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   Posted: 2/14/2019 9:54:44 AM 
In that case I want to be the next president of the university. First official decision: Bring back the Frontier Room.


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 10:28:54 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Not sure how anyone can say Saul does NOT get what it means to love OHIO University. Saul is a great member of the community and ambassador of the University. Any failures he has had is not because he does not love and value the experience of OHIO.


+1 That was one of the most ill-informed remarks I've seen on BA in awhile, including some of my own! ;-)


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 10:32:05 AM 
SBH wrote:
In that case I want to be the next president of the university. First official decision: Bring back the Frontier Room.


+1 Hey, we can agree on some things. The change of name from Frontier Room, which tied in nicely with the history of the university, to Front Room was one I was never comfortable with. If you recall in old Baker Center next to the Frontier Room was the Bunch of Grapes Room. As I recall there were small plaques describing why each room bore the name it did. Historical awareness is important in my book.


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 11:48:36 AM 
WittenburgT wrote:
greencat wrote:
OK, my turn and yes he's from the south.

Wes Miller at UNC-Greensboro - age 36.

This is his 3rd really good season in a row. Pony up and get the guy.

Buyout $$ will be involved.


Wes Miller has no shot at coming here. I believe he would be a good fit at Wake Forest. We need a coach with Energy and that has been at the high major level. Someone who knows what sort of athletes we need at Ohio. (Simmons, Campbell, Kaminski, R. Taylor) What about Pat Kelsey!?


Speaking of Pat Kelsey, this is cool:

https://twitter.com/patkelsey/status/1096083258830393350
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 11:52:39 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.


I have actually been thinking about Ric, Stevie, Tommy and Dante Jackson was guys who I would actually have no problem seeing leading this program. People get hung up on experience and being "qualified." Saul was "qualified." Christian was very qualified and used us and abused us. I think it would be a cool risk to go with a guy like Rico or like you said, Fuss and get some OU guys on staff. Guys who understand what it means to love Ohio University. I don't think Saul got it. Groce was at least around the state. Dustin Ford was on his staff. We have to get that Bobcat love back!


Not sure how anyone can say Saul does NOT get what it means to love OHIO University. Saul is a great member of the community and ambassador of the University. Any failures he has had is not because he does not love and value the experience of OHIO.


Let me rephrase: When Saul was hired one of his main things he made sure to glow about in his press conference was (paraphrasing) "Look around at this place. If I can't sell this place, I am not a great salesman. To get kids to go to North Dakota you have to sell them but this place, it sells itself." Apparently he has learned that it doesn't "sell itself" as his recruits show and he must not be able to "sell" it on those living room couches. Everyone on here agrees that we have slipped mostly from a talent perspective and I would go so far as to say we are the least athletic team in the MAC right now. I am certain that Saul enjoys Athens and that he has respect for Ohio University. I was not saying that he doesn't like the college or the town. I, as a person who glows when I tell people I went to OU and who goes back several times a year, just don't see that from him when he talks. He can wear all the green ties he wants and talk about lava cakes all day but in the end, tell me then what you see from him that shows he truly GETS OU? Tell me and then we can talk. Otherwise, some of you need to quit simply saying "you are stupid" or "That's the worst take ever." You're not Jim Rome. Offer some counterpoints or continue calling out to your mom to get you some meatloaf.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Future Coach
   Posted: 2/14/2019 12:06:40 PM 
^^^^ So to be an Ohio coach you can like, respect, and get excited about, he needs to GLOW when he talks about Athens and Ohio University? Let's get him a substantial supply of Red Bull and some of this so he's more exciting and glowing when he talks about Athens and OU.

https://www.amazon.com/Luminous-Glowing-Extreme-StarMaker...



And stop insulting our mom's meatloaf. It's darn good!
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 12:21:15 PM 
How quickly will OHIO have a new coach? It was pointed out elsewhere that Schaus filled both basketball vacancies very quickly, within a week of them opening up. Assuming that Saul is not extended after the MAC Championship, do we have a new coach before the Sweet 16? Does it wait until the Final Four weekend?
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 12:36:01 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
How quickly will OHIO have a new coach? It was pointed out elsewhere that Schaus filled both basketball vacancies very quickly, within a week of them opening up. Assuming that Saul is not extended after the MAC Championship, do we have a new coach before the Sweet 16? Does it wait until the Final Four weekend?


My guess is the day after NCAA title game at the latest.


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 1:02:22 PM 
Bobcat1998 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat1998 wrote:
OU_Country wrote:
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:
Option #1: It's a long shot as he has no HC history and he's an alum so I doubt Schaus makes it happen- Tommy Freeman. We all know him as a player under Groce, he has rapport with the fans, worked as a GA. He's from Indiana so he could snag some talent from there. He's working at a D3 school now so I'm assuming he would welcome a D1 HC salary. I'm not sure if that makes sense, but it's better than Saul.

Option #2 (A more realistic one): Brian Cooley
https://wsuraiders.com/staff.aspx?staff=154

Cooley is an associate HC at Wright State. Fresh off an NCAA tourney appearance, Wright State is on the rise. I know the thought of bringing in someone with Dakota history is a sore subject right now, but they've got 8 kids on their roster from Ohio. Seems he can find talent in the area decently well.

