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A few really bad looks and an awful rebuttal to a Bradley reference. Maybe Saul will have a guest room at his next stop. I really used to like Arkley but he seems to have really become enamored more than objective. He's a good writer and does get insight but his responses to the Boals hire shows he was 100 percent a Saul fanboy who showed he isn't professional and will probably struggle to cover Boals fairly now. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,125 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 6:45:42 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: Townie1977 wrote: To stay in step, Arkley continues his Saul-fanboy melt down on twitter. A few really bad looks and an awful rebuttal to a Bradley reference. Maybe Saul will have a guest room at his next stop. I really used to like Arkley but he seems to have really become enamored more than objective. He's a good writer and does get insight but his responses to the Boals hire shows he was 100 percent a Saul fanboy who showed he isn't professional and will probably struggle to cover Boals fairly now. Jeesh...just reading Arkley's tweets. WTF is he doing? Bitter dude. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,790 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 6:47:44 PM  I don't think Arkley has mentioned Phillips in any of his tweets regarding the new hire. I think people are taking everything he says to have some kind of additional meaning. Back to Top Townie1977 General User Member Since: 1/12/2015 Location: Etna, OH Post Count: 82 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 6:50:35 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: I don't think Arkley has mentioned Phillips in any of his tweets regarding the new hire. I think people are taking everything he says to have some kind of additional meaning. I respectfully disagree. You must have missed the schoolgirl crush article Arkley published for the Messenger. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,125 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 6:52:45 PM  Townie1977 wrote: UpSan Bobcat wrote: I don't think Arkley has mentioned Phillips in any of his tweets regarding the new hire. I think people are taking everything he says to have some kind of additional meaning. I respectfully disagree. You must have missed the schoolgirl crush article Arkley published for the Messenger. It's very bizarre to seem him take this stance. Like he's already rooting for Boals to fail. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised after the column he wrote. #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Buck.Cat General User Member Since: 12/21/2017 Post Count: 365 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 7:09:56 PM  You rarely see beat writers for teams responding to fans at all on Twitter. To see him respond to fans with rage is pretty disturbing but also reminds us what we knew all along. Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,790 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 7:21:47 PM  Townie1977 wrote: UpSan Bobcat wrote: I don't think Arkley has mentioned Phillips in any of his tweets regarding the new hire. I think people are taking everything he says to have some kind of additional meaning. I respectfully disagree. You must have missed the schoolgirl crush article Arkley published for the Messenger. Yes, I read it. That's irrelevant to today. I don't see anything in his tweets today that is either positive for Phillips or negative for Boals. Everything I've seen has been very impartial. He's not stated in any way that it was a good or bad move, only that it meets all of the criteria Ohio was looking for. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,156 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 7:58:03 PM  UpSan Bobcat wrote: Townie1977 wrote: UpSan Bobcat wrote: I don't think Arkley has mentioned Phillips in any of his tweets regarding the new hire. I think people are taking everything he says to have some kind of additional meaning. I respectfully disagree. You must have missed the schoolgirl crush article Arkley published for the Messenger. Yes, I read it. That's irrelevant to today. I don't see anything in his tweets today that is either positive for Phillips or negative for Boals. Everything I've seen has been very impartial. He's not stated in any way that it was a good or bad move, only that it meets all of the criteria Ohio was looking for. Why not say something positive about the hire from his standpoint? Just parroting what Shaus says he wanted when he’s on record of disliking his previous actions is faint praise of the hire. He couldn’t say anything nice, it seems to me. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 8:23:12 PM  I think it's fair to question the speed at which we are hiring here, whether Boals or anyone else. we can clearly see there was no "national" search. you ask him to be objective and critical when needed, then he is, and you still slice him up for it. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 8:49:00 PM  Arkley has led on that there are problems deeper than our coaches. Like a lot of us here, we wanted to see Saul work and thought it could if given the right resources. As I have alluded to for a while, revenues are down big time in combination of Schaus looking for other jobs the last 4 years (hell his one Sr. Associate AD put it out there that they "thought" they were going to Purdue in one of my classes). The fact that Saul didn't have a contract after years 2 and 3 led to a lot of problems in that recruiting kids was not going to be easy and the fact he was staring at a lameduck year meant he had to get JUCO's instead of letting his process play out. Especially considering Along with the Kirk recruiting affair (which was shot-gunned and off the record from the coaches, they wanted him to transfer this year and had his papers ready) and Doug Taylor being a culture problem until Vander Plas woke up, there were some rooted problems along with dealing with the initial kids from the Christian era, such as Bean Willis and mutiny island that existed. I think Treg did a pretty good job alluding the problems under Christian..... Nonetheless, the reason why his compliments are faint are because these same problems are going to exist given the current administration. Now maybe our new Sr. Associate AD for Development along with the new Asst. AD for Sales (who I know has been hired and is a former intern of mine) can turn things around. Problem is it's going to be a 3 year process to rebuild to where we were prior to Drake Bolon getting fired. Sorry I keep harping on that, but that situation along with the day they didn't name Drew Ossakow Asst. AD for Development are the days we messed up on heavily when we could have been building from within instead of developing revolving doors. If you want to question me it's going to take that long, go ahead. Feel free to PM if you disagree with Arkley's assessment, but the reason for his back-handed compliments are legitimately valid. