the program through both recruiting and player development... plus in-game adjustments and strategies.

Everybody knows Few, Marshall, and Byrd can pull it off. Remember the "ESPN Bracket Buster game" with Ohio (JC coaching) at Belmont? Rick Byrd made JC look like he couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. Unfortunately, I was there in person to see it close up.

How does Saul compare to Few or Marshall or Byrd??

???



Doubt you ever took a Stats class in Athens. Great for Few, Marshall and Byrd. And what pecentage of coaches do they represent? And if a coach has success what is the probability they will stay long term?

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   Posted: 1/12/2019 9:12:15 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
bobcat 2000 wrote:
it is not entirely sauls fault we have the problems we have. ou needs tp leave the mac and the best conferences for ou to join are big east American and conference usa. ou can compete with teams from these confernces in football and basketball. the fact these conferenc3es offer more than one bid means ou can get more ncaa appaeances for sure.


This is either a troll account or someone that is 10 years old behind the keyboard. Can one of the admins investigate this account? This ain't the first time absurdity from beyond the usual absurdity has flown around.


Yeah sure, look over under the name. 2000 has been here 7 years longer than YOU. That is from a few years before the crash so YOU have no idea how many posts he has from years back. He (I suppose it could be a she) may have been a big poster that got disgusted as we have many of those from the pre crash days. If it bothers you skip over it like some folks do your posts.

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