Anything at this point is speculation, but those are two guys I'd be interested in. With Schaus at the helm it'll likely be someone completely off the radar..


Welcome to the board! Nice name for your user ID!

I'd love to see Tommy back here on the coaching staff. He's clearly a student of the jump shot that could help some of the current bunch. Other former players that I like that would be nice additions to a coaching staff would include Walt Offut, David McKinley, and Ricardo Johnson. I'm just not sure any one of them is really ready or qualified to be the head coach quite yet.

Having a former player on staff from somewhat recent years might be a really good thing in terms of standing in front of players and recruits to say "this is how we're gonna do things, and this is the success we had when I was here by doing them this way."

If we're talking former folks that have been here, what about Fuss? He was the common denominator across Groce, Christian, and Saul staffs up until he left. I personally think in some aspects we took a small step back when he left.


I have actually been thinking about Ric, Stevie, Tommy and Dante Jackson was guys who I would actually have no problem seeing leading this program. People get hung up on experience and being "qualified." Saul was "qualified." Christian was very qualified and used us and abused us. I think it would be a cool risk to go with a guy like Rico or like you said, Fuss and get some OU guys on staff. Guys who understand what it means to love Ohio University. I don't think Saul got it. Groce was at least around the state. Dustin Ford was on his staff. We have to get that Bobcat love back!


Not sure how anyone can say Saul does NOT get what it means to love OHIO University. Saul is a great member of the community and ambassador of the University. Any failures he has had is not because he does not love and value the experience of OHIO.


Let me rephrase: When Saul was hired one of his main things he made sure to glow about in his press conference was (paraphrasing) "Look around at this place. If I can't sell this place, I am not a great salesman. To get kids to go to North Dakota you have to sell them but this place, it sells itself." Apparently he has learned that it doesn't "sell itself" as his recruits show and he must not be able to "sell" it on those living room couches. Everyone on here agrees that we have slipped mostly from a talent perspective and I would go so far as to say we are the least athletic team in the MAC right now. I am certain that Saul enjoys Athens and that he has respect for Ohio University. I was not saying that he doesn't like the college or the town. I, as a person who glows when I tell people I went to OU and who goes back several times a year, just don't see that from him when he talks. He can wear all the green ties he wants and talk about lava cakes all day but in the end, tell me then what you see from him that shows he truly GETS OU? Tell me and then we can talk. Otherwise, some of you need to quit simply saying "you are stupid" or "That's the worst take ever." You're not Jim Rome. Offer some counterpoints or continue calling out to your mom to get you some meatloaf.


What does it mean to GET OU? It would help if you could define that. If that's part of why Saul failed, isn't important to define that so it can be added as a part of the next coaching search?

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 1:57:15 PM 
What does the group think of somebody like a Jon VanderWal at Marietta. It's D3, yes. But he's been successful in resurrecting a dead program and turned it into one of the power programs of it's division. High level recruiter (it's not easy getting great athletes to a small town in SE Ohio) and was National Coach of the Year in 2015. A winner in every sense of the word. Would that blue print of success translate to the D1 level?

https://pioneers.marietta.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=719


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 2:02:03 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
What does it mean to GET OU? It would help if you could define that. If that's part of why Saul failed, isn't important to define that so it can be added as a part of the next coaching search?


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Last Edited: 2/14/2019 2:07:22 PM by Ohio69


Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 2:46:31 PM 
what about ? ..
Charlie Ernst at Findlay:

record of 159-52 (.754)
Pair of Sweet 16 appearances,
five NCAA Division II National Tournament appearances,
one Great Midwest Athletic Conference (G-MAC) title,
our Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC) South Division championships and three GLIAC Tournament titles
.. not bad
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 3:10:19 PM 
I think Charlie Ernst is a lifer at Findlay. He's an alum, has been there a long time since being under Niekamp and just culturally a great fit there.


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   Posted: 2/14/2019 3:23:26 PM 
Who else would not feel terribly cozy hiring another small school guy and expecting it to turn out differently? My hunch is that we won't take that route again for fear of Saul 2.0. I'm not going to say I have any ideas who it will be, but my bet would be an up-and-coming assistant getting his first head coaching gig.
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   Posted: 2/14/2019 3:25:19 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
Who else would not feel terribly cozy hiring another small school guy and expecting it to turn out differently? My hunch is that we won't take that route again for fear of Saul 2.0. I'm not going to say I have any ideas who it will be, but my bet would be an up-and-coming assistant getting his first head coaching gig.


I don't think it would be anyone's first choice. But if they've decided to de-emphasize athletics in the budget, it's a cost-conscious way to find a steady, unspectacular coach who will stick around for a long time.

Essentially find another Saul Phillips at half the price. I think this administration running OU right now would find that attractive.

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 4:26:03 PM 
Ohio69 wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
What does it mean to GET OU? It would help if you could define that. If that's part of why Saul failed, isn't important to define that so it can be added as a part of the next coaching search?