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,913 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 8:50:04 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: I think it's fair to question the speed at which we are hiring here, whether Boals or anyone else. we can clearly see there was no "national" search. you ask him to be objective and critical when needed, then he is, and you still slice him up for it. I was thinking this same thing. Very quick on the trigger. Makes me wonder if this was in the works a long time ago no matter what happened this season. Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,156 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 10:01:00 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: I think it's fair to question the speed at which we are hiring here, whether Boals or anyone else. we can clearly see there was no "national" search. you ask him to be objective and critical when needed, then he is, and you still slice him up for it. I was thinking this same thing. Very quick on the trigger. Makes me wonder if this was in the works a long time ago no matter what happened this season. If Arkley is right, JS has had 18 months to think about it. Anyway, people here are saying that ADs have a short list all the time. I’ll give JS credit for striking fast for what many think is a good choice. Back to Top left lane, hammer down General User Member Since: 3/25/2012 Location: Albany International Airport Tower Post Count: 135 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/17/2019 11:11:00 PM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Arkley has led on that there are problems deeper than our coaches. Like a lot of us here, we wanted to see Saul work and thought it could if given the right resources. As I have alluded to for a while, revenues are down big time in combination of Schaus looking for other jobs the last 4 years (hell his one Sr. Associate AD put it out there that they "thought" they were going to Purdue in one of my classes). The fact that Saul didn't have a contract after years 2 and 3 led to a lot of problems in that recruiting kids was not going to be easy and the fact he was staring at a lameduck year meant he had to get JUCO's instead of letting his process play out. Especially considering Along with the Kirk recruiting affair (which was shot-gunned and off the record from the coaches, they wanted him to transfer this year and had his papers ready) and Doug Taylor being a culture problem until Vander Plas woke up, there were some rooted problems along with dealing with the initial kids from the Christian era, such as Bean Willis and mutiny island that existed. I think Treg did a pretty good job alluding the problems under Christian..... Nonetheless, the reason why his compliments are faint are because these same problems are going to exist given the current administration. Now maybe our new Sr. Associate AD for Development along with the new Asst. AD for Sales (who I know has been hired and is a former intern of mine) can turn things around. Problem is it's going to be a 3 year process to rebuild to where we were prior to Drake Bolon getting fired. Sorry I keep harping on that, but that situation along with the day they didn't name Drew Ossakow Asst. AD for Development are the days we messed up on heavily when we could have been building from within instead of developing revolving doors. If you want to question me it's going to take that long, go ahead. Feel free to PM if you disagree with Arkley's assessment, but the reason for his back-handed compliments are legitimately valid. !00% agree with this assessment of the Christian era till now. Too many folks at the top of the Dept looking for other jobs. Too many Asst. jobs going outside. Lots of stuff going on in the last few years that most folks don't see. As for Saul, great guy, just too much bad luck with injuries. I know enough to know Arkley's article was an indictment of Schaus management. Well as much as he could and still be allowed on campus. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/18/2019 8:38:09 AM  left lane, hammer down wrote: I know enough to know Arkley's article was an indictment of Schaus management. Well as much as he could and still be allowed on campus. That's a poor excuse if, in fact, his intent was to criticize the department as opposed to lionizing a 40-50 MAC coach. Public universities can't ban journalists they don't like. Even private Bradley University just got embarrassed by trying to pull that. That department has deserves open and honest scrutiny and I'd be all for seeing that from Arkley, but that column was just a compendium of excuses that ignored the stark reality that our recruiting was sub-par and it led to a losing MAC record and severely declining interest in the program. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/18/2019 10:19:34 AM  So we're still going on and on about Arkley? If you don't like his writing or his tweets, there's a solution folks: don't read, and don't follow. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/18/2019 11:37:03 AM  OU_Country wrote: So we're still going on and on about Arkley? If you don't like his writing or his tweets, there's a solution folks: don't read, and don't follow. He's a professional and put his opinion out there. It's hardly out of bounds to respond to it. And "don't read, and don't follow" is a much less helpful response than offering constructive criticism and hoping for better while still paying attention and subscription fees. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/18/2019 12:05:28 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: OU_Country wrote: So we're still going on and on about Arkley? If you don't like his writing or his tweets, there's a solution folks: don't read, and don't follow. He's a professional and put his opinion out there. It's hardly out of bounds to respond to it. And "don't read, and don't follow" is a much less helpful response than offering constructive criticism and hoping for better while still paying attention and subscription fees. In a way, I agree with you - offering constructive criticism is useful, and useful in this case. I'm just not sure he's going to receive said constructive criticism in a BA thread. In this particular (opinion) column's case, I think some have gone off the typical deep end with how much it bothers them though. Re: don't read/don't follow -- that's my tact when I'm getting my news as a whole. If I find a better source (the young men at The Post for example), I follow them more closely. Same logic applies for me with another example. I used to read the Cincy Enquirer more. I now subscribe to The Athletic, and read Cincy sports from them more because I think it's better. Back to Top LuckySparrow General User Member Since: 10/15/2012 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,722 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 12:16:14 PM  I get all of the excuses for Saul. Trust me, I used them and wanted nothing more than him to succeed at Ohio because he did indeed feel like the perfect fit. It didn't work out. Saul did not rise to the challenge and grab the bull by the horns in the five seasons he was at the helm. Recruiting and wins we're not there. It is sad it didn't work out, but this is a business. Anyone with any sense can see this. Casting Ohio athletics and Schaus as the villian here the way Arkley does is a bad look. The entire opinion column is pretty sobby and I would say borderline unprofessional and outside the scope of what should be going on at the Messenger from their beat writer. What a day at the Convo.....Wow! Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 12:47:48 PM  LuckySparrow wrote: I get all of the excuses for Saul. Trust me, I used them and wanted nothing more than him to succeed at Ohio because he did indeed feel like the perfect fit. It didn't work out. Saul did not rise to the challenge and grab the bull by the horns in the five seasons he was at the helm. Recruiting and wins we're not there. It is sad it didn't work out, but this is a business. Anyone with any sense can see this. Casting Ohio athletics and Schaus as the villian here the way Arkley does is a bad look. The entire opinion column is pretty sobby and I would say borderline unprofessional and outside the scope of what should be going on at the Messenger from their beat writer. I'll kindly disagree with the last paragraph. Schaus, as I've said half a dozen times, is the CEO of the Athletic Dept. He inherently has to take some responsibility for those he hired, and those who report to him. That goes for the basketball coach the same as it does for those that run ticketing, marketing, PR, etc. And, as many have stated - not just me - there's been a drop off in the entire experience when going to a game over the last handful of years. Not just the on court performances. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 4:43:35 PM  LuckySparrow wrote: Casting Ohio athletics and Schaus as the villian here the way Arkley does is a bad look. The entire opinion column is pretty sobby and I would say borderline unprofessional and outside the scope of what should be going on at the Messenger from their beat writer. We've gone down the rabbit hole when it comes to beat writers being given the latitude to write analysis pieces. It's so tough to pull off. So many writers think they're Zach Lowe. There's a reason Zach Lowe is Zach Lowe, whose analysis pieces are so devoid of emotion that they're airtight and fair. The Athletic has made it worse, empowering their beat writers to go full-on opinion piece mingling with the beat writer stuff. We can never put the toothpaste back into the tube. Last Edited: 3/19/2019 6:17:50 PM by . Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,045 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 5:22:59 PM  Arkley overall has done a very good job at the Messenger. Even if you disagree with him on this, you've got to admit his overall body of work is more substantive than many small town papers sports writers. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,624 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 5:48:52 PM  Robert Fox wrote: Good article. I agree with much of it except this part "It’s winning games, selling tickets and making money for everyone but the players." Oy vey. I completely agree with him. Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,949 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 6:18:37 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Arkley overall has done a very good job at the Messenger. Even if you disagree with him on this, you've got to admit his overall body of work is more substantive than many small town papers sports writers. Agreed. But that should be expected in a university town, especially one with a good journalism program. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/19/2019 9:14:09 PM  giacomo wrote: Robert Fox wrote: Good article. I agree with much of it except this part "It’s winning games, selling tickets and making money for everyone but the players." Oy vey. I completely agree with him. The only thing surprising about this statement is that it took this darn long for you to say it. ;) Back to Top longtiimelurker General User Member Since: 2/2/2017 Post Count: 587 Status: Offline     RE: Arkley Saul Apologist Article    Posted: 3/21/2019 6:40:41 PM  giacomo wrote: Robert Fox wrote: Good article. I agree with much of it except this part "It’s winning games, selling tickets and making money for everyone but the players." Oy vey. I completely agree with him. Really? Are you sure? Thanks for verifying though. We might have missed that you have shoved it down our throats and hammered us over the head with that thought for years now. Thank you for taking the opportunity to make sure you did not let one chance to do it again pass. Back to Top Showing Replies:   76 - 100  of 117 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 256 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 256 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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