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My favorite post of the year so far!! This is great. The Tao of Ohio and Athens is indeed elusive!

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 5:09:17 PM 
MariettaCatFanatic wrote:
What does the group think of somebody like a Jon VanderWal at Marietta. It's D3, yes. But he's been successful in resurrecting a dead program and turned it into one of the power programs of it's division. High level recruiter (it's not easy getting great athletes to a small town in SE Ohio) and was National Coach of the Year in 2015. A winner in every sense of the word. Would that blue print of success translate to the D1 level?

https://pioneers.marietta.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=719


That's what we did when we hired Larry from Wittenberg.

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SBH wrote:
OMG. At least Dad could get free tix.



Not sure how this got by me but this is the funniest thing I've read this week.

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 7:19:53 PM 
Geno should be the guy with Freeman as assistant. I would take my chances given we would have Ohio and Indiana covered.

That said, Jimmy Boy probably aliened both by now so they may not be interested.

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 9:08:14 PM 
Jim Christian will probably be available in March.

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 9:45:35 PM 
100%Cat wrote:
Who else would not feel terribly cozy hiring another small school guy and expecting it to turn out differently? My hunch is that we won't take that route again for fear of Saul 2.0. I'm not going to say I have any ideas who it will be, but my bet would be an up-and-coming assistant getting his first head coaching gig.


For heavens sake, I think I'm gonna pull what hair I have left out of my head the next time I hear someone say Coach Phillips came from a small college. North Dakota State....Div I, from the Summit Conference that some years (not this year) is as good or nearly as good as the MAC. Please quit insinuating or coming right out and saying North Dakota State is a "small college". And he made two NCAA tournaments and won a game.

As for Coach Vanderwal at Marietta....he is an excellent coach and has done a remarkable job of building a Div III powerhouse at Marietta. I have no clue whether he's interested in a Div I job or whether he's been contacted by any Div I programs. But I think he would be worth Div I consideration IF he believes he could make the recruiting transition.

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   Posted: 2/14/2019 11:50:57 PM 

Jeff McKinney wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Who else would not feel terribly cozy hiring another small school guy and expecting it to turn out differently? My hunch is that we won't take that route again for fear of Saul 2.0. I'm not going to say I have any ideas who it will be, but my bet would be an up-and-coming assistant getting his first head coaching gig.


For heavens sake, I think I'm gonna pull what hair I have left out of my head the next time I hear someone say Coach Phillips came from a small college. North Dakota State....Div I, from the Summit Conference that some years (not this year) is as good or nearly as good as the MAC. Please quit insinuating or coming right out and saying North Dakota State is a "small college". And he made two NCAA tournaments and won a game.

As for Coach Vanderwal at Marietta....he is an excellent coach and has done a remarkable job of building a Div III powerhouse at Marietta. I have no clue whether he's interested in a Div I job or whether he's been contacted by any Div I programs. But I think he would be worth Div I consideration IF he believes he could make the recruiting transition.

 

While NDSU is not a small school, the MAC is almost always better and sometimes significantly so. I think this contributed to Saul's problems at Ohio. His rationale when he got there was that my NDSU beat the MAC champs (WMU) so all I have to do is create a good Summit League team to win the MAC. He never targeted the players or had the staff to recruit the players necessary to win the MAC.

Below are KenPom's rankings of the MAC and Summit going back to his first year (2002).

  MAC Summit
2019 9 24
2018 13 14
2017 13 16
2016 12 15
2015 11 22
2014 14 15
2013 15 23
2012 14 18
2011 19 17
2010 16 24
2009 19 17
2008 12 18
2007 13 16
2006 13 26
2005 10 19
2004 15 18
2003 14 24
2002 12 19


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You may have a good point there but the gap between the two leagues isnt dramatic, especially over the past decade.
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God no to Geno Ford.
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   Posted: 2/15/2019 2:21:40 AM 
It is... do the math. If NDSU was OU/MAC level he would have been able to go P5 from NDSU... and the P5's didn't beat his door down or even know he had a door.

We were his P5 launching pad... oops, for us. I wanted him to succeed, coaching searches suck, unfortunately he didn't. Coaching searches after a dud suck even more.

Not excited about the AD and President going forward. I'd appreciate more discussion of this reality here and less of the Saul is great, injuries... crap. He and his agent played to win the MAC (highest salary) and didn't deliver. He gets the money and we move on.

Why is this so hard to move on from?

And the hate to those of us that don't live close enough to be at the games and hob nob with the coaches is ridiculous. You don't get an extra merit badge... you are no more Bobcat than any other grad that might think the basketball program isn't in a good place, considering the monetary investment in the current staff, new president, sort of competent AD and now it's time to find a new guy.

I've been to one game since I graduated and it was at FGCU... down 25 at the half. If you're not athletic enough to hang with a post Dunk City Eagles team... and by hang, I'm mean compete in the ASUN a conference usually in the bottom five of D1 hoops conferences you have a problem.

I'll never criticize a college player, but how many of these guys would be here under previous coaches? Still, I hope they all get their degrees and kick ass beyond basketball.


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